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maybe they're using their chins or noses to press the buttons to release the rockets from airplanes and drones. jbg never misses an opportunity to blame over 1 billion people and to receive sympathy for his tribe. muslims bad = justification for israel's atrocities towards the palestinians

lols. is dogongrandmufti denying that israel has nukes? time to get the inspectors into the nuke sites and sanction israel if they don't cooperate.

Research unearths Jewish roots in Colorado Indians A population of Native American Indians from the US state of Colorado has been found to have a genetic mutation typical of Ashkenazi Jews. The finding suggests the presence of common roots that date back to the days of Christopher Columbus. link according to the article the natives in colorado have the same genetic mutation as ashkenazi jews. connection is connection. time for settlements to begin.

i'm sure there will be once they're able to enter and begin an investigation. kind of like how goldstone and his team entered gaza after the ceasefire. i have a question for you, jbg. how come the western countries' governments, including canada and the u.s. did not react to the killing of civilians (over 1000) which included over 300 children, when israel attacked gaza? why weren't the israeli diplomats removed? why weren't there any sanctions against israel?

in case you missed it, syria is all over the news. in case you missed it, there are major sanctions on syria. there are also international condemnation (except for the few countries) of syria. human rights organizations, like amnesty and HRW have all reported extensively on syria.

a lot of people re-mortgage their homes to borrow money against the principal of the property that has increased in value over time. especially when interest rates are so low. i did the same thing with my house and was able to invest what i borrowed in purchasing a home, renovating it and flipping it. of course, it was a bit risky, but i managed to make pretty good money from it.

mulcair can't run a country because he has put his house on mortgage several times? by reversing this, can it be argued that paying $25 billion for overpriced jets that don't work while doing cuts in arts is the same as harper buying himself a prototype ferrari that isn't able to be driven and cancelling his kids' art classes?

how are the settlements preventing attacks? not sure how you see the settlements as security for israel. here is the map of west bank with the jewish settlements in red. the settlements are scattered all over the place well inside the border. it's not like they're acting like buffers to attacks.

first of all, kudos to you and your patient approach to responding to them, however, i don't think you will get anywhere with dogonporch. this is why he's been put on ignore. it's impossible to get into a discussion with someone who has a narrow view of the situation and who is not here to discuss issues, but is only here to drive home a narrative. second, i wanted to share some information into the discussion: at the moment, there are 3 official government parties involved in this: likud's official platform, in regards to a palestinian state, as it stands right now is this: Self-Rule The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs. in words, bibi has said that he agrees with a 2 state solution, but officially, in action and on the ground, it's a totally different story. israeli government sponsored illegal jewish settlements on palestinian land in the west bank and in east jerusalem are growing at an extremely fast pace. bibi, more than his predecessors, has avoided taking any steps in the creation of a palestinian state. in fact, all of their moves so far has been the opposite. fact remains that israel has never officially and legally agreed to a palestinian state. for the past few decades, it's been more land grabs, more settlements, more dragging of their feet and it seems like they're always moving the line on the sand. the only so-called progress we've seen from israel has been the removal of the 7000 gaza settlers, but, who were then moved to illegal west bank settlements. it has also been argued that barak, under immense pressure from clinton unofficially, offered arafat a plan where 90% of the land from 1967 green line would be given to the palestinians. however, what gets lost in the constant propaganda about the offer is that what was offered included jewish colonies with jewish only roads, splitting palestinian areas. there was also east jerusalem that barak wouldn't agree to give back. another big issue is the right of return of the palestinians or some kind of compensation for expelling them. this is a big issue. also, the use of water on the palestinian territory, which barak still wanted control over. Fatah/PLO: officially recognized the state of israel in 1988. to reconfirm this, arafat sent a letter to rabin and the israelis, re-stating the palestinians' recognition of israel. The signing of the Declaration of Principles marks a new era in the history of the Middle East. In firm conviction thereof, I would like to confirm the following PLO commitments: The PLO recognizes the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security. The PLO accepts United Nations Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338. the acceptance of the state of israel had been announced to be the main reason for the lack of peace between the two states. however, despite this unpopular move by arafat, israel continued to drag its feet. the settlements and land theft continued to increase even during rabin's time in power and accelerated under the prime minister's who followed him. hamas was formed in 1987 as a resistant movement because of people's discontent with any progress and the PLO's corruption. their charter officially states that they do not recognize the state of israel (basically the same view as likud in regards to a palestinian state). though, hamas' charter is more melodramatic and in some cases archaic. like this quotation from the hadith: The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. Neither a single Arab country nor all Arab countries, neither any king or president, nor all the kings and presidents, neither any organization nor all of them, be they Palestinian or Arab, possess the right to do that. Palestine is an Islamic Waqf land consecrated for Moslem generations until Judgement Day. This being so, who could claim to have the right to represent Moslem generations till Judgement Day? This is the law governing the land of Palestine in the Islamic Sharia (law) and the same goes for any land the Moslems have conquered by force, because during the times of (Islamic) conquests, the Moslems consecrated these lands to Moslem generations till the Day of Judgement. that shit is not going to receive any acceptance or support from the west. one huge problem with hamas, since it became an official part of the government, is that it hasn't changed its old charter. this has worked in favour of the zionist propaganda machine in trying to justify its own lack of progress in negotiations. however, it should be noted that hamas leaders have repeatedly announced the acceptance of the 1967 border and their willingness to do negotiations based on that.

