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Exactly, and that's what we've learned. It's a matter of demographic probabilities.

Discussing the issue has revealed that those who would malign black people are wallowing around in the miniscule elements of the data, when the major finding is that whites are the perpetrators of the vast majority of the violence. I have no problem with discussing the topic. I have a problem with the bias in the thread topic that presumes an answer before the discussion: That is hate propaganda, imo.

http://stopdumpsite41.ca/?p=264 Anne Ritchie-Nahuis held in jail, bail hearing set for Friday ELMVALE – Anne Ritchie-Nahuis, the dairy farmer who has been one of the most articulate critics of Dump Site 41, will spend the night in jail. A bail hearing is set for 9 a.m. Friday at the Barrie courthouse. “I spoke with Anne and she seemed determined and sad that it’s come to this in this country,” her lawyer Murray Klippenstein said. “She feels she’s doing the right thing.” Officers with South Georgian Bay OPP pulled Ritchie-Nahuis off the road just north of Perkinsfield Thursday morning on her way back from a protest in Midland. She was one of about 200 Site 41 opponents who had turned out to support retired farmers Keith and Ina Wood, and retired teacher Barb Hunt, all of whom turned themselves into police to be charged with mischief. Ritchie-Nahuis – a member of the Site 41 Community Monitoring Committee that was established by an Environmental Review Board to provide accountability to the community – was put in the back of a police vehicle and taken to Midland where she was charged with mischief. Her father Bob Ritchie was also charged. Vicki Monague, one of the five Beausoleil Island First Nation women who started up a protest camp opposite Site 41 in May, is to turn herself on Friday. The Woods, aged 82 and 75, and Hunt, aged 69, signed undertakings to remain away from the protest site and were released. Ritchie-Nahuis refused. “She feels that the restrictions they are asking her to sign are unreasonable and too onerous for a situation like this,” Klippenstein said. Bob Ritchie also refused to sign an undertaking. He was released nevertheless because of his medical condition. A police spokesperson said the charges all relate to a court injunction obtained by Simcoe County and the individuals’ involvement with the protest at Dump Site 41 – where construction has been halted since July 6. Rethink decision to locate dump on site of aquifer: David Crombie, Maude Barlow It's absolutely appalling that the province is allowing the county to build this huge dump on top of the Alliston aquifier. I do not believe it will ever be used: It's just too destructive. Kudos to the people who bravely stand up to the trucks and the charges against them.

nah, we just smear her back And let the law take its course. The lawsuit will be interesting. It will have to address whether the delays in her treatment were excessive. btw, did you hear about the woman who sued her doctor because she experienced pain in childbirth? (she lost) Some people's expectations are just unrealistic.

We have the same options as you have, like the mayo clinic, if we want to pay your price. Every year many Canadians do. What we resent is Shona Holmes exaggerating her condition to smear our system, for partisan foreign political purposes.

Of course, the shoving was preceded by "free speech" by the 'astroturf disrupters', who always forget that my freedom of speech can shout you down. Not condoning the shoving, but what was the dork doing getting in their faces?

Thank you. I agree and reported the OP, to no avail. welcome.

absolutely irrelevant, benny http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ian-welsh/am...a_b_241703.html The Shona Holmes Health Care Hitjob Case in point: Shona Holmes is the current poster girl for the liars slandering Canadian health care in an attempt to discredit reform. Ms. Holmes alleges she was horribly endangered by Canada's healthcare system: Both CNN and McConnell made a big deal out of Shona Holmes, an Ontario woman who claims she was forced by Ontario's health system to go to the United States for life-saving surgery for a brain tumour. She claims that in 2005 delays in access to treatment at home made it necessary to go to the Mayo Clinic in Arizona and pay $97,000 for her care. Her story sounds bad, doesn't it? Except, of course, it's a lie: On the Mayo Clinic's website, Shona Holmes is a success story. But it's somewhat different story than all the headlines might have implied. Holmes' "brain tumour" was actually a Rathke's Cleft Cyst on her pituitary gland. To quote an American source, the John Wayne Cancer Center, "Rathke's Cleft Cysts are not true tumors or neoplasms; instead they are benign cysts." There's no doubt Holmes had a problem that needed treatment, and she was given appointments with the appropriate specialists in Ontario. She chose not to wait the few months to see them. But it's a far cry from the life-or-death picture portrayed by Holmes on the TV ads or by McConnell in his attacks. In other words, her condition was not immediately life threatening, and it was prioritized accordingly. But Holmes didn't want to wait behind people who needed care more than she did, so she went the U.S. where she could pay out of pocket to jump to the head of the line. Health Care Triage: U.S. Vs. Canada Here's the deal: both the U.S. and Canada prioritize patients, and both engage in health care rationing. In Canada health care is prioritized by how urgently a patient requires treatment. In America, to a much greater extent, access to medical care is prioritized by how much money the patient has. Someone in the U.S. who was sicker than Ms. Holmes was forced to wait longer for treatment because Holmes was rich enough to pay $97,000. ... If I had lived in the U.S., my parents would have faced a choice between paying for my incredibly expensive treatment or watching me die. They were both old and it would have wiped out their savings entirely and thrown them into bankruptcy. Frankly, I don't know how they could have supported themselves. My life, at that cost, would have had too high a price. I wonder how many Americans have had to make that calculation. But I survived, and neither I, nor my parents, was bankrupted. In similar circumstances I doubt all of those things would be true for an American 25-year-old trying to survive the same medical condition in America's health care industry. Health Care Rationing, American-style I have had two American friends die in the last 5 years who would have survived if they had had fully covered health care. (Note I didn't say health insurance, that's not what people need. They need health care.) One of them died of the flu. He didn't seek treatment because of the cost of his insurance co-payment, and he was found dead. Another had a heart condition, but didn't know it, because she didn't have health care, because she couldn't afford it. If she'd had health care, she would probably still be alive. Both of those people are dead because of people like Holmes, and the people behind her. My two friends are dead because insurance company executives want to keep their obscene salaries, and force Americans to pay more for health care than they should.

