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Thank you ,I agree. here is a response from a comrade responding to email questions,,,,,, I don't buy the idea that marijuana is any threat to public safety. I have heard critics say " you wouldn't want your surgeon having a bong hit, or an airline pilot..." I would feel fine. My surgeon, pilot, ferry captain, taxi driver, can all bong hit before anything they are doing on my behalf. Marijuana does not impair. If a person believes marijuana impairs, I can do nothing to convince them otherwise. But I have never seen it. Millions of people go to work in auto factories, computers, on ferries, schools, universities, their work place, after smoking a joint and they are fine to execute their responsibilities. I have never had a car accident after 27 years of smoking pot and driving my vehicle. Pot people are better at what they do, on average, than straight people, because using marijuana makes routine tasks like driving, assembly line work, household chores, raising kids, listening to teachers far more novel than "routine." We are likely to enjoy work and pleasure more, that's why we smoke and consume marijuana. The propaganda that states marijuana impairs is from a judgmental, anal-retentive class of critics who don't use marijuana. Why would any marijuana user believe in the sincerity of those people looking to jail us? Marijuana and tobacco differ radically in their effect on the body. Nicotine is a vaso-constrictor, tightening and narrowing veins, arteries that circulate blood and oxygen to the tissues. Even when chewing tobacco, nicotine produces lesions and cancerous cells in the area of the chewing tobacco, because oxygen/blood is not getting to the affected tissues. 42,000 Canadians dies from tobacco related disease in 2006. Cannabis does the opposite physiology. THC (tetrahydrocannabinol) is a vaso-dilator, meaning THC immediately expands, makes flexible and greatly improves the volume of blood and oxygen (contained with the blood) to all affected cells. Additionally, when one bong hits, you are introducing 8 - 10 times the volume of oxygen to the lung linings, delivering oxygen to expanding arteries, and sending THC to the lung lining to attack tumours, old cells, free radical cells, and cancerous cells. The issue is not about safety. All unsafe behaviours are legal: unprotected sex, adultery, divorce, guns, bad foods, alcohol, prescription drugs, tobacco. No one goes to jail for these behaviours unless their is evidential proof that criminal intent (harm to others directly) was involved. No one should go to jail for marijuana based on a perception that it has health risks. Everything, including government approved tap water (that killed 7 in Walkerton, Ontario) is a risk. No criminal law should punish unsafe behaviour to one's self. I would like to say that no discussion of the health impacts of cannabis can be had in its current climate of prohibition. Normally, if someone tells you that French fries are going to kill you, or tobacco (the #2 killer), or alcohol, or sugar (the new #1 killer in Canada), or fast cars, or fatty foods, etc., people don't use those facts to justify putting you in jail. With cannabis however, every person who uses the so-called health hazards of cannabis as a club to try to jail us. All the studies on pot health impacts are requested with the specific intent of using those studies to maintain the prohibition, which causes the problems we see, not the use of marijuana. So when our persecutors are trying to jail us and punish by pointing out the health impact on our individual lives, they are doing so with the most devious and cynical motives. Those people don't give a goddamn about our health, its all about judgment and punishment because the free thinking pot smoker is a threat to the conformist mentality that the modern state requires to operate its immoral machinery of prohibition and punishments. If marijuana causes some to have a negative health anomaly, stop using. When all these prescription drugs have caveats added to their TV advertisements that say " if you find yourself gambling compulsively or being sexually promiscuous, discontinue use..." then pot really is not threat to the social fabric of health. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So again the club slammed against us as a way of saving us and jailing us for health reasons is absolutely ridiculous. I SAY AGAIN SHOW ME THE BODIES !!! SHOW ME A FATALITY WITH CANNABIS ALONE AS THE CULPRIT !! YOU CANT . THE GOVERNMENT CERTAINLY KNOWS THAT. YOU CANT AND EVEN WITH CRIME RATES GOING DOWN THEY ARE USING THE SCARE OF US TO OBTAIN ANOTHER 64 MILLION DOLLARS TO WASTE AND 2500 MORE POLICE WHO REALLY ARE UNNEEDED. VOTE GREEN FOR MODERN SANE ANSWERS TO TODAYS PROBLEMS !

