Moonbox
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9 minutes ago, Army Guy said:
For the record ,I already have stated that US made arty is much more accurate than Russia stuff...according to you say it's 1/10 as accurate, not sure where you grabbed that figure but you go with it
It's math. If they're firing 1/5th or fewer rounds (as your numbers would suggest) and if Russians are suffering 2:1 casualties (as most sources report) then that's 1/10th as effective.
11 minutes ago, Army Guy said:Ukraine military sources report that 80 % of all their wounded and killed are due to RUSSIA ARTY fire...
SO WHAT? This has nothing to do with the question we're debating, and it's the same on both sides. All it tells us is that the Russian airforce, navy and infantry are even shittier than their artillery.
If it takes 10 Russian shells to match the effectiveness of a single Ukrainian one, the numerical advantage you keep talking about is what's actually moot.
4 hours ago, Army Guy said:The fact remains they are advancing right
Irrelevant fact. If their "advancing" amounts to pushing from one blade of grass to the next, at massive cost in human life and materials, what does that count for?
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1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:
I don't care for discussing personal matters, but I'm becoming skeptical that army guy ever serviced in the armed forces.
Don't be. He's been on this forum for something like 20 years and I have zero doubt he was in the army. We talked about Afghanistan back in Harper's day. He's really not one of the bad ones here, even if I think his biases blind him.
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On 6/30/2024 at 10:51 PM, Army Guy said:
Not sure what you want to hear, Russia arty is less than 1/4 as effective as Ukraines, which is a moot point consider Ukraine states very clearly that 80 % of its soldiers casualties is from arty fire...it is also responsible from breaking up Ukrainian ground forces and their most of their attacks ...
The math shows it's 10th as effective.
Reconsider what you're trying to say here:
Russia is firing 5x as many artillery shells as Ukraine, but the fact that it's 1/10th as effective is somehow a moot point? Wtf...?
That's utter nonsense, and there's no point in responding to the rest of your post, or even continuing the debate if this is the logic you're running with.
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2 hours ago, CdnFox said:
That's the elections act.
You know - the thing you said didn't exist.
I said the Elections Act didn't exist!?! 🤣
Oooookay.
Everyone knowsCdnFox knows, the best and most convincing lies are the ones that are too shockingly stupid for anyone to possibly believe.Take a clown-bow. You really outdid yourself here.
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3 hours ago, CdnFox said:
it literally is right there in the elections act. Third monday in october, 4th calendar year.
Who did you think you were fooling with this link?
Your make-believe doesn't magically become reality because you linked the landing page for a government website. 🤣🤣
Are you trying to prove you're the dumbest person on the forum? You're making a strong case for it.
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14 hours ago, Army Guy said:
Look Ukraine is saying 80 % of its overall casualties are caused by Russia arty...meaning it is pretty effective.
No, because 80% of Russia's casualties are caused by Ukrainian artillery, and Ukraine is firing less than 20% the amount of shells, but causing double the casualties. What does that math tell you?
I've already brought this up, but you just sort of talk past me and repeat the same points in different ways...
18 hours ago, Army Guy said:Counter bat radars are actually not that complicated and available at most arty units.
Not for the Russians. They lost them in droves last summer as they're apparently easy to locate, they have minimal capability to replace the systems because of sanctions, and they continue to lose them regularly.
14 hours ago, Army Guy said:The lesson here is the US, lets include all of NATO, is not producing war materials fast enough, the fact it has been holding Ukraine back for the most part due to lack of support.
Not disagreeing, but how do you figure that situation is going to improve? Does arguing unwittingly on Putin's behalf about how hopeless the Ukrainian situation is, despite all evidence to the contrary, somehow help?
I really don't get what you're trying to do here, and how you're failing to see that the most important battle for Putin is winning the hearts and minds of people like you by repeating the same points over and over until it's taken for granted.
18 hours ago, Army Guy said:IF NATO was out producing Russia and NK most of these items would be crossed off the list...the fact Ukraine is begging for them is telling...the fact Ukraine has almost stopped making large gains on the ground is telling, Ukraine is telling the globe, the lack of military material is holding them back, is telling... So it does really matter that the US outspends everyone, or NATO outspends everyone, or can out produce two countries, the fact is they are not doing it...
This is all bad logic - all of it. Ukraine is "begging" for equipment because they're not getting what they're asking for, and what they need. They're lack of gains on the ground are matched by Russia's, who despite the overwhelming and hopeless advantage they apparently have, still aren't moving.
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16 hours ago, CdnFox said:
I quoted the elections act. I guess you think the elections act is 'made up completely"
No, what I know is that you did not quote the elections act, and that you're openly, obviously lying about that. 🤡
16 hours ago, CdnFox said:Trying to declare victory over a typo pretty much proves that
Because it wasn't a typo, you sad little clown.
