Moonlight Graham

The Trudeau gov is too busy making the Saudis PO'd over human rights accusations (which will accomplish virtually nothing) to be PO'd that the Saudis have been jacking up OPEC and Saudi oil production in order cripple the Canadian oil industry (among other Saudi competitors). OPEC is a pact of oil-producing developing countries formed to use leverage against Western oil and political interests, and it works. We need to wake up to our competitors.

Did we do business with the Nazis? Probably.

Hatred is emotion. Emotion blinds logic.

Nazi Germany? The USSR?

That's not true at all. https://youtu.be/4-2nqd6-ZXg?t=291 I'm not worried about losing a ton of manufacturing jobs, i'm worried about China becoming a global superpower and surpassing the USA. Then we won't have much leverage. Imagine what will happen when China's 1.4 billion domestic population becomes not poor and able to buy the things that they manufacture instead of just us. We won't be needed nearly as much, and they can demand compliance. Now China is starting to create the things that they manufacture. Cellphones (Hauwei, OnePlus), laptops & servers (Lenovo), they now own the appliance division of General Electric (washers, dryers etc). They've stolen Tesla IP and want to be the world leader in EVs. Before it was us who created the products, and they would built it, and us who bought it. More and more they're creating it, building it, and buying it themselves.\ Asians don't suck at math LOL. Soon they'll be world leaders in IT, like Japan was. And we'll be buying their stuff. Like we bought Sony and Panasonic and Honda and Toyota. Because it will be good and cheaper than anything we can produce. Since everything is smart tech now, they'll be able to have mass surveillance on us and their own population. Like a fascist dictatorship. Fun times!

They're going to war without trying to not seem too much like they're going to war. If they were smarter they'd be even less aggressive economically. They would stop stealing tech and stop announcing they want to rule the world. They're playing the long game. Soon enough they will own King Dollar and many of its subsidiaries.

So what would your response be?

The Chinese are extreme nationalists, for the most part. So much so they are fascist. The "Chinese Dream" is national rejuvenation, not individual success as in America. Everything for the state in China: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-22726375 Canadians don't need to give everything to the state, they just need to be loyal. Ultimately it's not about nationalism, it's about survival of our way of life and our security and maintaining control of global politics by western democratic countries. If you want a fascist totalitarian country with no concept of human rights to be running the world, that's your choice, i know you don't want that.

Exactly. I would just go well beyond what he's done, but then again he wants to win reelection. Short term market pain would be bad for that. He can do whatever he pleases in the 2nd term if he wins.

It's not about race. It's about which country you are loyal to. I have nothing wrong with Chinese-Canadians who are loyal to Canada. I have Chinese-Canadian friends who are. John McCallum is a white Canadian who is in China's pocket and not loyal to Canada. And he was fired for it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCallum#Ambassador_to_China_(2017–2019) Apparently if you stand up to China and demand loyalty from migrants you're racist. This is why we don't. I never supported neoliberalism. But yes they were wrong, but for reasons they didn't expect. And now the left wants more globalism in trade and criticize people like Trump for wanting to limit some of the free trade because its "racist". Interesting times we live in.

If you don't want to trade with tyrants and regimes with bad human rights records then you won't be trading with most countries in the world. If you want to impose western political priorities on developing countries then you also risk acting imperialistically. But then again, you don't want to make jerkhole countries rich (which is most developing countries), nor do you want to keep poor countries poor. Tough situation.

Well we'll see, at least Trump seems to have their number. Trudeau licked their boots but I think his tune is changing. He was forced to fire that traitor John McCallum.

Maybe, I read it yesterday, maybe they were wrong. Every city has a Chinatown...

Ok. NATO could defend against them in an attack, but it would get messy. They want the economic war, not us. We just want to trade and get rich together, we've been naive to think they wanted the same.

You're right about that. Big 5th Column in the West. China has the largest diaspora in the world out of any country. Obviously not all of them are loyal to China, I have many Chinese friends who don't like that gov, but many are loyal, and many don't have a choice but to be loyal. Look at all the Chinese-Canadians who protested in defence of China when the whole Hong Kong protests happened months ago. If you refuse to spy on Canada for the China gov, they threaten to make your family in China disappear. If you tweet things critical of China they visit your family in China. We have entire cities in Canada dominated by Chinese-Canadians, are they all loyal to this country? We have an entire province becoming Chinese, are they all loyal? Canada doesn't demand much loyalty. It's a post-national state our PM says.

Right now Xi's foreign policy is economic domination. Invest in everything, buy up natural resources, spy on countless corporations and steal their secrets, then use that stolen IP to create cheap tech in order to dominate the IT industry and control the digitial landscape. Cellphones, 5G networks, laptops, servers, electric vehicles, anything. Mass control, mass surveillance, mass spying. They don't seem interested in military encounters (yet), other than dominating their region. Taiwan, Hong Kong, Japan etc. But overall they don't seem interested in following the USSR route yet. They probably want to built up their economy until they are so far richer than the USA that they could then built up a military that is unstoppable and it would be too late to stop. If the status quo continues, which they're counting on, they'd be able to do that in a few decades. They've been rising economically at an unparalleled rate since the early 1990's. There's no need for a military encounter. I would propose to limit and undermine their economy in every way possible.

Please stop being sexist against men. I was saying these things well before COVID-19 existed. It's not a knee-jerk reaction, it's based on decades of evidence. If you want to blame the patriarchy, blame Xi Jinping for wanting to take over the world. Granny maybe you'd like to bake him a pie or knit him a sweater LOL (i kid, I kid). You still never answered what you'd do against the Nazis. Apple or cherry pie for Hitler? LOL. https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnmauldin/2019/11/12/chinas-grand-plan-to-take-over-the-world/#68d6c7195ab5

There's only one dictator out there who wants to dominate the world as official party policy and is projected to be able to do so within a few decades. https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnmauldin/2019/11/12/chinas-grand-plan-to-take-over-the-world/#68d6c7195ab5

That's what economic sanctions are.

Answer the question please. China are the Nazis of the 21st century. Bent on world domination through national and cultural rebirth/resurgence. A brutal totalitarian dictator in a country with no concept of human rights with massive global power on track to eclipse the USA is not a good combo. We shouldn't appease them or help their rise. They'll make us yearn for the good old days of the "evil" American empire.

What would you have done vs Hitler, when peace was impossible?

I get your point. Trump is patriarchal, but interestingly enough he's probably the least militarily aggressive POTUS since WWII. I find that odd for a man who tries to manhandle world leaders with aggressive handshakes. Anyways, I don't want to lay a finger on China, not one bullet. If you're offended by my aggressive language you should be aghast what China does, and what they will do when they are the world's largest economic power. They're already pushing us around and silencing Western human rights critics, and making the families of ex-pats in Canada disappear when someone raises a peep.

Trudeau probably going announce soon some measures that he should have put in place 2 months ago. And that he wears panties.

He called me one too. Not sure what it means but it sure hurts my feelings.

Actually I don't think I own Lenovo since they're Chinese, not sure how much im invested there. Probably have some IBM. I have no idea I don't buy individual stocks.