Great storey http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/ca...f957e4e&p=1 ***The myth is demon possession, that drugs can possess you and make you into an addict. It has a very medieval flavour to it," he said. "That idea, that these drugs cause addiction, is an extremely valuable idea for an awful lot of people. I mean, obviously for police, to start with. That's easy, right, because now they have a mission to protect the public [from drugs]. But for psychologists even more so, because we have to have a reason why we can't cure these guys." It's even a "useful story" for parents of junkies, who are often racked with guilt, fairly or not -- the story that it was the junk that got the child, "not anything that I didn't do." As a researcher, Prof. Alexander started attracting serious attention in the 1970s, when he, with Barry Beyerstein, Patricia Hadaway and Robert Coambs, did a series of experiments known as "Rat Park," purportedly showing that drugs do not cause addiction. In one experiment, rats that had been fed morphine for two months straight were introduced to a luxurious habitat with wheels and balls, plenty of food, water and warmth, and a social network of other rats. Given a choice between morphine-laced water and tap water, the rats chose tap ***

You do of course realize the ingredient that was killing our pets recently has also been found in our pancake badder ,, Poisened wheat gluten from china. No need for us to be importing wheat from china is my point. Thanks mdancer

Mike I am being sarcastic ,oil was $26 dollars before the war ,yesterday it hit a new high of $90 dollars a barrel !!!

I am earth day ,, april 22 Taurus full of bull hahhaha Also a 1957 fire rooster if you know what that means. I lack tact apparently hahhaha

hear !! hear !! He did pretty good with that plea to Canadians that harper/ hillier wrote for him though ,,didn't he? Little girlsssss are in dangerrrrrrr Wait for the continued stories meant to tell us we are in fact staying there till that pipeline is safe ,,er I mean until the people are safe. Yes help the Americans. They sure did a great job themselves in Iraq and fought bravely bringing freedom to the people of NASDAQ with the price of oil Well at least since 2003 when Bush declared an end to the war. hahhaha

If you are capricorn you are rooted at home anyway,,but I would /could /have explain(ed) how to move the criminals to government jobs and to clinics but that stops all the profit to the real criminals who take all our tax's and keep people like you afraid. END PROHIBITION ! CALL A CEASE FIRE ON THE DRUG WAR !! HARPERS PLAN MAKES ALL OF US LESS SAFE !! VOTE GREEN

Top notch Its medicinal.

I don't know what you mean? It is originally from a friends site if that's what you mean. What 3 beers and you turn into chatty Cathy ? yep that's just like cannabis (as you asked some where else). haha

I cant really say I am afraid of anything any more to my self ,, personally. I am first generation Ukrainian Canadian ,,born here in 1957. My dad and uncle were sponsored here by my grandfather in 1936 The rest of my family had been killed or starved by the Stalin regime and after many years he was finally successful in bringing them here to join him. My grandfather had been a prisoner of the Russians and had been tortured regularly and was instrumental in teaching me a great deal about human rights and why he fought so hard. Why do you ask?

