Moonbox
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5 hours ago, Scott75 said:
I just said that Newsweek published it, I never said it was Newsweek's view. As to your assertion that these diplomats were 'Republican shills', you've presented no evidence of this.
I refer you to anything else he's written for Newsweek. 🙃
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7 hours ago, Scott75 said:
I literally said it was an opinion piece in the comment you're responding to.
Yes, that's why I asked you if you knew what an opinion piece even is. You were framing it as if it was Newsweek's view, rather than just the on-brand opinion of another Republican shill who wrote into Newsweek. 🙃
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On 3/13/2025 at 8:47 AM, Scott75 said:
It's not just my view. Even Newsweek published an opinion piece detailing how Ukraine no longer looked like a democracy, and this was back in 2023:
https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-sure-doesnt-look-like-democracy-anymore-opinion-1844799
You do know what an opinion piece is, right? This isn't even an editorial...
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23 hours ago, User said:
Perhaps your comment should have been that you think inflation will go up now with all the crazy stuff Trump is doing.
Okay sure.
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19 hours ago, Nationalist said:
Trump's fitness for office is debatable but only without preconceived biases on either side.
You can highlight the shameless and obvious nature of the near-endless lies he tells. We're not talking about the regular political spin or fibbing either. It's the bald-faced, retarded fabrications he conjures out of thin air that really highlight what's going with him. On that, you can be completely objective.
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19 hours ago, User said:
Except... inflation isn't going up since Trump took office. It is down .2% in February from January.
Right, before the Trump's useless, global trade-war kicked off, and before he started vandalizing the US economy. Let's look at this again in a couple of months. I'll trust the economists and you can trust your Kool-Aid on how inflation plays out, okay? 🙃
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2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:
Dude that was 3 months ago. Trump has been in since January 20th, that's it
True enough, but the markets spooking, manufacturing outlooks plummeting and inflation going up since Trump took office are all messes of his own making, and have little to do with Biden. It'll be interesting to see how many Kool-Aid drinkers continue to blame Biden for torpedoing US federal finances with tax cuts for the wealthy (that never pay off) and trade-war recessions that don't bring the jobs back they pretend they will.
Don't take my word for it though. Just wait and see. Short of an about-face and a reversal of policy on Trump's part, bad days are ahead for the USA.
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22 hours ago, User said:
"Trying to enter into an economic agreement with Ukraine makes them stronger, not weaker.
In a vacuum, and if it's actually beneficial for Ukraine. Trump's first offer on this deal was extortive and would have ensured their poverty. Regardless, none of it actually matters if they're getting rolled by the Russians and they're ceding large swathes of territory for it.
22 hours ago, User said:Trying to secure peace, ends the bloodshed, that makes Ukraine stronger, not weaker.
Not if it's a capitulation to Russia, or if like 2014, it's just a temporary cessation that leads to Russia regrouping and trying again in a few years. As we know, nothing Vladimir Putin signs is worth the paper it's signed on. Donald Trump is doing a good job convincing the world the same holds for the USA!
22 hours ago, User said:Working with allies to provide security makes Ukraine stronger not weaker. "
You mean passing the buck on allies, who will actually provide the security guarantees? 🙄
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On 3/8/2025 at 1:14 PM, I am Groot said:
Yes, I know some of you hate Peterson. But he was willing to read Carney's book and give us quotes, and I doubt any of the rest of you will.
He's not worth hating, or taking seriously. He's an edgelord bullshitter with opinions on everything, and mostly things he doesn't know anything about.
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2 hours ago, Nationalist said:
On Trump I'm not so sure. Why are reciprocal tariffs batshit?
Because they aren't? The first step in recognizing Trump's batshittery is that most of what comes out of his mouth is absolute balogna. Whether it's because he believes everything that comes into his muddled head, or he's just a compulsive liar is up to you, but he's full of shit 99% of the time.
Much has been made by the Orange Blob about Canadian dairy tariffs, but are you aware that there is a zero-tariff maximum that the US is allowed to export to Canada under the USMCA (the best trade deal ever written in history...the one Trump negotiated), and that the this maximum is never reached? Those tariffs aren't paid by anyone. Reciprocal? Nonsense.
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27 minutes ago, Nationalist said:
Of course. I guess the question becomes, 'can anyone prove Trump is unfit for office?'
About as well as anyone could "prove" Biden was. The evidence, I would argue, is pretty compelling for both. Biden looked lost and barely aware of his surroundings. Trump looks deranged and unaware of his reality.
One is senile. The other is batshit. That's the best that America could come up with over the last 12 years.
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2 hours ago, Nationalist said:
As long as "fit for office" is an issue.
Okay. Does a world exist where both are unfit?
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1 hour ago, Aristides said:
Amerca's biggest problem is its overvalued dollar. It can never be competitive in world manufacturing while that exists.
