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It's a false debate. It will entirely depend on how multinationalism is handled. I think we've already had as much violence as Canadians want - FLQ 'crisis', Oka, Burnt church, Ipperwash, Caledonia. I think we will find better ways to reconcile the rights in the nation of nations that is Canada. Better ways than we are using now, though. And the first step is to tell the truth, not allow any nation(s) to be maligned and used as political pawns. I think the truth about the children who died in Canada's 'Indian' Residential Schools is long overdue.

Maybe it's a cultural gap ... you being a bushcheney an' all. You are saying this is the way it is ... now ... the company weasels out ... legally. ho hum And I'm saying we can never allow that business model to continue in the future, because it is clearly not a long term sustainable model for Canada, eh.

Ya ... failing to honour their contractual obligations. As I said, not a sustainable business model.

I like the idea of some high density housing in small communities, centred in the downtown for access to services and to populate the downtowns. Small town centres are caving in due to urban mall sprawl. I agree with those who said we have to provide convenient and affordable housing for the old and the young. I like the new slimmer towers, spreading out on the lower floors, and the concept of retail and services on the bottom floor(s), and cafes and a street presence too. I hate city blocks full of nothing but brick walls! But there are much better community centred higher density housing concepts out there now. I think you have to leave space between towers, make them narrow, and be very careful about blocking sunlight. http://books.google.ca/books?id=NFaFZf1n8F...Mzc3FZ4Z0454Ytk

And what about the pensioners? Look for a job at 75? The business model is not sustainable. They planned to go out of business and leave the pensioners high and dry. That's not a sustainable business model. They need to get smarter than that if they want to do business.

Do you really need both?

You can, however, say that the state is th e highest authority and all nations within the state must operate under the state authority. I think even the provinces would have difficulty with that statement, and certainly Quebec and some Indigenous Nations would too. I wouldn't go too heavy on the 'use force' part, anyway. It's not simply a matter for centralized 'decision' I don't think. It's a matter of the facts, and for consultation and negotiation and agreement among provinces, territories (eg Nunavut status?), Indigenous Nations (which pre-date Canadian citizenship) and the Quebecois Nation (as they have already been defined in law). Canada cannot unilaterally extinguish any existing Aboriginal Rights, including land rights and sovereignty too. It's clear that Canada is evolving as a multi-national nation of peoples ... because that's who we are. We just have to deal with it ... truthfully and honourably, I hope. Nunavut, for example, Official Language English, French, Inuktitut, and Inuinnaqtun But they hire and give government services only in English and French, neither of which is spoken by the majority of people. Now there's a challenge for Canada! But certainly, we cannot do this again ... cbc video (8 min) Stolen children http://www.cbc.ca/video/popup.html?http://...eyard080609.wmv

ya ... and he's not even as charismatic as the vacuum guy either.

none of your business, bushcheney?

This part is particularly interesting ... Where the land is harsh, there's virtually no division of labour. Human survival depends on bonds of kinship, and those bonds can easily degenerate into feelings of group superiority. Now what happens when tribes compete for superiority? You get a cycle of vendetta and countervendetta. In the end, warlords could be more legitimate than any democratically elected parliament - more legitimate because they're more authentic to the Afghan experience. No wonder a moderate president serially submits to thugs. No wonder military might has been a feeble backwater to the tide of history. No wonder I've got a sinking feeling that our troops can't adequately help the good people of Afghanistan. Soldiers can restore stability, but when stability means cyclical violence, I'm at a loss for what it means to win. .. Irshad Manji is director of the Moral Courage Project, a global leadership program with New York University and the European Foundation for Democracy. How can we know the answers? We can't. And yet we send our soldiers there as if we know what we are doing.

Oh I'm sure you're right. A historian I'm not, nor a partisan either. In fact I'm sure every PM has had a hand in that.

This is wonderful. Thanks. Tribalism triumphs in Afghanistan IRSHAD MANJI From Tuesday's Globe and Mail April 14, 2009 at 12:00 AM EDT There was a time when I believed. With every fibre of my feminist Muslim being, I believed in our Afghanistan mission. No longer. On Sunday, the Taliban assassinated another Afghan women's rights activist. It happened only days after the world learned of yet one more anti-female statute that Afghan President Hamid Karzai had signed into law. Critics accused him of caving in to warlords ahead of the coming elections. Only when Western voices amplified the protests of liberal Afghans did Mr. Karzai put the law "under review." Human-rights advocates called it a triumph. The victory, such as it is, will be short-lived. I'm increasingly convinced that Afghanistan's problem lies deeper than a recalcitrant Taliban or a gutless central government. It's a problem so profound that for the first time I have to ask: Should our troops just get out?