Terms are 5 years, according to your fantasy legal definition, "which is why the last election was 2020" and the next one is 2025. 🤣🤣🤣
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1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:
He is a loser and a joke now too. A laughing stock
He's always been a loser and a joke. He knows it. That's why he these arguments are all mortal conflicts for him. His ego can't handle any challenge. This forum is all he has. 🤡🤡🤡
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2 hours ago, CdnFox said:
ROFLMAO - that's all you've got? I typed 2020 instead of 2021 and you feel all proud of yourself now? LOLOL!!!
You typed it on purpose:
The frankly shocking stupidity behind this is not that you typed 2020 instead of 2021, it's that intended to do just that, insisting that a PM "term" is 5 years by your completely made up and unbelievably dumb "legal definition".
It's your foolishness on perfect display. We can skip the multi-page song and dance where you bullshit and clown around about all of the reasons you can't or won't source this "legal definition". This one is so painfully and obviously wrong on its face that it doesn't even matter. 🤣
That you don't have the emotional maturity to admit you were wrong is a given. The real question now is what your inevitable meltdown is going to look like. Which previous butthurt are you going to try to dredge up? How many emojis and caps will you ROFLMAO pound out on your keyboard in your upcoming performance?
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19 hours ago, CdnFox said:
Translation - "Crap, he's right and i can't refute it! Gotta say SOMETHING!!!" LOLOL
Sorry that your stupidity didn't work out for you again kiddo
After just telling us that the last election was in 2020, I understand why you'd have to say SOMETHING!!!!
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51 minutes ago, Army Guy said:
Sorry moonbox it does not work that way, Arty can be on target and not cause any casualties, That's what trench's and fox holes are for, arty kills those above ground, it takes a direct hit or very close round kill or wound anyone in a trench....but sooner or later everyone has to go above ground that's when the start getting killed...Arty is the king of the battle field, it kills the most of any weapon system...
Sorry but that's not what you said. You said 75% of it was landing on Ukrainian troops, which obviously isn't true. Whether it's "on target" or not is probably a matter of perspective, given that Russia seems to be spraying and praying more than anything. "On target" for them probably means anything within a couple of miles. 🤣
Artillery may be king, but there's obviously a lot more to it than number of shells fired, else Russia wouldn't constantly be losing artillery duels, whining about their lack of artillery radar systems, and suffering 2:1 casualty ratios, correct?
1 hour ago, Army Guy said:You would have a point if NATO economy moved into war capacity, but it is not...most are producing military materials during a 8 hour work day, 5 days a week ...there is not rush....so while they have the potential to out produce Russia that's not the case right now, and won't be any time soon...NATO increases to production are happening at a snail paces, and for now and the near future, Russia with the help of NK are out producing NATO in war materials...
NATO doesn't need a war economy to outproduce Russia and North Korea. The US's peacetime military budget alone is bigger than Russia and North Korea's wartime economies combined. There is literally no contest there. A wartime economy is also something that's hard to sustain, and requires massive deficit and reserve spending. Russia and North Korea may be outproducing artillery shells, but this is obviously not a war-ending advantage.
Producing 20,000 shells for an artillery unit doesn't count for much if your artillery radar gets knocked out by HIMARs, your shells trajectories are being tracked by enemy radar, and you take accurate return fire from out of your range, does it?
4 hours ago, Army Guy said:I have stated very clearly that currently Russia and NK are out producing NATO in all war materials, for many different reasons...I have provide clear reliable sources that back those points up..
You haven't though. You've shown that their making more artillery shells.
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28 minutes ago, Matthew said:
It's not a disaster. Democrats had no advantage going into the debate and an already narrow path to election victory in November. So it would have been worse for democrats if biden's performance was just mediocre and maintained the status quo. However, bombing so hard creates a rare game changing development for democrats, in the unlikely event that they choose to strategically take advantage of it.
I think it would have been better if Joe showed up with some energy and with a functioning brain. The only way this gets turned into lemonade is if they very quickly find a replacement.
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1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:
I caught most of the debate and agree with the overwhelming consensus that the debate wasn’t as much a Trump win as it was a massive Biden loss.
Yeah I don't see how anyone can view this as anything but an absolute disaster for the democrats. I turned it off after Biden's opening statement. What Trump did during the debate never really mattered. Everyone knew he was just going to rant through his regular slogans and lying BS. What everyone wanted to see was whether Biden still functioned, but he did his best impression of a vegetable.
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2 hours ago, CdnFox said:
Blah blah blah "I DON'T UNDERSTAND POLITICS BUT I"LL LASH OUT BECAUSE CDNFOX KEEPS MAKING ME LOOK STUPID!!!"