The funniest part about all of this is that the overvalued dollar isn't even a problem. Being the world reserve currency is one of best things going for the US, but you're right that it's a drag on their exports.
That Fat Orange slob is like a little baby throwing a tantrum. He wants to have his cake (world reserve status) and eat it too (sans the trade deficit that world reserve status causes almost by default).
50% aluminum tariffs now! No! Make it 400%! THAT will show us!
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10 minutes ago, User said:
This entire stupid discussion so far has been you refusing to admit you were wrong
Wrong about what!?!? 🤣
The fact that a mineral deal isn't a security guarantee?
22 minutes ago, User said:No, it is just a factual observation that I already pointed out. You ignored.
I'm not ignoring what you're saying. I'm laughing at it. This "factual observation" you're trotting out in front of us is anything but.
The final outcome of a peace deal could make Ukraine stronger, or it could be forcing Ukraine to roll over and let Putin get away with everything he's done. It could be something in between, but calling it "factual observation", or assuming it as a given, is as ridiculous as everything else that the MAGA donkeys try to rationalize.
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2 hours ago, Nationalist said:
As opposed to this...
How long is this old rag of an argument going to last? Why don't you blame Obama while you're at it?
The cause of the current market chaos is singular, and the odds of a Trumpcession increase daily.
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20 hours ago, User said:
Nope, you said:
"The idea that American "mineral rights" somehow substitute for actually meaningful security guarantees is a funny magic trick that Republicans are trying to convince the world of. "
Yes, I know what I said, so where's the obfuscation? That's your playbook!
We're still waiting for an actual argument against the above, beyond just repeating Trump's foolish claims.
20 hours ago, User said:No, just facts. The final outcome makes Ukraine stronger.
No, that's just MAGA clownworld logic. What you're trying to make people believe is that drastically weakening Ukraine's fighting position by freezing aid, and handing Putin a massive propaganda edge with his retarded comments about Zelensky being a dictator and starting the war, Trump is somehow paving the path for a stronger Ukraine. What you're saying is absolutely retarded. 🤡
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On 3/9/2025 at 1:10 PM, User said:
No, you still can't back up what you said, its just that you have drug your obfuscation out for so long now, you want to continue to do that this way. So... where was this what Republicans were trying to convince the world of?
That's the funny part. I haven't dug in at all. While you've been mewling about goalpost shifting, my point has been clear all along. Mineral Rights aren't security guarantees, and it's retarded to pretend they are.
Like the deluded muppet you are, however, as long as Trump is saying something, you'll try and warp reality around yourself to square it up in your brain.
On 3/9/2025 at 1:10 PM, User said:Zelensky should have thought of that before he announced to the world he had continued American support to keep fighting this war all year long when he knew that was not what Trump wanted.
What Trump wants is the problem - which is to help his buddy Putin. Everything he's said and done has been to help Putin, and make things harder for Ukraine. Those are facts.
On 3/9/2025 at 1:10 PM, User said:The eventual goal of peace makes Ukraine stronger.
Yeah, which Trump apparently accomplishes by making Ukraine weaker. GREAT LOGIC!
On 3/9/2025 at 1:10 PM, User said:Your issue isn't me, it is your bad arguments. Work on those more.
See above. 🤡🤡🤡
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On 3/7/2025 at 3:40 PM, User said:
"The idea that American "mineral rights" somehow substitute for actually meaningful security guarantees is a funny magic trick that Republicans are trying to convince the world of. "
Where did I say it was a substitute for "any other" security guarantees, as you claimed? I can play these retarded word-games too.
On 3/7/2025 at 3:40 PM, User said:It doesn't mean anything for certain, that is the point, we are backing them though.
They are armed to the teeth with the support we give them.
Like the US was arming Ukraine prior to Putin's invasion (or rather Zelensky starting the war, according to Trump LOL). The point is, that "backing them" can mean anything, and it's not a security guarantee.
On 3/7/2025 at 3:40 PM, User said:Trying to enter into an economic agreement with Ukraine makes them stronger, not weaker. Trying to secure peace, ends the bloodshed, that makes Ukraine stronger, not weaker. Working with allies to provide security makes Ukraine stronger not weaker.
There's those farcical mental gymnastics again. I don't even know how you can take yourself seriously saying this shit.
Halting military aid to Ukraine only makes Ukraine weaker, and Russia stronger. Those are facts. That you're trying to argue otherwise is absolutely pathetic, and it further highlights why nobody can take you seriously. 🙃
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23 hours ago, User said:
LOL, ah yes, me quoting exactly what you said repeatedly is a "ubiquitous smoke-screen!"
Actually quoting what I said is fine. Making up what I'm saying is your problem. When you try to make the debate about what you want my point to be, rather than what I'm telling you it is, you're just arguing with yourself.
