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You should familiarize yourself with AIPAC so you won't make such foolish comments.

The cut is yearly. The proposed funding is over 5 years. Do your calculations again. Not to mention:

There is no pretending. If you think they are anti-Israel, tell me how they are. Specifics? Let's pretend that you care about the specifics: http://www.mossawacenter.org/default.php?lng=3&dp=2&fl=31&pg=2

An interesting point you have brought up. Lets look at this situation: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8576282.stm

He is not trying to blame America. He is trying to blame Obama because Shady is stuck in his Republican vs Democrat world. Shady is simply taking a que from the puppet masters of the American political circus.

How is the human rights group anti-Israeli?

Thank you Mr. Racist.

The Israeli government passed at least 21 bills aimed at discriminating against the country's Arab citizens making the current Knesset as being the most racist Israeli parliament since the country's founding, according to a report released Sunday by civil rights groups. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1157857.html Zionism is racism.

"The Quartet urges the government of Israel to freeze all settlement activity, including natural growth, dismantle outposts erected since March 2001 and to refrain from demolitions and evictions in East Jerusalem," Mr Ban said. "Recalling that the annexation of East Jerusalem is not recognised by the international community, the Quartet underscores that the status of Jerusalem is a permanent status issue that must be resolved through negotiations between the parties, and condemns the decision by the government of Israel to advance planning for new housing units in East Jerusalem." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8575723.stm The painful concession awaits.

You want to play this dishonest game of making ridiculous comparisons, suit yourself. I don't want any part of it.

Now you're comparing Danzig to the occupied Arab territories? No need to reach so far. Just say that you believe Israel is above international law, instead of these ridiculous comparisons.

I never said we should change our minds. Israel is a state and it's recognized under International law. The annexation of land that doesn't belong to them, however, is not. Your previous speech about shrugging Israel's behaviour because you think Israel's establishment mirrors countries from over a century ago is incorrect and does not mesh well with reality. The Arab countries' behaviour does not give permission to Israel to break international law. The land seized during the war does not belong to Israel. This is a simple fact that you have to, one day, accept.

The Arab league never had a say. Most of the neighbouring countries (their leaders) have come around to accepting Israel, mostly through negotiations and benefits sent to them by the U.S. The ball has always been in Israel's court. The present situation is a perfect example of what Israel has been doing for the past few decades. Say one thing but do another.

True. He needs the backing of the ultra rightwing to stay in power. Making Biden, a self-proclaimed zionist, look like an insignificant ass was worth the message he wants to send to the coalition. It's quite possible that he will stop (freeze) the settlements and blame it on the Obama administration and then call following international law, a "painful concession".

They continue to spit in the face of U.S., the international community and in the face of peace. However, this time they've chosen to make it as blatant as possible. The obama administration has no choice but to try to save face now. We'll see how powerful the Israeli lobby is in shutting up the U.S. administration's rare vocal opposition on Israel's actions. I find Bibi's actions quite arrogant. He's either stupid or he has faith in the power of the Israeli lobby. We have reached an interesting collision course.

The establishment is still questionable mostly because of what has taken place since it was established. Israel was created under international law, which Israel is a signatory to, yet, since then, Israel continues to break international law while trying to expand its territory. If Israel had genuinely accepted the territory that was allocated to it, the conflict would have died down a while ago.

I haven't had a chance to read all the pages yet, but I have to say, it's nice to see American Woman's posts and her honesty on the first page. At the same time, it's dissapointing to see Gosthacked's comments about Israel's right to exist. My opinion is that it's fine to criticize the way Israel came to be, which I do, but to say that it doesn't have a right to exist is simply wrong.

Could you cite a source?

Apparently NASA is also behind this conspiracy. According to them, the last decade was the hottest decade on record and 2009 was one of the warmest years. http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2010/jan/HQ_10-017_Warmest_temps.html