It was diagnosed in 1998. This is such a bunch of crap. American dr tells her "she'll die", and soaks her for $100,000. http://www.pww.org/article/articleview/16626/ Holme’s is also misleading people about her so called life threatening ordeal. She was diagnosed with a Rathkes cleft in 1998, not a life threatening brain tumor. According to the John Wayne Cancer Center, “Rathkes cleft cysts are not true tumors or neoplasms; instead they are benign cysts. Dr. Roland del Maestro, Director of the Montreal Neurological Institute’s Brain Research Department believes that Holmes exaggerated her condition. He told the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) that Holme’s lesion was benign, slow growing and did not require urgent attention. Michael Schwartz, a neurosurgeon at Toronto’s Sunnybrook Hospital has never seen or heard of a death from Rathkes cleft, he told the CBC. He added that vision improves if a cyst is drained or removed. Holmes admits that she had a Rathkes cleft, but said that it was the same as having a brain tumor and that American doctors told her that she would quickly die if it was not removed. In contrast, her Canadian doctors told her that her condition was not serious and monitored her condition. In 2005, she suffered a 50% vision loss which was temporary and reversible, according to Schwartz. She was placed on a waiting list of 6 to 4 months to see an endocrinologist and neurologist, respectively, in Ontario. Holmes decided not to see the specialists, determined her own treatment and flew to the Mayo Clinic in the US for surgery, paying $97,000. While she had a medical problem, it was a far cry from a life-death situation. If Us'ians want to believe this idiot, go right ahead. But it's crap. She could have had the surgery here too, free.

The lady did not have a malignant spreading cancer. She did not have cancer at all. It was a benign cyst putting pressure on other things, but not cancer.

Obviously it's not considered a problem, gay pride or mardi gras. I have watched the pride parade, and seen plenty of skimpy costumes, but not actual nudity. I think you have to be really looking for it. I don't see why some people, who have probably not been there and don't want to go should even care, nor why anybody else should care about their opinions. It's a non-issue, imo.

It's also a fallacy to assume that all other Somalians have the same characteristics as the ones you happened to meet, Argus.

Those who don't want to see nudity in a parade don't go to Mardi Gras. Those who don't want to see nudity in a parade don't go to Gay Pride. Simple. A man who will "drug and sodomize your son" is a criminal, a pedophile.

extremism is bad ... wherever.

repeat because you didn't address it: white women are overrepresented in the pool of potential victims.

From lictor's data in the other thread. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index....st&p=448520 98,000+ white women were raped/sexually assaulted by white men. white women are over represented in the pool of potential victims. I just don't think there's a point to be made here.

You truly are a racist pig lictor. Go back to stormfront where they like that stuff. It isn't fit for decent company.

There is no such evidence, and your thread and post are disgusting. A white woman is 3 times more likely to be raped by a white man than by a black man.

98,301 Whites reported being raped by Whites So a white woman is 3 times more likely to be raped by a white man than by a black man. I'm losing track of your point, as it appears to me that yours and kimmy's stats both show that the major conclusion is a preponderance of white on white crime.

I'm curious why you didn't answer this question, lictor. Who's right about this?

Reenlisting Gates and Crowley By Abraham Cooper associate dean, Simon Wiesenthal Center We at the Simon Wiesenthal Center have a unique take on the Sgt. Crowley-Professor Gates episode. We may be the only folks in America who knew them both before that fateful 911 call that cast them both in a national debate about racism and racial profiling that eventually led to the White House. ... Events in Cambridge involving Gates and Crowley have shown us how far we still have to go on these issues. We believe these matters are too important to leave to politicians and too explosives to place in the hands of demagogues. So we are inviting Prof. Gates and Sgt Crowley back to the Museum of Tolerance to help us create the next real "teaching moment" for our nation. Stay tuned. Rabbi Abraham Cooper is associate dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center and the Museum of Tolerance. This looks interesting!

link? The only stirring action was learning that Sergeant Crowley appeared at the White House with his attorney and his union representative. ... Many didn't talk about how the 911 recording (which didn't mention race) turned Crowley's race-riddled police report into fiction.

Cop somehow projects he is attending "two black men with backpacks breaking into a house", though the caller did not say that at all. I don't care how Crowley tries to excuse himself. He exposed himself in that fabrication.

I don't care what we call it, but going into gen revs really p's me off! It's meant to support people on EI, not raise money for the government.

from kimmy's stats above, of every 100 crimes against people white on white.........69 black on black.........11 black on white.........15 other race on white... 3 white on black...........2 Seems to me that crime is often by poorer people against richer people, so SES would likely account for any differences in rates of b-w vs w-b crime. Ie, It may not be racial; at all. The main finding in that data is that the vast majority of crime is white-on-white. Has anyone a link for any case where a white person alleged a hate crime by a black person? It's possible, as speculated by some here, but I've never seen it reported. The Courtenay case will be interesting, and may not ultimately be judged to be a racial hate crime, since the same goons later that night threatened a white kid too. Not sure how that will be seen.