Moonbox

HEY DAVE. The compiled polling predictions were coming in at 144-160 CPC seats and that's what I was telling you. Where you at right now? Got any facts to back up YOUR blathering? Wait...you've been totally proven wrong now. Have a good night and enjoy the next 4 years.

I'm wondering where Dave_ON is right now....We need to continue a discussion we were having earlier today.

NDP support is rising. I'll not argue with that. It's what...10% higher than it was last election? At whose expense? Not the Tories. Their support is flat. The NDP rise has come at the expense of the Liberals and the Greens. The Tories are polling around 10% higher than the Liberals and NDP, who are almost dead even. We'll see how the vote splitting goes lol. We were talking polls and predictions. You attacked someone's predictions because he was a partisan hack, yet he's backed by the polls. His opinion and mine are based on the polls. What are yours based on? Could it be.............nothing??? A total red herring. What does his bias have to do with anything? We were talking about his conclusion and the polls that thus far support it. It was up to you to provide some contrary evidence, which you completely failed to do aside from saying, "NDP support is rising." We've had about 2 weeks of media coverage to show us that but WELL DONE for noticing. You've been posting here for two years big guy. Your vapid responses in this thread are pretty consistent with your posting history. I believe our argument started when I asked you: "What about the article do you take issue with? You can rail against it all you want, but tell us why his predictions make no sense, rather than wet your bed over it because you don't like what he's saying." Your best response was, again, that the NDP support is rising. Anything else? Do you have anything to refute that aside from EKOS, the major pollsters are predicting between 144-160 seats, which would support Frum's prediction? I'm fascinated what your response will be!

Parts of London are nice. Some others make downtown Kitchener look good....

Okay bud.

Sorry, I'll add London Fanshawe, Windsor and maybe one or two outside of that. 85% of the NDP's support is in those areas because they're largely dump ghettos economic wastelands desperately in need of subsidies. Outside of that their support plummets. When your posts actually have some substance, rather than glib responses like, "Conservative hack - ignore what he says" perhaps I'll spare you my condescension and contempt. David Frum's prediction is, regardless of his bias, supported by most of the polls. Your disagreement is based on your dislike for the anticipated results.

They're looking to gain seats in Atlantic Canada as far as I can tell now that Whiney Williams is gone. They don't really need that many seats.

It was random as far as I can tell. Neither myself nor anyone in my household has ever voted NDP or ever intended to. I'm not a member of any party nor do I have an election sign on my lawn.

The problem with wiping out the centrist party is that the centrist elements then scatter in opposite directions. The soft-liberal left would go to the NDP and the soft Liberal right would go to the tories. People for some reason seem to think that the collapse of the Liberals will lead to their entire base voting NDP all of the sudden. Jack Layton and the NDP are not well liked in large parts of the country, particularly in Ontario.

What a sage and intellectual response. What about the article do you take issue with? You can rail against it all you want, but tell us why his predictions make no sense, rather than wet your bed over it because you don't like what he's saying.

The candidates stopped going to the debates because they were attended largely by loud obnoxious morons who didn't have anywhere better to be. Going to a debate and being booed every time you opened your mouth by a partisan fringe group of unemployed wack-jobs or students is in no way productive. I know the debates in Guelph and the KW region were an absolute farce and nobody took them seriously because of how rude the attendees were. There's a reason the televised debate didn't have an audience. Aren't you forgetting Ontario, where the Tories have been polling @ 40%, with probably closer to 60% outside of the GTA? There's also Atlantic Canada, where they're polling around 30-35%. Support for the CPC is far more widespread than any other party in Canada. LPC support is almost non-existant outside of Montreal and Toronto. The NDP is reviled in Ontario outside of dt Toronto, Hamilton and Northern Ontario. They'll get a smattering of seats west of Ontario and their support will largely be concentrated in Quebec, if at all.

I'm sure it was I wasn't the one who took the call. Anyone but an idiot won't fall for it. The people who do probably shouldn't be voting anyways.... I kid I kid. Everyone should vote....but still....

LoL Battletoads you're a joke. What are you basing that on? It's likely just some pissed off fringe looney with a chip on his shoulder. We received one of these calls actually. I found that rather funny because we'd already voted in the advance polls.

I wonder, however, if this talk about Jack will actually help the Conservatives. There are a lot of red tories still in the Liberal Party and how many of them will jump to support Harper simply out of fear of wacko Jacko? I can guarantee you that there are a LOT of anxious people here in Ontario. Outside of dt Toronto, Hamilton and a few crapholes in northern Ontario, NDP is VERY poorly regarded.

Okay well PIK's guess isn't far off what the polling companies are predicting. His guess is at least supported by some of the data we have thus far. What you think is going to happen in the election isn't really based on anything but what you think and with all due respect is no less idiotic than the prediction PIK made. They're polling at almost exactly the same place they were on the eve of the last election and now the opposition parties have to contend with a vote split.

A compilation of the polling companies are suggesting similar results. Are you freaking out because you don't like the results, or is your protest based on something? http://www.electionalmanac.com/canada/

I'd rather associate with Harper's conservatives than with Mulroney the crook. Thanks for distinguishing.

I'm going to go with: 158 seats for the CPC 75 seats for the NDP 50 seats for the LPC 25 seats for the bloc Nittany your 130 seat projection for the NDP looks like pure fantasy. Even EKOS, the polling company with the most generous NDP numbers and least generous CPC numbers, is predicting at worst 133 seats for the Cons and 115 for the dips. All of the other polling companies are predicting between 143-160 seats for the CPC, with a nasty vote split for the NDP and Liberals. If the results end up around the 150 mark for them, there's a good chance you might have Liberals and Bloc members who narrowly won vs CPC candidates cross the floor to keep Jacko irrelevant and make sure we don't have another election soon.

Please don't speak to me about numbers or amortization. I work with those sorts of numbers for a living and would dance circles around most people in that regard. Every piece of military equipment in service has a cost amortization. It really has nothing to do with our argument either. This is what we call 'mental gymnastics'. You've presented a bunch of numbers to us that seem really interesting, but mean absolutely nothing. What does Canada's replacement cost of their navy have to do with what a Japanese fighter purchase will be? Japan has a navy 10x the size of ours, which will also need to be replaced, and takes up a large part of their military budget. Again, the Japanese are going to buy more fighters. That's a given. Nowhere is there any indication of an intention to purchase 400 F-35's, or F-22's for that matter. You're making a case for the red herring award.

Pretty much exactly how I feel about politics. Also...I already voted and it wasn't Liberal.

Dude. Look at the numbers. The money. It ALWAYS boils down to money. You can list all of the neat numbers you want but they make not a token of difference unless the money is there. Japan's GDP is about 3x what ours is. Their military spending is a little more than 2x what ours is. Japan JUST bought 100 aircraft at $100M/unit that their citizens are pissed about already. They JUST had a catastrophic disaster that will take them years to recover from. Do the math. Please. They don't have the cash for 400 F-35's and there's been ZERO evidence that they're looking to expand their airforce spending by 400%. One last time: Go over the numbers and the money. It is not there.

My friend from highschool helped start that website. He's a bit of a loon.

I always thought the Toronto Sun was pretty left. I haven't read it in forever because I felt it was for idiots.

Except that the demographics and numbers don't support that at all. Nice try buddy. Hope you're not hurting yourself with comebacks like that.

Ignatief is done. Canada made up their minds about him a long time ago and he's not going to change that much. The LPC can't afford another outing like this one. As for him working with Jack as PM, that's really not going to happen. That would spell the end of the Liberal Party.