Kiddo you're embarrasing yourself.
And nobody said anything about 'a parliament'. LOOK!!!! HERE"S A DEFINITION OF SOMETHING YOU DIDN"T SAY TO PROVE SOEMTHNIG ABOUT WHAT YOU SAID!!!! LOLOL
Also you - "TERM DOESN"T EXIST, THAT"S JUST A WORD YOU INVENTED! YOU MADE IT UP! IT"S NOT REAL!! ALSO HERE'S WHAT A TERM IS"
ROFLMAO!!! Honestly comedy writers look at you and wonder "how does he come up with this stuff?"
PP will likely serve three terms. That means about 12-15 years.
But carry on - i'm loving watching you cry your salty leftist tears
Another useless wall of text, saying nothing. This is what you do when you've humiliated yourself - you just try to spam through and try to move the thread to the next page. 🤣
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20 hours ago, Army Guy said:
The fact that 80% of all Ukrainian casualties are caused by Russia arty, rocket fire tells a much different story, Ukrainian soldiers are telling a much different story...Russian arty is deadly and plentiful...
No, it really doesn't. We're doing simple math here. If Russia is firing 600,000 shells a month, as you say, and hitting Ukrainians 75% of the time as you suggest, then that's 450,000 casualties a month. The war would be over in a month or two if that were true, which it obviously isn't.
They still hit stuff, and they still cause lots of casualties, but if we accept they're firing 600,000 shells per month (highly dubious), then they're not even hitting targets 5% of the time.
20 hours ago, Army Guy said:NATO's production capacity does not dwarf anything...it's been on peacetime production for decades, and will take years to even match Russia and NK capacity as it sits right now...
NATO's economy (and therefore capacity to produce) outscales Russia and North Korea probably 50:1. The fact that surplus equipment and peacetime production has been enough to stall out and hold off Russian and North Korean war economies for 2 years tells you everything you need to know. Even a modest, real commitment to armament production would tip the scales. 2% of NATO's GDP towards the military would dwarf 50% of Russia's GDP towards theirs. North Korea would barely even factor into that equation.
20 hours ago, Army Guy said:As for raw materials, they must be getting it from somewhere becasue western intel sources have quoted the fact that NK is producing arty ammo at full production rates...
No, this is what you're referring to:
"While North Korea's arms factories operate at 30 percent capacity due to shortages of raw materials and power, certain factories are operating at full capacity, which primarily produce weapons and shells for Russia," Shin said in a meeting with reporters Monday.
https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2024/06/103_369559.html
All this is telling you is that North Korea has prioritized supporting Russia as much as they can.
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8 hours ago, CdnFox said:
Literally posted the legal definition above.
LOL!! 🤣
Let's review:
Everything about this comment is retarded.
First, you're saying Justin won three elections, but not three terms - which makes no sense whatsoever.
Second, you're offering what you call a "legal definition" for the word "term", when anyone can do a 2 second google search and see you made it up:
https://www.ourcommons.ca/procedure/our-procedure/ParliamentaryCycle/c_g_parliamentarycycle-e.html
The "term" of any Parliament is not fixed, and the only mention of 5 years is that this is the Constitutional maximum limit.
The best part of all of this though, is that you can't even get basic facts right:
Our last election was in 2021. The next one is 2025. That's four years, you absolute assclown. Harper introduced a bill in 2007 (which has since become law) that there has to be an election 4 years after the last one. By your made-up "legal definition", "winning a term" is therefore impossible.
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45 minutes ago, Army Guy said:
Catherine Mckenna, remember her speech or should i say drunken slur it was reported on most media outlets..."if you say it loud enough , often enough Canadians will believe you"
I don't even really know who she is, but she's absolutely right. Repeat a slogan enough, and the dumb and incurious will eventually believe it.
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3 hours ago, CdnFox said:
Ahhh no - no i was correct. They didnt' serve three terms
any of them You were wrong but you just keep doubling down on the stupid
No, you were not. You made a complete assclown out of yourself, again, and conjured up your own retarded definition for what "term" means out of nowhere.
5 years is/was the Constitutional maximum term limit to a parliament, and that's since been limited to 4 years. That doesn't mean you didn't serve a term if you don't go to max. That's nothing but the standard mental gymnastics you do to assuage your ego after humiliating yourself with your clueless bullshitting.
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15 hours ago, Army Guy said:
Well according to climate Barbie , she says canadians respond to screaching something loud and often enough it becomes fact...maybe he is a liberal...
Who is climate Barbie?