ACTION ALERT: Oppose the Throne Speech's endorsement of the SPP October 18, 2007 On October 12, Maude Barlow, David Suzuki, Ken Georgetti, Maher Arar and Monia Mazigh demanded that Prime Minister Stephen Harper include in his Throne Speech a commitment to submit the controversial Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP) to a vote in the next parliamentary session. The prime minister did not do so and by failing to commit in this week's Throne Speech to a parliamentary debate and vote on the SPP he very clearly broke his April 2006 Throne Speech promise "to submit significant international treaties for votes in Parliament." The government has so far only glibly dismissed its obligation to submit the SPP to parliamentary debate and a vote by insisting the SPP is a process, not an agreement. But not only has the prime minister failed to subject the Security and Prosperity Partnership to democratic scrutiny, he has, in fact, reiterated his government's commitment to proceed with it. Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Throne Speech stated that, "With Advantage Canada, our Government has laid out a sensible economic plan to secure better-paying jobs and solid growth for Canadians." And the 'Advantage Canada' document states that the Harper government, "will build on our NAFTA advantage through improved border efficiency and increasing regulatory convergence through the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North American initiative and in consultation with the North American Competitiveness Council and other stakeholders pursue regional and bilateral trade, investment and science and technology agreements, ideally together with our NAFTA partners." To read more about the Council of Canadians campaign against the Security and Prosperity Partnership, please go to http://www.IntegrateThis.ca. TAKE ACTION Write Prime Minister Stephen Harper at [email protected] and tell him to cease all talks leading toward deeper integration between Canada, the United States and Mexico. CLICK HERE TO SEND A LETTER FROM OUR WEBSITE NOW! http://council-of-canadians.c.topica.com/m...0bsP0FjeaeQy7T/ You can also cc the leaders of the four main opposition parties with your message. You may want to remind the party leaders that they all backed our demand at the time of the SPP Summit in Montebello, Quebec this August 20-21 that the SPP be scrutinized by Parliament. LIBERAL PARTY (August 17): "We will table a resolution calling on the government to inform Canadians of the work and negotiations of the SPP, and to report to the House of Commons to allow for parliamentary scrutiny and a full and informed debate when the Parliament reconvenes." LE BLOC QUEBECOIS (16 août): "Il est clair que le Canada doit suspendre la mise en application des nouvelles mesures règlementaires découlant des discussions du PSP jusqu’à ce qu’il ait consulté les parlementaires. D’ailleurs, le gouvernement Harper ne dispose d’aucun mandat pour agir dans le secret et procéder à des changements avec ses partenaires de l’ALÉNA." (It's clear that Canada must suspend all current regulatory measures related to the SPP until parliament has been consulted. Without a consultation, Harper cannot claim to have a mandate for proceeding with regulatory changes, in secret, with his NAFTA partners.) NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY (August 17): "The NDP will continue to show leadership, working to ensure that any further developments on the SPP are stopped until a full legislative review, public debate and parliamentary vote take place." GREEN PARTY (August 16): "The SPP is integrating the military, security, trade, economic, regulatory, and foreign polices of Canada, the US, and Mexico without public input or Parliamentary or Congressional scrutiny." Draft letter Quote:Prime Minister, I join with the Council of Canadians in demanding that you immediately cease all talks leading toward deeper integration between Canada, the United States and Mexico and that you bring the Security and Prosperity Partnership to the House of Commons for a full debate and vote. I am disappointed that you broke your promise "to submit significant international treaties for votes in Parliament" by failing to commit to bring the SPP to Parliament in your October 16 Speech from the Throne. And I very much oppose your Throne Speech endorsement of the SPP by backing Advantage Canada's commitment to "...increasing regulatory convergence through the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North American initiative...in consultation with the North American Competitiveness Council..." There is no SPP in democracy! Sincerely, <your name> cc. Stephane Dion, Liberal Party of Canada, [email protected]; Jack Layton, New Democratic Party of Canada, [email protected]; Gilles Duceppe, Bloc Québécois, [email protected]; Elizabeth May, Green Party of Canada, [email protected]. Brent Patterson, Director of Organizing and Campaigns, The Council of Canadians -- The Council of Canadians 700-170 Laurier Avenue West, Ottawa, ON K1P 5V5. Tel: (613) 233-2773; Toll-free: 1-800-387-7177 Fax: (613) 233-6776 [email protected] http://www.canadians.org

My cue ??? I do Maybe that's why I have been maybe smarter than a lot I have just read here. Only the chief and the medicine man got the drugs on a regular basis , remember. The wise men. They don't follow blindly if they all get some. Anyone a racist has no real self respect. No self respect is the root of many many problems. Becoming aware is the first step , among many. I cant think of anything else to add here because this topic isn't something I will ever have a problem with and never do unless someone is and I tell them. I get a kick out of those talking about people who use illegal drugs as lesser beings , sub human ,etc ,,,then I think of the doctors we know of that have treated them and their children for years while they themselves have been full blown heroin addicts or barbiturates or pain killer,,House the TV show ,it isn't original ,,and well it sure would be different if he had to buy his drugs off the street , yes ,,these ,, sanctimonious types , as they sit behind their computers looking like a big larva as they continue to suckle and smack loads of sugar ,,the real #1 death drug and point fingers at open minded harmless compassionate enlightened people. Bizarro world ,,some of you must live in ,,, and wow ,,dangerous I bet , to boot. You really should get out more so you don't waste all of it. Toodooloo

You really are on something yourself it seems as hate alone cant be the reason you just lie and perpetrate the hate that you do. I cant be bothered ,,sorry , You just keep in your space and keep your poisons away ,,, You are a lost cause. I have a choice. I here by demand you provide links for your stupid comments,,, or lose any credibility even from your own kind. *****The build up of toxins in those who smoke over the long term do cause health risks and also risk to pregnant women*** You just fabricate poison out of fear !!!! *********** You say "if we make it legal then it will not be illegal", Brilliant, and how many reefers did it take for you to think that one out? There are good reasons that we as a society do not want the use of pot to be legal, The build up of toxins in those who smoke over the long term do cause health risks and also risk to pregnant women. While alcohol also has these same issues, it is legal, only if you do not abuse it. That is the main thing called abuse. If you abuse alcohol you will quickly find that you end up breaking laws e.g. DUI, Drunk in public ********* I rest my case and we will just assume you above the truth. Why is it so important to post here ,, if that results in that you would lie? I have zero to do with liars ,,sorry its just a moral rule I keep ,,you of course understand.

