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We're losing too many to IEDs and US troops. You can't lose "US troops". Clarification: We are losing soldiers to IEDs and we are losing soldiers to US 'friendly fire'. got it now? And ... I believe we did not assume a combat role in Afghanistan immediately. There is nothing unusual about our troops being there for reconstruction/peacekeeping, and no Canadians complain about that at all. It's the combat role that is unusual for us, disturbing, not our fight (some say), and not an honourable war.

look at the graph ... http://www.esnips.com/doc/629185b2-3bf1-40...ribution-Canada It does work ... each ultra rich person (over 1.2m income) gives 175,000. It is split up among of five people, an average of $35,000 each, to bring them up to $50,000 My goal is to narrow the HUGE gap between the top 10% and the rest of us, and to bring everyone up to 50,000. Or ... if you can't see the esnips file, This is how the distribution of income looks ... Average income - Canadian Top 10% of Canadians @ [$1,200,000] . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10% @ [410,000] . . . 10% @ [260,000] . . 10% @ [175,000] . 10% @ [110,000] . 10% @ [60,000] . Bottom 40% @ [25,000]or [5,000]or [0]or [-5000] A little from the top does a LOT at the bottom, and the top 10% are just way out there, and getting further ahead all the time! It isn't fair, and it could so easily be. And a healthier economy because people would be able to support themselves ... ie, consume.

guyser said ... I may not be rich by some peoples standard (the really rich I guess) but having a cottage thats valued way up there, and the taxes on that, and well there you are. And for that I get very little bordering on nothing for those taxes. No water sewer nor garbage pickup. Think about it ... even as an experiment perhaps ... Take $200,000 from everyone earning $1.2m/yr or more (on all income and assets), distribute it to bring everyone up to at least $50,000 ... poof! poverty gone! Taxes are not about fairness but about incentives ... HA! ... only if you are a human able to live in dignity without crime, or a rat ... but even rats play fair with the pellets available. (think about that) better idea ... I'm having another thought ... about criminals who don't pay tax ... better idea than taking it from the ultra rich we can identify ... an additional consumption tax for the ultra biggest spenders ... that would catch the legally ultra rich (if there are any) and the illegally ultra rich. Then distribute that to bring every household up to at least $50,000. And track what happens then ...

We were pressured/goaded into it, because Bush and a lot of 'Americans' had a hissy fit when we refused to deploy to Iraq. And hey ... didja hear? We're getting out ... of combat. We're losing too many to IEDs and US troops. Oh that charade! It was in the other order. We can schmooze our way out of combat anytime. We're being replaced as we speak I believe. The US is now sending over way more troops than we have there, or ever could. Our RESERVES are depleted, exhausted ... the last round up scraped up only 43 more to send over, and our regular forces are probably walking zombies by now, with multiple deployments to Af. We just don't have any more to send, and ours are in double danger from exhaustion, and are taking heavier casualties per capita than yours. Try to keep a perspective, eh?

Nor how the US throws its mighty weight around to create conflicts, enmeshes others, and then shits on their allies. It's your war, imo.

Well, I hope this works because it took some work! These are the casualty rates (from above) expressed in proportion to the populations of these countries http://www.prb.org/pdf08/08WPDS_Eng.pdf Deaths of soldiers per 5 million people SKorea.... Portugal.....Finland..... Hungary 0.2............1.0............1.0.............1.0 Sweden.... Italy......... Poland...... Czech....... Lithuania 1.2.............1.2..........1.2............1.5...........1.5 Germany.. Romania... France...... Latvia....... Australia 1.8.............2.2...........2.2...........2.2.............2.3 Spain....... Norway..... Netherlands.......US........Estonia 2.8.............3.2...............4.7..............11.2.......11.2 UK........Canada........Denmark 12.5.......17.7...............19.2 -edit- there! Now this is interesting data that you can actually draw some conclusions from. Of course the US has lost the most soldiers numerically, by a long shot, and proportionately they are still among the top 5 in losses. But with only 10 percent of the population of the US, Canada has lost proportionately more soldiers than the US. I think sometimes even our American friends forget the size of the population of the US compared to most of the rest of the world's countries.

Good topic ... Canadian mining firm financed violence in Ecuador But the purpose is the pipeline for oil from Iraq through Afghanistan/Pakistan. We're there doing penance for not going to Iraq. Still pissed?

I don't see "plummeting" I think you're trying to plant that idea before the news about the stock market rally hits the polling numbers. Pretty transparent political work. http://www.pollingreport.com/images/o1.GIF

Just wondering ... Would there have to be a 'war on terror' if the US/CIA did not aggressively invade other countries to install regimes subservient to American commerce? It's a very bothersome question to many Canadians I think. We're losing young men and women for a struggle created by the US through deceitful, illegal means, for its own selfish purposes, which have nothing to do with 'freedom' of the local people there, and everything to do with cheap oil for the American people and profits for the corporations/investors. That's my take ... and my question ...