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15 hours ago, Army Guy said:
Thats not my point, your claim is about NK ammo being to old, thats a myth, your claim about it being of inferior quality is right...that being said there is 4 times the amount of arty rounds falling from the sky, it does not matter if 25 % is duds becasue 75 % is still landing on Ukrainian troops...
If Russia is firing 600,000 rounds per month, and 75% of it is landing on Ukrainian troops, there wouldn't be any Ukrainian troops left alive, would there?
The certain, mathematical reality is that 95% of their rounds don't even scratch a Ukrainian soldier:
15 hours ago, Army Guy said:As for accuracy both sides are having issue with accuracy due to barrel wear...and not many spare barrels...it's not just a russian thing...
Perhaps, but Russian accuracy was shit to start, so barrel-ware is going to affect them worse. More importantly, if they're firing at 7-10x the rate the Ukrainians are, so who's dealing with more barrel-ware?
15 hours ago, Army Guy said:Again not my point you said NATO and its production capacity was going to,leave Russia's and NK in the dust, thats a myth.
NATO production capacity dwarfs Russian and NK's. North Korean factories don't operate at capacity because they are constantly lacking raw materials, and both nations are under critical components shortages on account of their being sanctioned and unable to make any of it on their own.
You can probably appreciate that there's more to military economics than the number of artillery shells you can theoretically produce, right?
Long-term, this is a question of economic scale. Russia's economy can be outmatched by Canada's. North Korea's can be matched by...Uganda. Those two countries can keep up with NATO in the longer term? That's what you really think?
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1 hour ago, Army Guy said:
1....Yes they do have massive stockpiles of ammunition, but it is not as old as you suggest, And the fact they have a high dud rate is a moot point Russians are still firing it at high rates of fire. You are discounting the fact that NK is manufacturing not just arty ammo for russia but small arms , RPG, grenades etc...with their manufacturing plants running at full capacity
If you're arguing the numerical advantage of Russia's munitions, how is it a moot point that a large portion of them miss their target and turn out to be duds even if they hit? That's the exact opposite of moot.
If # of artillery shells was the determining factor of the war, it would be over already. The reality is that Russian equipment has always been garbage. It was garbage during the Cold War, and they've only fallen further behind. Combine that with the fact that Russian training, leadership, C&C and intelligence is all dogshit. Look back at Summer 2023, when Russia was losing artillery systems at a 4:1 or worse ratio, despite firing 7x more shells per month.
3 hours ago, Army Guy said:You say it is all pennies, but if that was the case why have they not decided to donate in the tens of dollar range, and why has the rest of NATO atleast not meet the US in the middle with donations
A lot of it has to do with public perception and Vladimir Putin's info ops. The slow-roll nature of all of the equipment being donated has been a direct consequence of limp escalatory threats from the Kremlin, and prevaricating on it here. The Red Line has been feebly threatened by Putin, but continuously pushed by NATO, over and over. We call their bluffs, but it's an agonizingly slow process. First it was long range artillery, then it was tanks and AA systems, then it was cluster munitions, then fighter planes, then permission to strike within Russia...the piecemeal nature has been tortuous and costly.
Arguments like the ones you're making here, however, are actively making the situation worse. It's the narrative that Putin is pushing - and you're buying into it and the negative feedback loop it leads to. The situation is hopeless, so we might as well stop supplying aid, which makes to situation worse, making it seem more hopeless, and so on.
3 hours ago, Army Guy said:I have looked at the map and Russia is gaining far more ground than Ukrainian forces the maps i provided show that Ukraine is doing a out of this world job at stalling Russian advances, but the fact remain Russia is gaining ground daily
I'm not sure you really have:
Man, look at all that progress Russia's making...they're advancing daily...from one blade of grass to the next.
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3 hours ago, CdnFox said:
LOL where did i tell anyone they lost?
HAHAHAHA! Where?!?
Twice in the same thread, you dumb muppet.
3 hours ago, CdnFox said:But as predicted, once you got your ass handed to you yet again
I get that it's upsetting when people show how much of an assclown you are, but you do it so regularly, and so obviously, that the solution is to think before you post something stupid. Ranting emoji spam doesn't convince anyone of anything. 🤡
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This is a funny matchup.
Inarticulate copy-paste poster VS Deluded Conspiracy clown.
Round 2...
FIGHT!
Toronto Pride once again allows perverts to expose genitalia in front of children
in Federal Politics in Canada
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Some things are inherently wrong, like murder, rape and stealing. Some things are a matter of perspective, like premarital sex, abortion, divorce, gay marriage etc.
When someone dresses up as a dog and let's a kid pet them, I imagine they're having their heads pat or something like that - silly, harmless fun. You, on the other hand, make it sound like they're angling for a reach-around.
Perspective.