It's not just me that disagrees with what you're saying, but also international law, which Israel is a signatory to disagrees with the point you're trying to make. If Hamas commits a war crime and launches rockets, it doesn't mean that Israel has Carte blanche to break international law. Same goes with Hamas. If Israel, assassinates Palestinians and makes life hell for the Gazans and creates world's largest open air prison where even the necessities are barely getting to the people of Gaza, it doesn't mean that it's okay for Hamas to launch rockets into Israel. Or maybe they were pointing out that Israel was interested in collective punishment by destroying whatever they wanted, instead of fighting terrorists. I've repeatedly condemned Hamas' actions which has killed only 3 civilians during Israel's attack on Gaza. No one is excusing Hamas' actions, but you keep trying to excuse Israel's, which has left over 300 children killed. Who said they didn't want to be associated with them? First you complain that no input was taken from the Israelis, then you acknowledge that it was Israel who did not want to give any input? What's wrong with you? You keep bringing up the initial mandate like it matters. Goldstone refused to do this mission unless the mandate was changed. You keep repeating points that are moot, like this one and the one before. You mean it wasn't perfect? What kind of cooperation did Goldstone receive from Israel? Chinkin also condemned Hamas in the same letter. Okay. Moot point #3? Israel has not used deserted schools or mosques to launch attacks? They have used Palestinian civilians as human shields, not only during the latest Gaza attack, but also in the past. I don't care for Hamas, but you're sitting there bringing up something that doesn't even prove any point. Hamas uses a deserted school to launch rockets? What do you say to Israel's using of civilians as human shield? No. Even if it is true, it's not okay for Hamas to do this. Here is some reading, which shows the failure of the IDF to investigate criminal acts by its own soldiers. This report was done by an Israeli organization. I know it's useless to give you this reading, because you're not interested in facts. You're interested in babbling and giving your unconditional support for your tribe. Stormtrooper not okay? Useful idiot okay? Israeli children were not killed. Tell me when you're ready to talk about the 300+ Palestinian children who were killed. How do you know what the report is about when you haven't even read it. Pretty much every comment you've made about the report has been wrong. The reason is because you haven't even looked at it. Why do you want to have a debate about something that you have no clue about? She also condemned Hamas. It did get some Israeli side of things, but you keep forgetting the point that Israel 'refused' to share its side. They had ample opportunity to share their thoughts and they refused. According to the Red Cross you're wrong. Red Cross' credibility is a little stronger than IDF. Especially when IDF is investigating its own actions. Read the report. There is some good reading about leaflets and 'calls'. I am bored of discussing this topic with you. The least you can do is read the report before talking about it. You're really trying hard. Read the report. Many of casualties, as demonstrated by the report and by several human rights organizations were not accidents. Many were found to have been indiscriminate and some killings of civilians were found to have been done purposely. Didn't they say the regime should be wiped off the map? New York Times Our dear Imam said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. Israel has said that 'all options are on the table' when dealing with Iran. Meaning that a nuclear attack on Iran is an option. Isn't that a little threatening? Iraq attacked Iran and started the war. I'm not sure why you're bothering with this. You know, Hamas uses the same excuse as Israel. They say they're fighting for the Palestinians when they launch these rockets. So if Iran gets out of the NPT, it's okay for them to have nuclear weapons? So? It's in Likud's charter to never allow a Palestinian state to be created. You still have to engage in talks. Hamas has said they're willing to talk numerous times. They've even said that they're willing to accept the internationally recognized 1967 border. If Israel was interested in a just peace, they'd negotiate. Instead, they're trying to force the Palestinians into submission with their military. Something that hasn't worked in decades. Even if you count the mortar attacks, the point still stands. Israel was the provocateur by killing the Hamas members in a tense time. They know that Hamas will retaliate. The ceasefire was still in effect when Israel killed the Hamas members. The rockets by Hamas started after Israel killed 6 of their members. Barak even said that he knew that the killing of Hamas may jeopardize the ceasefire. They engaged in kidnappings? Are you making things up again? Give me a break with your babbling. Like Hamas, with the limited resources they have, can find these homemade rocket launchers. You're trying to justify what has already been concluded to be war crimes and possible crimes against humanity. No one is excusing Hamas or other militant factions. They're wrong in many ways. This still does not excuse Israel's actions. Read up on international law some time.

"Whatever reason"? You know the reason. From the same NYT article: The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because the information was classified, said Defense Minister Ehud Barak approved the operation Tuesday. Defense officials said they knew the raid could jeopardize the cease-fire, but concluded that Gaza's Hamas rulers would have an interest in restoring the calm. Hamas fired the rockets after the IDF attacked them and killed 6 of their members. It's quite clear how the bloodbath was triggered and it's quite clear that Israel could have prevented it.

According to many, Israel's attack and killing of Hamas members was the trigger and the end to the truce. GAZA — Hamas militants pounded southern Israel with a barrage of rockets Wednesday, hours after Israeli soldiers killed six gunmen in new violence that threatened a five-month-old truce that has brought relief to both Gaza and southern Israel. The clashes began late Tuesday after Israeli forces burst into Gaza to destroy what the army said was a tunnel being dug near the border to kidnap Israeli troops. Despite the outbreak of violence, both the Israeli authorities and officials with Gaza's Hamas government said they wanted to restore the calm that has largely prevailed for five months. After the Israeli incursion, Hamas gunmen battled Israeli forces and Gaza residents reported hearing explosions, gunshots and helicopter fire. One Hamas fighter was killed, prompting a wave of mortar fire at nearby Israeli targets. An Israeli airstrike then killed five Hamas militants who the army said were preparing to fire mortar shells. Hamas responded with the rockets. A spokesman for Hamas, Fawzi Barhoum, said the rockets were in "response to Israel's massive breach of the truce." "The Israelis began this tension, and they must pay an expensive price," Barhoum said. "They cannot leave us drowning in blood while they sleep soundly in their beds." The Israeli military said 35 rockets were fired, including one that reached the coastal city of Ashkelon, about 15 kilometers, or 10 miles, north of Gaza - underscoring the militants' growing ability to strike deeper into Israel. The police said the rocket landed in an empty area and there were no reports of injuries or property damage. But the army said four soldiers were wounded, two moderately, in the border fighting. The violence was the worst since Israel and Hamas agreed to an Egyptian-mediated truce in June. NY Times

Prosecute them and then they later become Prime Ministers? Or prosecute them in the IDF kangaroo courts? You reek of double standard. We are not any better than the rest of the world. We're not the Chosen People.