no that's ,,,, ********I just read that the panel heading by Manley will be paid $1200-1400 per day and the rest 850-1000 per day and they will work 15 days a month, which the four will get $15,000 from now until the end of March**** PER DAY IT MEANS So what? Cheap buy off really. 50 years ago stats can records showed doctors and lawyers made slightly more than journeymen trades. Their wage has risen disproportionately very sharply upward. Who are the politicians by and large? I would have thought he would have been paid more than that for the optics he is providing to the cons ,,,I agree a cunning move but still wrong and misleading and contributing to giving us our first seats. So carry on harper

How much was spent to do this for 50 dollars worth of cannabis begged by 3 obviously adult girls from a business licensed operator and not a biker with poisoned pot? http://www.mapleridgenews.com/portals-code...2510&more=0 ****Three undercover police women first met Perry, a man in his 30s with dark brown hair and shaggy bangs, on April 19, 2005. Dressed in blue jeans and an Orange County Chopper T-shirt, he was quick to chat with the girls as they walked through his store, each officer making mental notes and keeping keen details of each isle. They detailed all the contents of the shelves in a report to their supervisor: drug pipes and "bongs," big and small; "The Volcano," a special marijuana smoking device; videos and books on how to grow marijuana; nutrients to reap a healthy pot crop; and a petition urging marijuana legalization *** April 19th ??? That's like going around on December 24th to see if you can find anything to do with Christmas,,,, AND !! WHERE IS THE COCAINE ???? AFTER ELUDING TO ITS SALE ????????? AND USING THAT FOR AN INVESTIGATION ??? CRAP ! VOTE GREEN JUST TO START THE POLICE EARNING THEIR MONEY THE RIGHT WAY BY GOING AFTER VIOLENT OFFENDERS AND NOT WEAK PEOPLE CHOICES OF POISON IN VICTIMLESS CRIME Why didn't they send in 3 of maple ridges finest big guy cops dressed as bikers? hahhahaha I love the video's they wont show any more where police were dressed in Apollo moon mission suits or Pillsbury's dough boy suits ,,,Dunlop tire suits ,,,I hope all remember ,,,as they were dismantling grow ops that in reality were just plants and not hazardous waste. Any notice they stopped putting those in the news?

Hahaha Howdy Just great entertainment here and some of you should be writing plot lines for soap operas. Very good. It would never fall on a throne speech ,seconded. Budget yes. Still I don't think so just yet. Myself , well I have hopes of a different nature and outcome arrived at with a different means than most and it may only be wishful thinking ,, but I don't think we shall see any election until at least Feb 7 2008. After this time we will see Green seats and a Dion government. Of course I for one am still cognisant of the meld down possibly happening in the good ole Us of A. Imagine Dion gone and the same problem then arises as Rae is nipping at Iggy's heels. No ,, what is needed is just a " REAL " renewed pledge of allegiance to the actual liberal party and the self possessed blinders taken off. It should happen. I think it will. Dion is the better man to hold them all in check as he is the least ego driven. Iggy or Rae gives us the same old ,same old. Kennedy would be my next best choice just to cut out all the chiefdom's that were allowed to grow over the years ,,although all of them in different circumstances can do no worse than what harper will now do just in the spirit of this country and what it did stand for when my family came to this country. Sure stopped the sponsership issue dead in its tracks didnt it ? My 2 cents. Thanks for asking.

6 billion has been spent from what I read. Of that only 600 million on helping Afghanistan rebuild,,the rest destroying their country and their people or in other words bombs and guns. Look at them beg Canada to continue the graft as they are already addicted to the cash from us and if you dont think there are corrupt forces at work there ,,remember the Americans are missing billions and billions in Iraq !!!!! A lot are lining their pockets with blood money.