Harper Sells Canada to Americans Hasn't anybody told Harper that Chretien and Martin already sold Canada to Americans? :lol:

In the 1990's Canadian Peacekeepers in Bosnia at time disregarded United Nations orders to stay out of the ethnic cleansing conflict going on in front of their eyes and engaged in a fierce firefight with Serbian Forces to stop the ethnic cleansing going on in front of them, saving countless Muslim and Croat lives in the process. This much to the United Nations displeasure in which United Nations felt the Dove approach of diplomatic channels should always be used first before taking drastic actions, such as written warnings to stop killing people. Canadian Peacekeepers like most knew that would be too little too late and engaged the enemy over several days contrary to the UN Mandate. Most will remember Rwanda went through a similar ethnic cleansing when Canadian Peacekeepers notified the UN about the ethnic slaughter of almost a Million men, women and children and the UN ignored Canadian Peacekeepers pleas until it was too late. Many soldiers including myself as an ex soldier question the United Nations viability as a World Peacekeeping Body, who continually allow atrocities to go on continually over the world, as the Military Hawks as Peacekeepers are told to Roost and just observe while the Killings continue even as I write this story. http://www.nowpublic.com/world/top-bosnian...gitive-arrested

Sorry cybercoma. I see you did . Well ... it's not like we can change to a single cultural nation now, so we might as well embrace all, is how I see it. But please remember that the topic is children who went missing in residential schools. Loss of culture, land, and over 50,000 children ... but Indigenous Nations are still here. Whether Indigenous Nations exist or not is not in question, and is not in fact Canada's choice. Canada cannot choose to destroy another culture, by 'assimilation' or by 'extinguishment' of rights. Not any more. And even after the fighting (God forbid) we will all still be here, so I believe we have a responsibility to resolve issues honourably and peacefully.

Well then make your point in context please, or go to the bosnia thread, ok?

Bosnia topic moved here http://www.nowpublic.com/world/top-bosnian...gitive-arrested Please respect thread topic.

Bosnia topic moved here http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index....st&p=411183

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index....st&p=411126 An interesting topic came up, on another thread, so I'm moving the hijack here ... We were discussing missing Indigenous children in Canada, Canada's human rights abuses at home while berating China for abuses of the Tibetan (Indigenous) People ... and then about multi-nation countries ... and then Bosnia came up ... Canada is a Nation of Nations! wink.gif http://www.nowpublic.com/world/top-bosnian-serb-war-crimes-fugitive-arrested In the 1990's Canadian Peacekeepers in Bosnia at time disregarded United Nations orders to stay out of the ethnic cleansing conflict going on in front of their eyes and engaged in a fierce firefight with Serbian Forces to stop the ethnic cleansing going on in front of them, saving countless Muslim and Croat lives in the process. This much to the United Nations displeasure in which United Nations felt the Dove approach of diplomatic channels should always be used first before taking drastic actions, such as written warnings to stop killing people. Canadian Peacekeepers like most knew that would be too little too late and engaged the enemy over several days contrary to the UN Mandate. Most will remember Rwanda went through a similar ethnic cleansing when Canadian Peacekeepers notified the UN about the ethnic slaughter of almost a Million men, women and children and the UN ignored Canadian Peacekeepers pleas until it was too late. Many soldiers including myself as an ex soldier question the United Nations viability as a World Peacekeeping Body, who continually allow atrocities to go on continually over the world, as the Military Hawks as Peacekeepers are told to Roost and just observe while the Killings continue even as I write this story.

Interesting Oleg. Killing Serbs? Bosnia topic moved here http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index....st&p=411183 Please respect context of thread topic too.

yup. A colleague and his family were living there ... "We not me but some of ... we killed some of theirs, and then they killed a lot of ours, and then we ... more ... and then we were being bombed by Canadian and British planes. Then we had to leave." But ... that is not Canada ... we can hope. Though the navy and infantry were in Lake Erie near Six Nations at one difficult time, and the Brantford request for the army on standby has not yet been resolved. Bombs? I sure hope not. :angry:

You raise an interesting issue, but I think you've asked the wrong question. There is no limit to love. One can love one's country, where we all live together the same but different, and also love one's nation(s) of people. They aren't always the same, especially not for all of us immigrants. Country is association by contiguity - living side by side - and nation is genetic and cultural roots. We don't have to choose between loving our land(s), and loving our people(s). imo peace

Absolutely. Canada pretends to support Indigenous Peoples ... in other countries ... citing China's human rights offences against Tibetans, as bjre said. But the United Nations cites Canada for inaction and abuse of human and land rights of Indigenous Peoples in Canada. http://lib.ohchr.org/HRBodies/UPR/Document...6_4_CAN_3_E.PDF C. Institutional and human rights infrastructure 9. Joint Submission Six (JS6)21 noted the federal Government claims that difficulties in federal/provincial/territorial relationships present obstacles in fulfilment of treaty obligations, but remarked that when Canada signs an international human rights treaty, all levels of government are bound by it.22 Joint Submission One (JS1)23 recommended development of a coordinated and accountable process for monitoring implementation, involving both levels of government, indigenous peoples and civil society.24 And bjre, your point is well taken that children continue to be taken from Indigenous families much more often than the general population. 90 children died in care in Canada this year. They said it's the first time they've ever looked at that information. Some children in care have life threatening illnesses, it's true. But the information warrants further investigation. Since over 50,000 children (were) disappeared, and are still unaccounted for, from Canada's 'Indian' Residential Schools, I want to know how many children 'in care' in Canada today are currently unaccounted for. I want to know that ... but they don't know ... because this year is the first time EVER that they have even looked at the information about how many children DIED in care in Canada each year. :angry:

Canada is a Nation of Nations!

Well then the company should make sure it is doing business properly so it doesn't go into decline. Fact is ... companies are going under because they did not plan ahead for business in the future. These are dinosaur companies, and the workers do not control the company's business but rather, are victims of it. One sign of a dinosaur company is that they treat their workers badly. That's not the way to do business profitably.