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Chavez: Obama seems to lack knowledge on region The Associated Press Published: March 21, 2009 CARACAS, Venezuela: Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said President Barack Obama doesn't seem to know much about what's going on in Latin America. Chavez made the remark in clips of an interview with Al-Jazeera shown late Friday, also saying Brazil's president came away from his recent talks with Obama not entirely pleased. "What I read between the lines," Chavez said, is that "Obama has for now — and that can be overcome — a great lack of knowledge about what's really going on here" in Latin America. http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/03/21/...a-Chavez-US.php Chavez: Obama clueless about reality Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:16:55 GMT Chaves scorns Obama, saying he needs to 'read and study' more to understand realities. Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez says his US counterpart is clueless about the 'reality of Latin America', urging him to 'read and study'. Such ignorance," Chavez said adding that "the real obstacle has been the empire that he today presides over, which has exported terrorism for nearly 200 years, has launched atomic bombs on innocent cities, has bombarded, invaded and issued orders to kill whenever they have taken the notion." whoa!! Chavez really lays it on the line, eh? GO CHAVEZ!!! TRUTH TO POWER! Now let me think ... Columbia ... CIA? Oh ya ... it's coming back ... the border ... where Venuzuela(n oil) has been under seige by the US for ... how long? Death squads anyone? :angry: http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_28827.shtml "The CIA, in coordination with other [foreign] intelligence services operating in Venezuela, is preparing acts of destabilization, with a plan especially designed to be executed after the November 23 elections [2008], regardless of the election result". and a blast from the past ... 2002 Based on the newly released CIA briefs, an analyst said yesterday that it appeared that Cheney et al were lying yet again. "There is substantive evidence that the CIA not only knew in advance about the coup, but that they were the coup. And it is clear that this intelligence was distributed to dozens of members of the Bush administration, giving them affirmation that their request for a coup against Chavez was being carried out," said Peter Kornblow, a senior analyst at the National Security Archive in Washington. (god bless 'archives') "The CIA was simply doing what it is we do, murder and kill. Sometimes just a head shot will suffice and everybody can go home. In terms of analyzing events and providing policy-makers with our best estimate of whether a coup will succeed or not, we do that too and then present the executive with an estimate of charges, quid pro quos, for effecting the coup" said the spokeswoman, Clare Frankenwahl, who declined to be named. She added that alerting Chávez to the impending coup "would suggest we would meddle in the affairs of another nation even though we were funneling millions into his wealthy opponents through the USAID and others and all 'round tryin' to fuck Chavez up."

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oh just phuck right off a$$**** :angry: ! please ... eh? bc2004 ... anybody pointed out you are past your best before date? phewww! The comments on youtube are priceless! My personal fave ... Please, oh please good Canadian friends, you must believe that we are not all like this. Reply We believe you. Thanks for commenting. We have boxes and boxes of used hockey helmets if you want to mark the dumb ones for us. LMAO (again ... tff) Hey bc2004 ... I got a present for youuuuuuuu! My letter to Faux News: Look A**HOLES, we'll take on your grunts man-for-man and woman-for woman ANYTIME!!! Fox host apologizes for mocking of Canadian Forces ?? That's not an apology. That's a pathetic sorry excuse for a pathetic sorry excuse. It's quite ironic ... we have a few a**holes in Canada too. They tend to be gung-ho militant types. They're the ones who watch Fox. Maybe not any more! 11,000 12, 700 (and counting) have left you some messages here. Hmm ... that's over 11,000 (and counting) maybe lost viewers of Fox network. Let us know when you are ready to REALLY apologize. We are still waiting! From: A grandmother in Canada who would like to wring your f'ing American p*g f'ing ignorant necks and hang you all up at the border as an example of what happens to a**holes who dis Canada. Get a fucking manner, fucking A**HOLES!!!! Except I didn't censor it. We don't need no stinking apology that is just another stinking insult. Not good enough. I never saw Canadians this riled up about anything. Good thing for us is ... a lot of redneck Canadians will now forever spurn Faux News! Ya ... there's a silver lining. :angry:

In my 'new world order' no one will make less than $50,000. We'll take it off the top 10%, who won't even notice it's gone, and get rid of poverty entirely. It will also get us out of these economic difficulties. Think of all those consumers with new money to spend on necessities of life. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index....st&p=402548 I think wealth ('worth'?) needs to be distributed more equitably. Wealth distribution - Canada Just off the top of my head, if we take $200 thousand off the top group, take them down to $1m, then everyone can have at least $50 thousand. Poverty ... poof! Makes sense to me!

