Moxie

Bali wasn't a failure for those of use who believe in Democracy, it was a defeat for those that use Global Warming as a means for Global Governance. Hail another failure of the far left to control us with propaganda and stupid idiology. Will these idiots ever learn, we don't believe a word that comes out their leftard mouths anymore.

Yes I meant imposed upon them in the home, however when these Muslim Males commit crimes they find out they will get punished under OUR laws. However it doesn't stop them from enforcing Sharia Law onto women and children in Canada. How are Catholic women oppressed? An example of their oppression, their abuse in the name of Jesus Christ would be applicable The following video is actually a live news cast in Saudi Arabia, this is the kind of material that can be found globally in Mosques. There are many that are even more graphic. Domestic Violence is part of Islamic Teachings and Islamic Culture. Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn5M43G1saw&NR=1

Sadly it's not done out of hatred, violence against women is based on the Koran. Here's what the koran says about "Beating Women" also did you read the article on Iran and the leading cleric declaring that women who don't wear the hijab deserved to die. That's the kind of instruction from leading Muslim Clerics that Muslims follow. Here's the quotes and translation from the koran: Question: Does Islam permit a man to hit his wife? Summary Answer: Yes, but only if she doesn't do as he asks. The beating must cease if the woman complies with her husband's demands. Beating is also intended to be the last resort, behind verbal abuse and abandonment. Muhammad, himself, is recorded as physically striking his favorite wife (from her own testimony). It is not known how he treated his less-favored wives. The Qur'an: Sura (4:34) - "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great." From the Hadith: Bukhari (72:715) - A woman came to Muhammad and begged her to stop her husband from beating her. Her skin was bruised so badly that she it is described as being "greener" than the green veil she was wearing. Muhammad did not admonish her husband, but instead ordered her to return to him and submit to his sexual desires. Muslim (4:2127) - Muhammad struck his favorite wife, Aisha, in the chest one evening when she left the house without his permission. Aisha narrates, "He struck me on the chest which caused me pain." Abu Dawud (2141) - "Iyas bin ‘Abd Allah bin Abi Dhubab reported the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) as saying: Do not beat Allah’s handmaidens, but when ‘Umar came to the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) and said: Women have become emboldened towards their husbands, he (the Prophet) gave permission to beat them. Then many women came round the family of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) complaining against their husbands. So the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) said : Many women have gone round Muhammad’s family complaining against their husbands. They are not the best among you." At first, Muhammad forbade men from beating their wives, but he rescinded this once it was reported that women were becoming emboldened toward their husbands. Beatings are sometimes necessary to keep women in their place. Abu Dawud (2142) - "The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife." Ishaq 969 - Commands that a married woman be "put in a separate room and beaten lightly" if she "act in a sexual manner toward others." According to the Hadith, this can be for an offense as petty as merely being alone with a man to whom she is not related. Thus the teachings of the koran clearly allow men to abuse and beat their wives. There are books in Muslim librarys in Canada that describe how to beat your wife, as well as videos. It's part of the teachings of the koran and Islamic Culture Peter wrote: What I did say is " I doubt whether you'd be able to find a single person on the face of this earth who would seriously agree that women are chattel and should be treated as such." Are you serious? A single person who thinks women are Chattel, how about millions of Muslim men. In Islamic countries female children are used as currency, sold off to husbands as young as six. They are currency, millions apon millions of women are forced to live as second class citizens based on Sharia Law. I'd be happy to post a couple of articles on Islam and slavery, the only countries in the world that partake of slavory? Islamic Ones. Here's an article about Saudi Arabia: http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSL12894106 Snippet: RIYADH, Dec 18 (Reuters) - Segregated from men, banned from driving and facing restrictions on travel, work, and even study, many Saudi women attempt suicide to escape one of the world's strictest societies. Saudi Arabia, a conservative Islamic state where clerics demand the seclusion of females, often has an unforgiving attitude to women who find themselves victim to male violence. A 19-year-old woman who was abducted and gang-raped by seven men was recently sentenced to 200 lashes in a case that drew international criticism and tarnished the image of Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Islam, around the world. King Abdullah this week issued a pardon for the woman, in what appeared to be a sharp rebuke to clerics of Saudi Arabia's hardline Wahhabi Islam who dominate the judiciary. But the pressure of their closeted lifestyle in Saudi society forces women to live in a world of their own, often making the anxieties of adolescence or ordinary family problems harder to bear. "I was desperate back then because of family problems. My mother got divorced and I had to stay with her while my two older brothers stayed with my father," said Maha Hamad, a 23-year-old student who attempted suicide two years ago. "I faced too much pressure from my mother in everything I do in my daily life. It was impossible for me to run my life without her dictating to me what to do and what not to do." Suicide is strongly proscribed in Islamic law, and hospitals often register suicides as "misuse of medicine" thus allowing cases

Human Rights don't appear to overide Cultural Beliefs, if that were so women wouldn't be living under Sharia Law in Canada. Unwilling or willingly, like it or not we are allowing certain cultures to practice subjugation and oppression of women in the name of religions. It's going to get worse.

