Moonbox

It was a direct quote, you goof. ?

Took all of 15 seconds to find this https://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/minorities-who-whiten-job-resumes-get-more-interviews There's plenty more if you actually want to learn anything about it. You're literally describing a big part of the issue. It doesn't take a genius to understand how pervasive and problematic this is for an ethnic minority. The formal policies can only do so much when the problem is insidious rather than overt. A very small number of companies hide the names to HR departments. That's a good policy, but it's not practical for a lot of businesses. I think meeting someone face to face and actually looking them in the eye helps to humanize and eliminate the "other" element, but it doesn't fix everything. On this I agree to an extent, but this is a stubborn problem that's persisted for decades and that isn't just going to go away because we hope it will.

I'm not sure you know what anecdotal means if you think that. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. Your personal experience in your own workplace is purely anecdotal however, and not very useful for this debate. There undoubtedly is in many places, and I don't think these are great policies either. The underlying reasoning for these protections (flawed or not) are the disadvantages these groups face. Pretending they don't exist isn't going to end affirmative action and make things more fair for you. Solving the underlying factors might. That's the point. The content in the CV's for these experiments were identical. This phenomenon has been repeatedly studied all over (at least North America). When a racialized black name is on the top of the document, it consistently gets way less interest than when it's an everyday white name, with everything else being equal. That's systemic racism. It's not overt and it's almost impossible to track or monitor. It happens for other things too, like how a female or male might be preferred for certain roles, with CV's being otherwise identical. "John" vs "Jean" will get more call backs based on the role despite there being absolutely no difference in their CVs.

He says...followed by... ...where he moronically contradicts himself in the same breath. It's actually hard to understate how truly and hilariously stupid both of these statements are together. At least now we have an explicit quote from you on the matter, though it's not saying anything we already didn't know. Fortunately for the world, your hopes are fantasy. Sadimir Putin will not have his way.

Your personal anecdote, true or not, is both highly subjective and also informative on why you feel the way you do. There are certainly some folk who milk affirmative action for all its worth, but it's pretty common for people to claim favouratism and bias when someone's promoted ahead of you. Perhaps, but there's a lot of discrimination that's not overt. As I said before, if you wrote two hundred identical CV's, but half of them were from Lashondra and half of them were from Allison, you can pretty much guarantee that Lashondra only gets a fraction of the interview requests that Allison does. That's been proven. If living in a poor, crime-ridden neighborhood is determined to promote a culture of hopelessness and failure, you do things to lift them out of that rather than reinforce a status quo that helps nobody. The cultural reasons argument is only useful if we're using it to find ways to tailor solutions, rather than being excuses used to maintain the status-quo. "Black people just like doing crime," is not productive or helpful for anything.

On this, I sort of agree, but then where does that leave us? A lot of the stuff you say isn't necessary wrong. I'm not a fan of family-reunification immigration policy, or of affirmative action in the public service, or a great many other things. That being said, we're a country full of immigrants. Are we not better off trying to understanding the reasons why certain ethnic communities struggle so much, and trying to find ways to lift them up rather than find reasons to blame them and keep them there? Certainly I think we can try to prioritize immigration that can offer useable skills, education and self-sufficiency, but that doesn't do anything for aboriginal communities etc.

He actually believes it though ?

No doubt all of the above are factors but then why are single parents so much more common for Black children? Do they love their kids less? Third-generation Canadians were born here, and their parents were born here. Their grandparents immigrated. Yes, again, all of the above. Why is that? I know what you think the reason is, but there's far more to it than that. I too think that affirmative action (especially in the public sector) is problematic. That doesn't mean that systemic racism doesn't exist.

What he’s talking about is the unrest and skirmishing in the Donbas. The Russian militias and the Azov brigade fought and murdered each other for years. Of course according to him, it was only the Azov brigade that did anything wrong, this despite third-party investigations concluding that most (but definitely not all) of the atrocities were committed by the pro-Russian militias.

unlike the stronk Russian macho-man military, right? ?

We're not talking about individuals. We're talking about meta-statistics spanning millions of people. Asians earning more than white people (I haven't researched it) may be another example of systemic racism, but with a positive stereotype of how good they are at math or, whatever. Cultural influences might explain part of it, but we're talking about hundreds and hundreds of thousands of black people coming from dozens of different countries, all with different backgrounds and cultures. The fact that 1st generation black immigrants earn more than 3rd generation is a worrying sign. The "cultural influences" may be how black people are treated and perceived once they get here. Say what you want about white racism, but prejudices against black people are generally worse in other parts of the world, and those attitudes come to Canada too. I think that fundamentally misunderstands what "systemic racism" means. It's not a specific accusation, but rather an acknowledgement that certain minorities are (for a large variety of reasons) clearly at a socio-economic advantage. At this point there's as much foot-stomping and outrage from angry white folk as there is within whatever woke crowd they're protesting. Yeah...don't. Those are stupid.