It's about the numbers. It's obvious that the video was put out to give attention to the one-sided attack on Gaza. What better way than to use numbers. Numbers that you cannot dispute. The stormtroopers did not dispute any of the information in the video because the numbers are facts that are internationally recognized. Hamas is not receiving sympathy. It's the Palestinian civilians, including over 300 children who were killed by the Israeli military who are receiving sympathy. Maybe not from you, DogOnPorch, Dancer or American Woman, but from those who care for innocent civilians' lives being lost. The report and the conclusions of the fact finding mission were not based on just interviews. The least you can do is to read up on the methodology of the report. I've already taught Dancer about this, but I guess there are a lot of you around. The Goldstone report is based on witness testimony, medical evidence, video and photographic archives, satellite imagery, forensic analysis of weapons remnants and damage, and public hearings. The investigation and the report is not as simple as you think. Your article says the following: Israeli intelligence officials say that Hamas leaders are operating out of a bunker underneath Shifa Hospital–Gaza’s largest–while above, doctors are struggling to handle the flood of casualties from Israel’s ongoing military operation. “Shifa Hospital has long ago ceased to be just a hospital,” Israeli Public Security Minister and former intelligence chief Avi Dichter said on Monday. “It is somewhat of an open secret that Hamas commanders walk around the hospital, in some instances wearing doctor’s robes,” Dichter said. The allegations have not been independently confirmed by reporters on the ground–the Israeli military has banned foreign media from the Gaza Strip in what the Foreign Press Association has called an “unprecedented restriction of press freedom.” But WIDE ANGLE reached a doctor in Gaza who believes Hamas officials are hiding either in the basement or in a separate underground area underneath the hospital and said that they moved there recently because other locations have been destroyed by Israel. The doctor, who asked not to be named, added that he believes Hamas is aware that they are putting civilians in harm’s way. That is your evidence against the Goldstone Report? Get real. Did you read the article? The article was written before the Goldstone report was put out. You are wasting time with your weak debating skills. Keyword: Initial. Was Goldstone willing to accept the mandate under the initial mandate? No. So whatever point you are trying to make is moot. I don't have the time you seem to have to type. There is just too many half-truths, misinformation and myths to reply to. For example, you keep going on and on about 'kidnappings', like there aren't thousands of Palestinians sitting in Israeli prisons after being abducted by the IDF? Ones who have either received no hearings or have received the typical Israeli military kangaroo court hearings. This is a perfect example of you turning a blind eye what Israel does and applying the typical double standards that stormtroopers like to flood the world with. The report has come to the conclusion that Israel specifically targeted civilians. The report that you haven't read. So because they didn't kill more people, they didn't really mean to kill close to 1000 civilians in a few weeks? Right. Thanks for applying your logic. When did I claim this? I said Israel is most likely to use nukes against another nation as they have broken many international laws and have attacked many of their neighbours. As far as I know, Iran was attacked by Iraq. Unless you have a different version of history, please share. Israel has done the following: - Attacked its neighbours - Not allow inspectors into their nuclear facilities despite their calls to do so - Defied the UN over human rights and international law in general I think Iran's government is despicable. I also find the Israeli government to be despicable. One treats its own citizens like crap, the other treats those that it is occupying like crap. Only 1 has a history of aggressive military behaviour against its neighbours. Only one has been repeatedly breaking international law across its borders. So any logical person can conclude that there is a better chance that Israel would use its nukes to attack another country. I would engage in talks if there is a conflict. Here is some interesting information. List of rocket attacks on Israel, in 2008: Jan / Feb / Mar / Apr / May /June /Jul / Aug / Sept/ Oct / Nov / Dec 136 / 228 / 103 / 373 / 206 / 158 /004 / 008 / 001 / 001 / 125 / 361 Here is a chart showing the numbers. It's a little strange that Israel decided to attack Gaza even though Hamas had agreed to a ceasefire and had stopped launching rockets for 4 months (the few that were fired were by small militant groups) when suddenly Israel unleashed and started the carnage. What's your excuse for this?

This man's psychopathic behaviour, if they're true, has nothing to do with the military or the government. However, if any of his acts in the past were covered up due to his rank and position, then we have a problem.