thousands killed, the expulsion of 600,000 and over 500 villages destroyed is not a biased opinion. they are historical facts which have been well-documented. they are something that you refuse to discuss. you will now join dogonporch on the ignore list because you simply cannot have a debate or discuss any topic that criticizes israel. every single one of your replies have become accusation of anti-semitism.

lols you're like a robot who can't digest criticism of israel and the truth. i mention thousands of palestinians killed, the expulsion of 600k people and the destroying of 500+ villages and you respond with another holocaust comment. it's over buddy. you're a dying breed. the holocaust has been milked enough. israel's actions towards the palestinians has nothing to do with the holocaust. the injustices committed by israel towards the palestinians has gone long enough and people are distancing themselves from the zionist ideology. including the jews who are living outside israel, who no longer can stomach israel's actions.

things you brag about in an election year: According to the U.S. official, the Israeli government was the first to be updated by them on what happened in Baghdad after the talks were over. "We updated the Israelis in detail before we updated our own government," the official said. link

everything you said after is a lie. you really suck at being honest.

double post.

thousands of palestinians killed, the expulsion of 600,000 people and over 500 villages depopulated and destroyed. nothing to see here folks.

nothing to see here folks.

and more of the same tactic used by jewish settlers: An Israeli settler shot and wounded a Palestinian man on Saturday in a clash that began when a group of settlers set fire to fields belonging to a Palestinian village in the occupied West Bank, officials said. Residents said about 25 settlers, some of them carrying guns, set fire to wheat fields in the village of Orif, which is near the northern West Bank city of Nablus. Some villagers came out to extinguish the fire and clashed with the settlers, said Nablus official Kassan Daglas. Israeli soldiers then came to the scene and broke up the clashes. The Palestinian was shot in the stomach, medical officials said, and taken to the hospital.

what is the 2 dimensional thinking you're talking about? not to say that this is a 50/50 situation, but i don't think there is 1 person on this forum who tries to justify or excuse terrorist attacks done by palestinian groups. so there is no disagreement on that. however, many here try to excuse, justify and whitewash well-documented atrocities that have been committed by jewish and israeli forces. for example, the actions committed when around 700,000 palestinians were systematically expelled from their land. the thousands who were killed and the over 500 palestinian villages depopulated and destroyed. this is pretty heavy stuff that never make it into the narrative of the israeli apologists and when there is any mention of them, we have the typical cries of anti-semitism.

if you had paid attention to the direction the thread had went, you would have a hard time agreeing with DogOnGrandMufti. many started talking about terrorist attacks including attacks by palestinians. so i sobered them up with some reality about the origins of terrorist attacks in the middle east and palestine.

you know, i really enjoy debates, but all you do now when discussing israel is to release more hot air. look through your posts about israel. your unconditional support and the inability to criticize israel and your auto response button devoids you of being able to talk about the facts and the issues.