Pacifist = Coward, they use their pacifist mombo jumbo idiology because the lack the moral where-with-all to do what needs to be done. Our Military fights whilst the cowards beak off in their basements screaming War Monger. They accomplish nothing, they receive my utter scorn for their lack of spine. I'd like to see what they'd do if someone tried to take their Game Boy or Ipod from them using violence?

I agree, 14 is better than 16. Frankly I'm at a loss as to why so many forty year old men want to have sex with a female child. The internet is crawling with creeps looking to pry on young girls, it's not much but it's better than nothing.

Yep it was yet another waste of our taxdollars by the idiots who blame a piece of metal for the actions of a human. Guns don't kill, people kill. I remember a quote from a book that basically stated once the Government unarms it's people they become oppressors of those people. One only has to look at the facist oppressive far left to see they could easily rule this country one day. I want my rifles should that day ever come to be.

Great post Rue. I believe he MURDERED her because his religion teaches it's acceptable to beat women and children in the name of Allah. For someone to place their hands around another's neck and choke you to death tells me it was coldly executed with pure hatred and anger. We allow freedom of Religion in Canada, perhaps we as a society need to dictate to the Feds what we will accept as a Religion. Islamic Countries are getting more oppressive everyday towards women, Radical Islam is growing with a fevered pitch, at this rate women will be nobodys. Iran has declaired the word female to be Un-Islamic thus women will be called "Families". The mad Mullas have relagated women into nothing, and they won't be happy until women are forced to live underground lest they offend these male vermin. The latest out of Iran: http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Relig...=1.0.1687095144 Snippet: A top Muslim cleric in Iran, Hojatolislam Gholam Reza Hassani said on Wednesday that women in Iran who do not wear the hijab or Muslim headscarf, should die. "Women who do not respect the hijab and their husbands deserve to die," said Hassani, who leads Friday prayers in the city of Urumieh, in Iranian Azerbaijan. "I do not understand how these women who do not respect the hijab, 28 years after the birth of the Islamic Republic, are still alive," he said. Again tell me again what he did wasn't about the teachings of Islam but a parenting issue. Sure, yep.

That is the most absurb assertion I've ever read, for gawds sake people commit crimes for money, for greed, because they are scum bags who want power, for revenge etc. It has nothing to do with "Mental illness". As for reconizing greed, envy, jealousy and rage dah they are emotions not "Mental illnesses" how can you diagnose an Emotion prior to a crime? How do you know punishment and retribution don't work, we have never tried it in Canada. The leftards scream for rehabilation and they are the ones the politicians listen to. If I had my way the little scum bags would be putting sand on the highways with their lips. We coddle criminals in Canada, people like you are the problem and your solutions are assinine and boarderline retarded.

So have the four posters above decided we can't discuss the original Opinion? Perhaps Charles might ask you to stop hyjacking threads with nonsensical posts.

LOL should the British people get on their knees and grovel with thanks Lazarus? England has bent so far over to accommadate their minorities that it's culture has almost disappeared. The people are starting to fight their governments socialist stupidity, hopefully it's not to late.

