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You dodged my pretty honest question there: WHAT BENEFITS DO WE HAVE BY HAVING THIS RELATIONSHIP WITH ISRAEL? what better option do we have? Any as far as i'm concerned: here's a 2 dollar solution: cut off all aid, cut off all ties, apply the nuclear weapons bans treaties (remove nuclear and chemical stockpiles), hold Israel to the same standards of conduct as any other nation, and then go about ending the sex slave trade there... then leave them to their own devices... and stay out of the middle east... we should only be meant to purchase oil form that region... we shouldnt be exchanging citizens or meddle in their affairs... just as they shouldn't meddle in ours. hows that?

Hobsian Choice ? what the hell are you on about? The genocidal nature of the nazi's? How does 6 million compare to 7 to 10 in PEACE time for the communist BEFORE the war during the Ukraine Holodomor? I mean if genocide and democide was REALLY what we wanted to oppose, again the question remains: WHY PICK ON THE GERMANS... Is it because the German's persecuted the kinsman of Mayer Amschel Rotschield, Bernard Baruch, Colonel House, Roosevelt the half jew? The Warburgs, Oppenheim's, Speyers that financed the war? Communism destroyed 119 million lives after 1945 in its blood-soaked reign, WITHOUT massive war mind you... if you can honestly look at that AND the comparatively horrible living conditions of communist occupied countries and still pick the commie side... then you've simply lost your humanity and should stop your phony posturing and feigned concern about "genocide and human toll"... because your hypocrisy stinks

Government printing of money and deficit borrowing was a huge factor in the credit sector debacle, Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac for all practical purposes created the subprime catastrophe with its reckless loaning policies coming from the Clinton administration drastically increasing financing for low-income areas or moderate-income regions with high minority populations with $2.25 billion lines of credit available each 4 years with the U.S. Treasury. These special pipelines gave the institutions an implied federal guarantee available to no other private sector competitors in the mortgage market... how's that for government intervention? its insane that you didnt pick up on this.

what? a moment ago I heard you railing about the vast squander and loss of wealth resulting form america's presence in Afghanistan and Iraq! How does America benefit from its current ties with israel... They lose 30 billion a year in aid, break the geneva convention by supporting this mediocrity of a state, made the whole region dangerous by giving Israel stockpiles of high yeild 1 to 35 kiloton ICBM's, enormous stockpiles of the internationally banned VX gas, Sarin, Anthrx and numerous other chemical and biological weapons, they incur the hatred of the billion strong muslim world... and in turn Israel has the largest sex slave operation in the world (with tens of thousands of Ukrainian, Russian and Western European girls being subject to unspeakable rape and humiliation by jews)- and nothing is done in Israel because... guess what .. GOYIM ARE NOT CONSIDERED HUMAN AND HENCE aren't afforded protection under law. And then you factor treasonous incidents such as the cowardly attack of the USS liberty in an attempt to sink it and bring america into a war against egypt and the rest of the middle east and levant states, so tell me, what possible benefits are they getting from this relationship?

In countries that take racial stats and polls (Britain for instance) It is consistently reported that between 40 to 60% of muslims want shariah law in Britain... remeber what I said about being intractable and unassimilable? Out of students (that's right, young, mtv generation so called "naturalized" immigrants) 40 percent of Muslim students in the United Kingdom support the introduction of Sharia law and 33% support the imposition of an Islamic Sharia-based government worldwide, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html How's that for the peaceable, non intrusive muslim image, dressed in western clothes and smiling politely... still think its genuine? and even where the muslims themsleves live: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/02/international-poll-muslims-support-strict-sharia-islamic-supremacism.html still MORE sharia is in demand. What's more is that the PC media (with typical hypocrisy) didn't even raise a big stink about the potential danger of having these people over for other canadian minorities our sacrosanct gay's for instance... http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality

The only reason id because Western Civilization had been for 500 years steadily repudiating most of the dreary tales of the bible. Through western science, we became aware that the gap between the ugly nonsense of the bible and observable reality had become too great. We in the West were close to finally laying waste to this inherently alien religion of Christianity, but the recent advent of international communism combined with the progressive defacement of our civilization and especially: our schools, has made a basket case out a huge portion of Westerners, and every sort of cult and insane fundamentalist Christianity is increasing: Evangelicals, with their disturbing "speaking in tongues" who look like they have fits of epilepsy when in prayer for instance I quote a foreword from a 1985 extract of a revised edition of Evola's excellent "Civilta Americana" "Anyone today who considers American society is struck by the impression of a society gone mad, in which the germs of disintegration which Evola pointed to have multiplied and the disease has broken out visibly, defacing a social fabric which was already deteriorating. According to official statistics, more than one-fifth of the population of the United States has been involved with drugs. Organised delinquent hooliganism is still on the increase and has come to dominate large areas of some cities; every kind of sexual aberration is being advocated along with an unbridled sexual grossness; there is increasing violence and sadism in the cities, particularly among the young; pseudo- religious sects proliferate, dragging their disciples into a psychological slum world. These phenomena are only the most obviously disquieting symptoms of an accelerating decline towards total disintegration of the human personality... American society, in fact, is on an irreversible course of extinction." http://www.juliusevola.com/site/american_civilization.txt we are heading towards a new dark ages...

I'm surprised that you knew about the infamous USS liberty attack. The americans did nothing then, what do you think they'll do now? ... absolutely nothing of course... just keep wasting more funds on the gangster state of israel

Moseley's position vis a vis the war that destroyed the British Empire in hindsight was indeed preferable by comparative standards. It was Britain who for all practical purposes began that fratricidal and useless war. Under that loathsome degenerate Churchill (a war criminal in his own right). The preferable outcome would have been (as Churchill in his last days himself conceded) an alliance with European powers to stamp out the far worst Communist threat. You have only to look at the degradation and squalor of little Britain today, and ask yourself, What would Churchill say? about the 821 mosques, the abandonment of everything british, the vast void of nothing that british culture has become... What would other heros such as Montgomery say?

Don't know rockwell, Mosely was certainly a noble son of Europe, unfortunately he failed to save Britain... not much heroics there.

that wasn't what I said... "Shoah business", now that's new...

Hero`s hmmmm, none really, I suppose I could name Julius Evola and Yukio Mishima... People I respect greatly include: Oswald Spengler, Francis Parker Yockey, H. L. Mencken, Georges Sorel, Von Mises, Sobran, Lothrop Stoddard...

that was quite hilarious actually,

I think they should have appeared before the second world war... but okay... A continuation of Bush Jr.? How about a continuation of every administration since TEDDY Roosevelt Obama is only a bit more extreme the Bush in his obvious will to transform America into a socialist dungeon, with the dregs on top. ANd tea partiers are far more libertarian and hence critical of Republicans... not at all GOP fanatics.

which sheeple and hero would that be?

Apartheid is still going on in South Africa, except this time its white farmers who are being ethnically cleansed in ways so horrible as to be beyond our ability to describe them(so don't expect the mass media to complain and don't expect to see any boycotts or embargoes) lol what sweet irony it would be if Israel was turned into a howling desert of savagery and mayhem like South Africa. That would be the day! Of course then they'd be wailing about a second holocaust- and before you'd know it, we`d be paying "reparations".

what was stupid about Paul's statement again?

The McVeigh 9/11 analogy is a bit problematic... its fair to say that most people judge white nationalists in the states according to McVeigh (every time he is mentioned in the news, you don`t have to wait long before every anti-immigration, pro-gun ownership types are painted with the same brush). The second problem with your analogy is that McVeigh actually did what he did for reasons- that many liberals use in defense of muslims: he did it because he wanted to inflict to the US government what IT inflicts on others. Doesn't that echo what Jeremiah Wright (obizzle's best bud and mentor) said about "america's chickens coming home to roost" Asked by the judge if he had anything to say, McVeigh quoted from a 1928 dissenting opinion by Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis: "'Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or ill, it teaches the whole people by its example.' That's all I have." ... government teaches by example... interesting The problem with your beatific vision is that most muslims do not at all believe in peaceable solutions, theyre not so stupid in fact- If you read the Quran, many utterances and blood oaths to kill infidels are made. They are intractable and hostile when they live in our Western Nations, and the ones who aren't are merely appearing nice as a ploy to fool our own liberal shysters and fools- of course there are exceptions (which you conveniently focus on and take as the norm) The only rational sane and sober solution is SEPARATION AND NON-INTERVENTION: but with the Israel lobby and leftist NWO meddlers that dominate our governments... that's wont be likely. We will be plunged into another war for israel (Iran potentially) The global arena is a zero sum game: because as you even conceded: resources are limited... by sharing them they do not INCREASE... as should obvious to anyone with half a brain. You don't get more by cooperating- and states will pursue their interests in an anarchic world: which is based in relative gains vis a vis others. So here we are: Shabbas Goyim for the slaughter.