On 3/5/2025 at 11:31 AM, User said:You tried to claim it was a substitute for any other security guarantees.
Can you provide the quote where I said that? No, because It doesn't exist. Even when you're engaging in these useless word games, you're still making shit up. 🤡👌
23 hours ago, User said:Just like Taiwan, we have an economic reason to see that they stay independent and we have no formal relationship with them or formal military obligation to them... but everyone knows we are essentially backing them.
"Backing them" doesn't mean the US will sail the 7th fleet into the Straits of Taiwan and support them in the event of an invasion. No, what's really stopping China from invading is that taking an armed-to-the-teeth mountain fortress with 1,000,000 reservists via amphibious assault would be a bloodbath - juice not worth the squeeze.
23 hours ago, User said:Even now, you repeatedly avoid the actual point I am making here, that Trumps withdrawal of support was completely in response to Zelensky's public comments.
I'm not ignoring it, I'm saying that it's deluded MAGA clownworld nonsense.
As expected, and as we're seeing, everything Trump has done thus far has weakened Ukraine's position and strengthened Russia's. That's the reality. That's a fact, and you're left coping and rationalizing about how Trump "just wants peace". You sound just like Nationalist now. 🤣
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2 hours ago, User said:
Except, revenues are up. They continued to go up, even after the tax cuts.
Nominally, yes, and I'm sure that helps you wrap yourself in your comfy Trumpian fantasy. Relatively speaking, adjusted for inflation and GDP growth, federal revenue is down, while expenses have grown with a growing (and aging) population.
Four years from now, when the tax cuts have blown up US deficits further, when the goofy tariffs don't pay for anything and Elon's clown parade at DOGE don't deliver anywhere near the cuts they say they will, you'll still be blaming Biden! 🤣
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2 hours ago, User said:
Now you hide behind the term "clarification" when you continue to dishonestly ignore what you originally said and just act like you didn't say that or falsely accuse me of characterizing it incorrectly.
No, it's just you throwing up your ubiquitous smoke-screens - your pedantic deflection and obfuscation because you can't actually debate the subject matter. Instead of arguing the actual point, you want to argue about my verbiage. It's pathetic, and just further highlights your lack of intellectual credibility.
2 hours ago, User said:Yes, it is. Pointing out that we would be economic partners and invested is an argument.
A retarded one, yes. That's the point. Economic "partnerships" are not security guarantees in any way shape or form. Russia has offered the same to Trump, highlighting how the USA can get mineral access to Ukraine with or without future Ukrainian sovereignty.
2 hours ago, User said:No, that is Zelensky's doing. As I have already explained previously.
Now that Trump has shown his true colors and is making life easy for Putin, you've come full circle and are now repeating Nationalist's reasoning. I don't think anyone here is surprised how quickly your convictions on Ukraine evaporated once your Orange Messiah started pissing all over them. 🤡🤡🤡
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21 minutes ago, User said:
That was not your original claim. Once again, you continue evolving your argument, moving those goal posts.
As usual, the only argument you can provide is insisting on a dumb straw-man. Your characterization of my claim is completely bogus, and as usual, even after clarification, you can't move on and actually argue the point. It's just deflect, deflect and obfuscate with you, every time.
21 minutes ago, User said:The partnership with Ukraine would in fact be a form of security, as we would be invested with them and economic partners.
This isn't an argument. This is just repeating the retarded claim. Economic partnership provides no security guarantee, just like Chinese investment in Mariupol didn't prevent that city from getting flattened.
25 minutes ago, User said:This is your strawman, not mine.
Donald Trump's "negotiating for peace" so far has amounted to nothing more than weakening Ukraine's position. He's done Putin nothing but favors, and that isn't strawman. 🤡
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3 hours ago, cannuck said:
The US is $37 trillion in debt - a debt that has to be serviced by a very broken economy. Wall Street speculators have taken over the government and economy and pay next to nothing in tax for the trillions they pocket.
By broken, you mean the strongest in the world?
That's not what's broken. It's their government and their politics that are. There are two sides to finance: revenue and expenditure. US news media and politicians have been able to delude their voters into the myth of trickle-down economics for the last ~40 years, and the results have been predictable. Trump's 2017 tax cuts led to record-low (non recession) revenues, and he's about to compound the problem and make it far worse. The rich have become far richer, the middle-class has been squeezed, and US federal finances are a looming disaster.
This is self-inflected pain.
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Ukraine Can't Win the War
in The Rest of the World
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Putin's motivation for starting the war is revanchism. His justification for it is batshit and utter nonsense, and only uneducated rubes who know SFA all about history believe a word of it.
Right? Imagine admiring a servile, futile donkey-people that despite all material advantages can't drag their useless existences into even the 20th century, and still live like serfs from the 1700's.