hot air again, mr. signals.cpl you can keep repeating it, but without actually pointing out to racist comments and showing how it is racist, again, it's just hot air. where do you fit in? check these out: The Israeli-Jewish Collective Memory of the Israeli-Arab/Palestinian Conflict 8.What was the reasons for the departure of Palestinians refugees during the War of Independence? The refugees left due to fear and calls of leaders to leave – 40.8% The refugees left due to fear, calls of leaders and expulsion by the Jews – 39.2% The refugees were expelled by the Jews – 8% Do not know – 12% moreon this: In 2009, Nets and Daniel Bar-Tal, a faculty member at the School of Education at Tel Aviv University, published a representative public opinion survey they had conducted which found that 47 percent of Israeli Jews surveyed believed expulsion by Israel was among the factors leading to the exodus. Only 41 percent accepted the Zionist narrative. The survey was supported by a grant to Nets from the IPRA Foundation. Now, through the analysis of all the memoirs of 1948 war veterans, newspaper articles, publications of non-governmental organizations, and scholarly studies, Nets finds that the balanced narrative has in fact been widely endorsed by Israeli-Jewish societal institutions since the late 1970s (and especially since the late 1980s). In addition, since 2000, all history textbooks approved by Israel’s Ministry of Education have also included the balanced narrative. Palestinians have long called for Israelis to acknowledge the expulsions of 1948. The recent findings indicate that such acknowledgement has taken place widely for several decades. “Typically, societies involved in an intractable conflict like the Israeli-Arab/Palestinian conflict adopt a significantly biased, unrealistic and self-serving view of the history of the conflict,” says Nets. “The Zionist narrative of the 1948 exodus is such an example. That Israeli-Jewish society has largely adopted a less biased narrative suggests it has transformed to become more critical, open and self-reflective – a change all the more noteworthy because it has occurred in the midst of an ongoing conflict.” i wonder what percentage of the world still believes that the world is flat.

ooh. looky. i post facts; ie, jewish terrorist attack at king david hotel that killed over 90 people and the well-documented of ethnic cleansing of palestinians (24 documented massacres and over 500 demolished villages by israeli/jewish forces) and what's the response? an automatic racism card. you guys are all weak. not one attempt to try to respond to the documented evidence. get back to the bleachers until you're able to face and respond to the facts.

targeting and killing civilians is nothing new in the middle east. we all know bombing attacks in the middle east originated with jewish terrorist groups: The King David Hotel bombing was an attack carried out by the militant right-wing Zionist underground organization Irgun on the wing housing the British Miltary headquarters of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem on 22 July 1946. 91 people of various nationalities were killed and 46 were injured then there are the numerous massacrescommitted by israeli/zionist forces in 1948 when the ethnic cleansing officially began. according to benny morris, 24 massacres against palestinians happened during the war. Aryeh Yizthaki attests 10 major massacres with more than 50 victims each Saleh Abdel Jawad has listed 68 villages where acts of indiscriminate killing of prisoners, and civilians, where no threat was posed to Israeli soldiers, took place what boggles my mind is the mass ethnic cleansing of the indigenous palestinian population by persecuted jews, newly arrived from their own experience of being ethnically cleansed. it's so fucked up. it's like directly shitting on the slogan: "never forget".

reality: Reports vary but between 14 and 15 people have been killed in a double air strike on the southern city of Jaar. Of these, as many as a dozen are being reported as civilians. Up to 21 civilians have also been reported injured. Earlier this year the Bureau exposed a CIA practice of ‘follow-up’ strikes in an investigation with the Sunday Times. On at least a dozen occasions twin strikes killed at least 50 civilians. This is the highest number of civilians killed in a strike in Yemen attributed to the US since 30 died on 14 July 2011 in a strike on a Mudiya police station. link worth it?

latest development: The head of the UN nuclear agency, Yukiya Amano, has said an agreement would be signed "quite soon" with Iran to allow an investigation into claims it had tried to develop nuclear weapons. link this is right before the baghdad meetings between iran and the 5+1 nations.