NOO YOU! As I said, just wait and see how it all turns out. The most impressive thing about the conspiracy clownosphere's self-delusion is that when they're proven wrong, over and over again, they consistently manage to just sort of forget and blot that out and move on to the next dumb dumb parade. You'd be a really good psychology experiment. "The Powers of Self-Delusion". "EU is falling apart," he says, as the bloc shows solidarity with sweeping sanctions against Russia and resigns itself to recession in order to wean themselves off Russian oil/gas. "EU is falling apart," he says, as long-standing neutral nations close their borders to Russia and join NATO. "you blood thirsty little cowards," he cries, as he rants and raves about Europe/NATO supplying Ukraine with defensive weapons, while cheerleading Putin's invasion.

I know he's attacking civilian infrastructure. I doubt very much he's hit many anti-missile sites. 7 months into the war and he still hasn't suppressed Ukrainian air defense so that's just fantasy. What are these attacks proving? Nothing. They're just a tantrum from Putin and the warbloggers and nationalists in Russia, trying to do anything they can think of to change the situation. They're losing and it's only going to get worse. Czech students getting blankets means it's all over for Ukraine! ? Only in your little fantasy world bud. Your boy Putin is fully cucked now. The only thing he can do now is bluster and threaten, but the Russian military has proven itself incompetent/incapable beyond even the most optimistic projections. When this is all over and Ukraine is still standing, I'll remember to have a good chuckle at your expense.

It's not specific. It's general, widespread, pervasive, often not even overt/intentional - systemic. I linked the CTV article showing income and unemployment disparity for 3rd generation black Canadians, as I just told Groot. I wonder what your thoughts are on that. An example of systemic racism is in job hiring. A lot of job postings receive a deluge of applications applications and managers barely even glance at the vast majority of them. There is plenty of research out there showing how if a black woman sends out 100 identical resumés each under the names Lashondra and Allison, the latter invariably receives more responses.

No, I linked the article showing the income and unemployment disparity for 3rd generation black Canadians vs basically everyone else. There are only two explanations for that: 1) A racist one 2) One that acknowledges there are observable and statistical disadvantages to being black in Canada.

The amount of energy you've spent denouncing everyone BUT Putin is ample evidence of your support. Of course you're too chicken-shit to actually say it, especially considering how many people the dude's murdered, but it's clear as day who you're rooting for. If this was actually what you were worried about, you'd have spoken out loudly against Putin when he first brought up the nuclear question, but you didn't. You used your pretzel-logic and somehow decided that it was the people he threatened with nuclear strikes who were bizarrely somehow the ones escalating the danger. This is a common theme for you here. Just like Putin wasn't responsible for invading Ukraine (it was the Ukrainians fault for getting invaded- duh), now it's also their fault and NATO's fault that Putin is brandishing nukes. The cognitive dissonance is strong in this one. With Putin's army collapsing and his regime looking like a lame-duck, the only card they have left to play now is to make nuclear threats, and like the useful lickspittle you are, you'll shout and amplify that stupidity as far as you can.

It's just history repeating itself. A megalomaniac like Putin was certain that the West was a disharmonious, decadent and soft civilization that couldn't stomach sacrifice. There's a long list stretching back over 100 years of similar-minded dictators whose ambitions were shattered by this delusion.

and you're projecting your own insecurity. ? I already did. Scroll up.

Yes you do. You're obviously very invested in this. He started the war and you're spending all of your energy apologizing for him and blaming everyone but him for what's going on. The fact that you've spared not a single breath criticizing the guy who started the war in your clown-world interpretation of events is a pretty clear indication of how you actually feel about all of it. What you're feeling here is cognitive dissonance. You thought Putin was a stronk leader and was going to rid the world of wokeness and bring back the macho to men. Instead, he's proven himself a delusional muppet and you're the guy trying to square it all up.

I have long complained about race-based hiring in Canada, especially in public-facing positions with lots of interaction with citizens. The last 3 times I've called CRA, I couldn't understand a damn thing the person on the other end of the line was saying. I get that part. It's dumb to say there's no systemic racism in Canada though. I don't think you guys really understand what it means. You're looking for overt examples of racism or something. You could just go and look at how the average 3rd generation black Canadian makes ~35% less than non-visible minorities. Trying explaining that without saying something really dumb. https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/five-charts-that-show-what-systemic-racism-looks-like-in-canada-1.4970352?cache=%3FclipId%3D86116%3FcontactForm%3Dtrue

So there were no long-term consequences for it. Gotcha. ? Captain Projection is back folks! You're the one starting threads about this, not me. ? The fact that you started a thread to whine about the idea of "systemic racism" in Canada means that you obviously have a problem with it. If you're not interested in talking about "reverse racism", then what exactly is your problem with claims of the "systemic" version?

He's their hero because he fought against the Soviet Union, who'd brutalized and starved them. When US Southerners venerate Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson, they're not venerating slavery, are they? Of course not. This is the same thing. They are venerating what they consider a freedom fighter and a patriot, not Adolf Hitler.

You supply the only level of discourse you're capable of. ?

but that's...the only systemic racism in Canada? ?

If you knew the history (which you clearly don't) then you'd know they chose not to "remain in the Russian sphere" (whatever that means). They chose to fight the Tsars. They chose to fight the Soviet Union. They chose independence when the SU collapsed and are now fighting to remain outside of the "Russian sphere". As the Russian troops flee, completely uninterested in Putin's war, the Ukrainians soldiers are proving how stupid everything you're saying really is.