Personally I consider the complaint with the HRC to be a constitutional issue, we are suppose to be allowed freedom of expression. There was no hatred or call to violence in the quotes at Maclains, none. Yet a political arm of Islam is using our socialist nanny system to silence any voice that speaks out against Radical Islam and Political Islam. Here's an article that details what Polical Islam is doing, surprise it's happening in socialist England also. Link; http://pajamasmedia.com/xpress/rogerkimbal...g_soon_to_a.php Snippet: Last summer, Cambridge University Press announced that it would pulp all unsold copies of its 2006 book Alms for Jihad: Charity and Terrorism in the Islamic World by Robert O. Collins, a professor emeritus of history at the University of California, and J. Millard Burr, a retired employee of the State Department. Why? Becuase Khalid bin Mahfouz, a Saudi banker, filed a libel claim to quash the book. According to a story in The Chronicle for Higher Education , Cambridge instantly capitulated, paid “substantial damages” to Mr. Mahfouz, and even went so far as to contact university libraries worldwide to ask them to remove the book from their shelves. They seem to have been successful in their request: I have searched high and low for the book in academic libraries and public libraries and have found that, although it is listed as “not checked out,” it is nowhere to be found. Suppressing books he doesn’t like seems to be a hobby of Mr. Mahfouz’s. His web site lists successful actions against three other books Reaping the Whirlwind: The Taliban Movement in Afghanistan, Forbidden Truth: U.S.-Taliban Secret Oil Diplomacy and the Failed Hunt for Bin Laden and Funding Evil: How Terrorism Is Financed—and How to Stop It. As Robert Spencer explained in The Washington Times, one notable feature of Mr. Mahfouz’s legal actions is that he has sued various American authors in Britain, where libel laws favor the plaintiff. Britain’s libel laws have given rise to the phenomenon of wealthy “libel tourists,” who sue there on the slimmest British connection [e.g., the fact that a book may be available through Amazon.com] in order to ensure a favorable ruling. Mr. bin Mahfouz had the good fortune of having the case heard by Judge David Eady, who has a long history of strange rulings in libel cases — rulings that generally ran in favor of censorship and against free speech. In connection with another of these rulings in May 2007 Continued at link above.

Bang on, they knew what they were doing was wrong. Little scum bags deserved at least five years in jail.

August wrote:In any case, I'm speaking about the Left's apparent silence about the treatment of women in Saudi Arabia compared to its loud protests about blacks in apartheid South Africa. I agree however that the two situations are far from being comparable. The left don't care about women outside of Canada, the feminist are more concerned with doing studies on the "Glass Ceiling" and other hard hitting issues like funding Studies on Women and how "Natural disasters effect us". SOW serves no useful purpose outside of doing stupid studies on stupid issues. The average female loaths feminist, they are useless political mewlers.

Yep, I see no difference between a Classical Liberal and the current PM. That's a good thing.

After reading this current article I'm convinced this child was systematically abused by her father. In Pakistan, if he were charged at all, he'd do six months in jail. That's it six months. The most recent study out of Pakistan is here: http://www.zeenews.com/znnew/articles.asp?...=LIF&sname= 71% of males feel violence against women is justified. No it's not a religious or cultural issue, sure yep. Regarding the assertion that we are "Racist" for blaming the teachings of Islam for her death, how utterly retarded. Men like Lazarus are the reason women are being beaten in the name of Islam, he's more concerned with race relation than dealing with violence against women in the name of a God. If we try and discuss barbaric cultural practices it's deemed racist by small minded men like him. The issue of domestic violence get's shoved back into a drawer lest we offend bastards like Lazarus. I am sick to death of posters like him shoving racism down our throats, how is it racist to demand that our immigrants practice our laws and not barbaric cultural practices. Women have very little value to men like Lazarus, race relations is more important to vile men like him. For some Muslims their faith is their culture, can people not understand that. There is no line of demarcation between the two, they live every aspect of the koran. This type of Islam is often called Wahhabi Islam or Salafism, we cannot cow down to these versions of Islam in democratic countries. If we do we are subjecting women and children to 7th century laws, how dare posters like Lazarus try and shut up dialog on a religion that considers women property and worth half the value of a man. I wish the leftards constantly shouting "Racism" "Racist" would STFU, you are the enemy of every freedom loving female alive. Here is a link to the most current update: http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/284824 Snippet: When Parvez's home life turned violent this fall, she fled to a shelter, returning home only after receiving a letter from her family. It described how her parents couldn't eat or sleep while she was away and allegedly noted she didn't have to wear her hijab any more if she didn't want to. Wendy Horton, executive director of Etobicoke's Youth Without Shelter, said that while she's shocked by the level of violence in this situation, she isn't surprised by its root cause. Parents who want their children to remain faithful to old world ways are often at odds with kids growing up in Western society. "It creates a lot of family tension," Horton said. "And youth finally end up staying with their friends." After a few weeks at home, Parvez's situation turned dangerous once again and friends helped her find another place to stay earlier this month. A Peel school board spokesperson said school staff had been aware of conflicts within the family but nobody had any inkling the troubles would lead to a deadly end. Board spokesperson Sylvia Link said something would have been done if anybody knew the teen had been threatened or had reason to believe she was in any danger. "That's part of what grief counsellors are helping students and staff deal with — a sense of incredible guilt, that somehow they let her down," she said. "Counsellors are telling them the person responsible for this violent crime is the person who committed this violence. "Anything they did was based on their understanding

If the victim is a female or a child the offender is usually treated with kid gloves, frankly I'm beginning to believe gender equality is just a smoke screen. The judges sentencing males to jail with lenient sentences sends the message that we aren't as important the perps rights. It's a global issue and the victims are repeatedly revictimized in the name of Justice, no such thing anymore for children and women.