The poll was and is understandable ,enough for an answer ,,you are just nit picking. The deaths from cannabis "alone" is what you and I eluded to and I do not see any by your response,,, ****quote These shocking results prove beyond doubt the dangers of drug-driving, and of mixing drink and drugs before getting behind the wheel,†says Mary Williams, chief executive of Brake, the UK’s national road safety charity***** Again you are just showing your intended ignorance. I don't think I will bother with you any more as you seem to enjoy it too much. I am only after those with the right stuff and they are listening and will vote for us GREENS ! Anyone else look at that video ?? If we have jailed 2 million in the states with 70 % drug related and created 800 thousand here in Canada with a criminal record to save on car insurance again we are going the wrong way. This is not and has never been a question of health or safety,,,,no matter how you try to twist things. The only 2 governments to study cannabis(UK and Australia) both concluded we drove better under the influence of cannabis than we did sober,,,don't like that ask harper why he cut the 4 million in funding that would have confirmed these things. ITS CALLED IMPAIRED DRIVING AND SHOULD BE ABOUT IMPAIRED DRIVING Whether it be from alcohol or drugs ,, legal or illegal,,,,yes? IMPAIRMENT IS KEY HERE AND NOT THE RIGHTS OF POLICE TO ARBITRARILY STOP EVERYONE TO PEE IN A BOTTLE USE THE VIDEO THEY HAVE IN THEIR CARS TO SHOW IMPAIRMENT !!!!! Have a nice day and thanks for the comments to keep my thread going. I would ask that you base your comments on reality and not your own personal discriminatory practises.

You are absolutely right Michael ,,,Thank you I have been here long enough to figure out how to fix it. I have. I have screwed up posts in the past as well,,,,, I am still learning ,,,,, So where do you sit with the drug war? Do you feel we will improve our communities by creating the next wave of violence being brought now by harpers step the wrong way ? Do you remember the girl shot as she waited in line for a boxing day sale ? Do you know anyone who has tried cannabis? Do you consider them criminals? or is the law creating criminals? Do you know that president Bush didn't t renew the semi automatic weapons ban that was in place for 10 years? innocent by standers will be shot now even by 50 caliber machine guns ,,,from sprawl mart while medical cannabis providing gangsters fight over drug turf,,, then of course the police will need them ,,,,,and so on and so on and so on,,watch ! 2500 more police ,,yet we are all time taxed and crime has been regressing for years,,yeshhhhh I stand by my words here but then I have done the research.

Harper also said drug impaired drivers ,,I challenge anyone to show me a cannabis alone driving fatality,,,,,with out alcohol ,,or even legal drugs what would you expect BC ferries to say after the sinking fiasco ,,,, nothing to do with cannabis except for the speedy and safe removal of all but 2 passengers when the drinker forgot to turn the ship,,,,,, to dispell some of the witch hunting ,,,, BBC TV have a gander if you dare,,, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLmHL7YznUI...ddriving%2Ehtml

I have said we are different than the other parties. We are. No one needs muzzle me for being too Green. The shots on your spelling to some others would be considered me just saying hello in a nice way. I see no harm coming to you because of what I am doing or how I am doing it and by standing up and saying what I am is still harmless to you unless you are really just a hard core prohibitionist at heart that simply refuses to consider the alternative. Your loss. Its not like I haven't heard it all before from people who really haven't heard the correct story. You don't realize that I once thought like you probably do and I received an unwanted or asked for education to which I am now indebted to. This isn't about me ,, and if you met some of the ones that I have met ,,you would do it yourself.

Thats a great idea maybe you can handle that ? I would expect you to at least use spell check for that though OK?

No I don't think I need to but maybe you should and then you will see I am already there (top of page 6) hahahahha Do you actually read what I write or just scan it? Maybe re-read my comments. and you will see some words maybe missed the first time. Just back from the court house with the da kine case if you want to talk about racist like practises, try me ,,,or about wasting all this money for people there who are seemingly privileged and only seem to work 5 hours a day. Holding our freedoms to ransom.

Obviously we shall see wont we in the mean time could you keep what are to me racist remarks out of my thread if you also have absolutely nothing to contribute except your jealousy?

http://www.torontosun.com/News/Canada/2007...579726-sun.html Green Party more than just tree-huggers Tue, October 16, 2007 Green Party more than just tree-huggers By ALAN FINDLAY, NATIONAL BUREAU OTTAWA -- Green is for marijuana, a carbon tax, income splitting for couples and dying with dignity, according to federal party leader Elizabeth May ,,,,,read the rest in the link Calling all income splitting supporters as well !!