Uniforms ... unless the Israeli soldiers steal them ... "The accusation that Israeli forces wore the uniforms and symbols of Hamas's Iz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades during the ground invasion of Gaza has serious implications, not only where international law is concerned, but also with regard to the veracity of claims made by Israel about Hamas tactics and alleged abuses," said AMW chairman Sharif Hikmat Nashashibi. And Dog on Porch ... it's in vain that you try to blame reserves, when it's clear that the orders came from the commanding officers. "When we entered a house, we were supposed to bust down the door and start shooting inside and just go up storey by storey… I call that murder. Each storey, if we identify a person, we shoot them. I asked myself – how is this reasonable?" The same unnamed NCO said that his commanding officer ordered soldiers on to a rooftop to shoot an old woman crossing a main street during the fighting. "I don't know whether she was suspicious, not suspicious, I don't know her story,” the NCO said. “I do know that my officer sent people to the roof in order to take her out… It was cold-blooded murder."

-thread drift- ... but I just wanted to make you aware, Argus, that you are wrong: Julian Roberts, professor of Criminology at the University of Ottawa and author of Disproportionate Harm: Hate Crime in Canada, echoes this stance. This document, also for the Department of Justice, points out that Research in other countries such as the United States has clearly shown that gays and lesbians are a principal target for hate crimes. In addition, there are several reasons to believe that members of the gay community are less likely than any other victimized group to report incidents to the police. For this reason, police statistics are likely to seriously underestimate the extent of the threat to the gay community in Canada. Comparative studies of similar questionnaires from Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Vancouver, and Philadelphia were also cited. Results were startling. 20.6% of the respondents from Toronto had experienced violence such as being punched or beaten, 18% in Nova Scotia and 16% in New Brunswick. In Toronto, 25.8% of the respondents had objects thrown at them, 25% in Nova Scotia and 17% in New Brunswick. http://www.mun.ca/the/research/hatecrimes.html -resume thread topic-

What do you mean by "people like this" ? We have no information that he's in any way undesirable. No evidence of anything has been produced. All we know is that he has a family.

He says he'll be tortured if he goes back to Egypt. He wants an opportunity to face his accusers in court, find out what the "secret" evidence is that they are using to detain him. I think he has that right. It's ridiculous that he can be held this long without any evidence produced.

I concur ... He's looking for a way out perhaps because he's 'on the hot seat' in court ... EDITORIAL Mar 12, 2009 04:30 AM One has to question the spending of public money in support of OPP Commissioner Julian Fantino's repeated attempts to oust an adjudicator presiding over an embarrassing police disciplinary hearing. Fantino believes retired judge Leonard Montgomery is biased and wants him off the case. In pursuit of his removal, there have been three separate court proceedings before a total of seven judges since last November, with taxpayers footing the bulk of the bill. The issues raised both in the OPP disciplinary hearing and in Fantino's efforts to remove the adjudicator are quite entangled. But some of the legal tangles were straightened earlier this week when a three-member Divisional Court panel unanimously ruled that Montgomery should stay on the case. In fact, the judges found that removing him "would be inimical to the proper working of the justice system." In light of that clear verdict, one would expect the disciplinary hearing to proceed. But Fantino's lawyer, Tom Curry, declared that he will seek to appeal the Divisional Court's ruling. When the tribunal was halted in October, Fantino was in the middle of an intense cross-examination by lawyer Julian Falconer, who is acting for two OPP officers in this case. It would be understandable if the commissioner were in no hurry to go back to that hot seat. ... But the public would best be served by a timely adjudication of this disciplinary matter. To that end, Fantino should drop the appeal and allow Montgomery to get on with the job. http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/600650 So Fantino's going to try to stall again. It was clear in the reports from court that Fantino's real complaint is that the judge is not biased for him ... ie, won't let him cover up his lies. Fantino can stall ... but he can't hide!

A massive landfill near Cache Creek where Metro Vancouver has dumped nearly eight million tonnes of waste is leaching toxic pollutants into the surrounding environment, tainting local wells and raising health concerns about drinking water, according to a new study. Although the Cache Creek landfill was designed to contain leachate for 200 years or more, it is leaking heavy metals, hydrocarbons, phenols and an array of chemicals after only 20 years, said Michael Easton, president and CEO of International EcoGen Inc. "I was quite floored by it," said Dr. Easton, whose company investigated the site for the Nlaka'pamux Nation Tribal Council, with funding from Health Canada. "We were trying to establish baseline data. We hadn't thought we'd find anything like this." Built in an arid climatic zone, in a natural depression and sealed with a liner, the dump was supposed to be secure from leaks. But the researchers found traces of leachate almost everywhere they looked outside the dump site, including in the Bonaparte River, in a coyote's liver and in rainbow trout, as well as in groundwater. holy crap!