Well Trudeau was a socialist head case who didn't care what anyone outside of his beloved Quebec thought. He was an elitist socialist fool. He was voted the most disliked PM in history wasn't he?

I also think of Vimy Ridge, but then again that wasn't foreign policy. Can we really be surprised at the results, our children are being tought indoctornation in schools not education. Our media never reports anything positive on Iraq, all we are fed is more anti-American propaganda.

I wish I could state I'm shocked but I'm not. Muslim women in democratic countries are not treated as equals, our laws don't protect them from their culture. In Norway they are discussing amending their laws to consider "Culture" as a mitigating curcumstance when sentencing men for Honour Killings. We must eradicate the Liberal Idiology of "Reasonable Accomadation" because it subjugates and discriminates against immigrant women and subjects them to barbaric Sharia Law. The liberal left seem proud of their Reasonable Accomadation and for this women and children get battered and murdered. Multiculturalism is the reason women are dying, we tolerate barbaric cultural practices because the Left force us to. Until the left change their idiology women will die in Canada and children will be beaten. I have no doubt the system will treat this man as a "Victim" of our culture and the child that was beaten to death will be forgotten. The left will line up to pander and appease the Muslim Community instead of using this as an example of what WE won't tolerate. Another Political Cause for Political Islam to declair its self a victim of our culture. A link to the Norway story: http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2007/11/...should-get.html Snippet: In the public debate the most strict punishments are called for so-called honor murder. Tor Erling Staff (lawyer at the supreme court) is, on the contrary, quite clear that honor must be an extenuating circumstance when giving out sentences. Staff thinks that Norwegian society has betrayed men from other cultures who had come to Norway. In a book published this week, Staff says that those who commit honor murder in Norway should get a reduction in sentence. If two people are sentenced for murder that according to the law should be punished in the same manner, Tor Erling Staff thinks that the person who can show that he killed his wife on ground of honor, should get a lighter sentence. Staff says that if a murderer should get 17 years in prison, a man who murdered his wife on the grounds of his family's honor should get two years reduction.

I concur, sadly the oil industry owns the patents on just about every idea for alternative energy. We don't stand a chance of changing our dependancy on oil unless we negate the oil industrys right to own tecnology that might exists as alternative energy. They have scientist working day and night think up pie in the sky tecnology on the off chance someone might find an alternative to oil. They own us now and in the future unless we act to negate their "Patent" rights of ownership of "Ideas".

Mr. Coyne is bang on, they should not have the power to investigate hate "Speech" because it's under the criminal code. It should be a police issue if someone lays a complaint of "Hate Speech". This organization has far to much power, and they are hearing cases that are outside their mandate in my opinion. If radical Islamists can attack a magazine or a media personality for an "Opinion" none of us stand a chance, and that in a nutshell is their goal. To silence the opponents of Polical Islamists and they are winning.

Writing about Political Islamists and Radial Islam isn't a hate crime, but I'm sure the radical Muslims will make sure any conversation that isn't PC will cease. More blather slather and appeasement at taxpayers expense to shut up those that see what's happening. Sharia Law anyone lest we offend. On a side note, when England was debating their hate legislation a member brought up a valid point: The koran is a book filled with hateful violent surias about Jews and Infidels ergo the Muslims went batty as per norm and the Koran is exempt from the legislation. They are allowed to preach and teach hatred but a writer must curtail his words lest he offend those that offend the rest of society. I wonder would a complaint made against the Koran be accepted as "Hate Mongering"?

Mike's ideas are absurb, to state we don't need an airforce dah. We need one, but the Liberals felt buying antiquainted subs was more important than heavy lift helicopters. Rather brilliant, no gas is needed because they aren't fit to sail. All that gas money saved. Our troops currently depend on our allies to get us in theater, I guess getting a reputation of being poor beggers is better than no reputation. Welfare for whomever wants it, dah that's already happening.

There are Canadians that blame everything that ails this planet on the US, sad sacks. For some the US has become the Devil, I generally shrug off these sad sacks as pityful greenfaced fools.