care to give one?... or "repeat" one... i remember no specific concrete example given by you to the effect that it is politically correct to oppose mass third world immigration... none whatsoever.

Where is the Denunciation? USA TOday, MSNBC, CNN, FOX, have regarded the recent arizona immigration law as "institutionalized racism" (a familiar PC concern) Again the entire mass media are on ONE side- the orthodox side that don't want to see immigration stopped because they believe in the mantra of diversity. And to judge by the fact that people are opposing simple APPLICATION of the border and immigration laws tells me that this is pretty "COMMON SENSE"... do you agree that protecting borders and registering or naturalizing foreigners to become LEGAL citizens is a common sense approach to the question of immigration? You're saying that the application of a countries own laws is nonsense? The lonely voice of opposition to mass floodstyle of ILLEGAL immigration, Lou Dobbs, was forced to resign as a result of his unorthodox position.. there is one kind of PC... i'm afraid its leftist... the onus is on you to find strong examples of the contrary i,m afraid.

“[W]hile homosexuals vehemently reject being considered mentally ill, they have no problems regarding those who dislike homosexuality as mentally ill.” “Opposition to some demands of homosexuals need not necessarily follow from the hatred of homosexuals. Likewise, someone may find homosexual behaviors disgusting but not oppose several demands of homosexuals out of a sense of justice or fairness.” http://www.homosexinfo.org/Homophobia/HomePage

So far as the evidence tells, the only legitimate efforts to curtail speech are consistently carried out by leftists alike: Political Correctness in the sense that you outlined is precisely a leftist dominated occupation. Hate Speech, the ADL, the anti defamation league, Human Rights Canada etc, these are all hard left wing institutions... "the more virulent anti-immigrant forces are easily as politically correct in their views and their rhetoric as are the pro-immigration forces." interesting, the anti-immigration crowd receives zero support from the media, is routinely denounced as "hate" by the PC media... and yet here you are saying that people who want immigration laws to be merely ENFORCED... they're the ones trying to "shut down the debate" and being "PC"... if you could show me through A and B how you arrived to that conclusion, I shall be very astonished.

Yeah they should just shut the **** up and appreciate that they are now living under a dictatorship and tyranny as absolute as any known on earth. B.O. has more power than Stalin ever had--more in fact, he has what amounts to the NKVD but with wire tapping, electronic surveillance and the mass media at his disposal. Obizzle's tyrannical powers, moreover, are entirely legal, as legality now goes in the country that american's parents and grandparents discarded in fits of egalitarian righteousness. Read up on executive order 11,490 and laugh. How dare these tea partiers go around talking as though they had a constitution or a fairy godmother!

Political Correctness is the prevailing orthodoxy of our society- it doesn`t vary as much as it gets more aggressive more brazen in its unappeasable hatred of the Civilization of the West and its creators, European Man and Woman. Centrist liberals? No the CHoice in Canada is between left wing Socialists in the Lib party, outright communists in the NDP, or center-left Conservatives. There IS no right wing presence in canada of any importance. Canadian and American conservatism is finished- it has failed in its mission to conserve what was left of Civilized Canada and America.

The right who are the Most Politically Correct? Oh sure, It doesn't get more PC, pro egalitarian, pro-thrid world immigration, anti-Western then Nick Griffin or La Destra in Italy... as long as we're spouting barefaced lies...

well, er, all of us.