He's sending his wife instead ... and ... http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/politics/home OTTAWA — Supporters of federal Human Resources Minister Diane Finley are testing the waters for a possible run for the leadership of Ontario's Progressive Conservatives, raising a new prospect that family ties from the provincial race could make waves in Stephen Harper's Conservative Party in Ottawa. At the same time, Ontario Provincial Police Commissioner Julian Fantino has called some Ontario Tory organizers to see if he would have support if he ran, Conservative insiders say. Neither has yet mounted the kind of organized team that front-runner Tim Hudak has set in place to replace John Tory. But a bid by Ms. Finley, whose husband Doug Finley is Mr. Harper's powerful campaign manager, would add a new wrinkle to a provincial contest that holds the potential to create rifts among federal Tories. Internet Links * Globe Politics: Blogs, analysis, insider opinion and more The Globe and Mail Christine Elliott, the MPP for Whitby-Ajax and wife of Federal Finance Minister Jim Flaherty, is already lining up a campaign. Ms. Finley's entry would raise the prospect of federal Conservatives from Ontario squeezed between two power couples. "Talk about the battle of the spouses," said one organizer who had been contacted by supporters of Ms. Finley.

I'm with you there ... Hmm ... ignorant, mean, ugly comment ... and not borne out by the data ... Seems their lawyers are doing pretty well in court, if you've been keeping up. (or is this just another of your door-knobbish rants, Oleg?) Maybe you missed it, but Six Nations has been telling Brantford and Ontario for three years that they have to consult about development. Now the judge has ordered Brantford and Ontario to do exactly that. Not exactly square one ... Now Brantford and Ontario consult with Six Nations about how they can accommodate Six Nations Aboriginal Rights - A say in development and a share in revenues.

Yes ... of course there is.

'My family is broken,' dad says Sons better off if he's in jail By MICHELE MANDEL Last Updated: 19th March 2009, 2:37am Too often it is the sons who must bear the sins of their father. And so it was that when the excited young boys of Mohammad Mahjoub rushed home in July to play the new Wii game their parents had just bought them to celebrate their birthdays, they came face to face yet again with the caged life they lead with a dad under strict house arrest for being a suspected al-Qaida terrorist. While they were out, six armed Canadian Border Services Agency (CBSA) officers had stormed into their home and confiscated the kids' new Wii gaming system. Under their father's stringent bail conditions, Mahjoub is not allowed any device that can be connected to the Internet. It is only one small example of the oppressive life imposed on the boys, aged 11 and 9, since their father was released under stringent bail conditions in 2007: Followed to school as border police agents snap their pictures. Prevented from ever being alone with their dad. Humiliated at the local skating rink when agents cut short their approved outing and sends them home. Barred from venturing out again as a family for three months. And on and on. "They oppress the whole family and mainly the children," their mom says of the government agents monitoring their every move at an estimated cost of $1 million a year. "They commit child abuse; they psychologically and emotionally abuse the kids and the adults and tore the family apart." Unwilling to see their children become increasingly angry and depressed, they've come to the incredibly difficult conclusion that they will be better off if their father returns to prison. Yesterday Mona El-Fouli withdrew as her husband's bail supervisor and surety, and Federal Court Justice Simon Noel had little choice but to reluctantly order Mahjoub back into custody. ... It is this country's shame. Mahjoub is one of five Muslim foreigners facing deportation under controversial national security certificates that have identified them as threats to public safety through secret intelligence presented to a Federal Court judge. Held for years without trial, and only recently released on bail, none has been charged with any crime in Canada. And still they wait for their day in court, even as the Supreme Court of Canada ruled in 2007 that the security certificate process is unconstitutional. more...

I agree. Now it is only about protecting the status quo ... 'the growth imperative', and all systems are focused on making sure that doesn't change. Don't agree there. That's the old way. Pump up the old growth economy with munitions, kill off, mangle and destroy the minds of thousands of productive young men (with no jobs) ... balances out the economy, ya know! Screw that. That's the knee-jerk 'apocalypse' response of "the incapable" who are 'in charge', and don't have a friggen clue (or care) what to do with humankind (except to use them as fodder) - They only know how to make money, and will continue to drag us down that spiral to a glorious suicide ... or whatever you call it when the human race follows the money right off the cliff. Time for a new idea. Preferably one that we can get to from where we are. I'm warming to the idea of getting rid of money, and it's not such a big step, now that it all just exists on computers anyway, pretty much. I also think wealth ('worth'?) needs to be distributed more equitably. http://www.esnips.com/doc/629185b2-3bf1-40...ribution-Canada Just off the top of my head, if we take $200 thousand off the top group, take them down to $1m, then everyone can have at least $50 thousand. Poverty ... poof! Makes sense to me!