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Thanks.... In hindsight... I would have done as you suggest.

If you think there is something "Other" then post the "Other" Choice. I don't know what "other" thing could happen. Either she will keep her job or she won't. But if there is some "Other" outcome can come up with ... then let us know what it is.

Doesn't sound like she is fit to be an MP, but perhaps she is fit enough to be a Conservative MP.

Ah, Oda is the truth teller... thanks for the update.

Funny, Doesn't seem Guergis is welcome in the Conservative Cliques. Who went bananas and kept her out? continue blaming of others for Conservative Transgressions and Decisions. What else is new.

Would that lead to a Forced Resignation ?

And yes, I get the gist of your reply to Mr.C. Hypocrisy to the fullest, and I understand the point you were making.....

Been everywhere and on both sides of the fence in both Union and Non Union Shops. Hard Work is a myth. Productivity is not. Don't perpetuate more myths. Especially since you work in a protected industry.

Simple straw poll... Lets see if the MLW punters get it right again

Agreed

Wafergate? Joke Guergis? Ask Harper, its was him who turfed her. Raitt? She was stupid. Oda? NOT!

Mr Canada must be very very old. Most of the programs that benefited lower working class and misguided youth of the 60s to the 80s, which ultimately created the wealth and better life many of them hold today, including a nest egg for retirement, where diminished and eliminated by most governments of the 90s. Todays students whom go to post 2ndary are coming out with HUGE MASSIVE DEBT and job prospects in a decent field of study that pay Minimum, just above minimum, or commission sales that will take many many years to build until sustainability is achieved. They will be working poor for many years even if they do end up earning a good living, they will have debt and accumulated interested that will take over a decade to repay.

The % on minimum wage far exceeds 4%. I would like to know where that fig comes from. Considering most of the jobs created over the last 1/2 generation have been part time. Its an interesting stat and I am sure that it came from somewhere, but doesn't reflect what is really happening. It is quite possible that if a company uses 700 fulltime temps, and pays the agency $14 to $17 per person, whereas the worker gets minimum wage, that this skews the numbers considerable. But that is just one element. And "minimum wage" has many "Lower tiers" where the minimum wage is far less then what people believe. Especially when we bring in Foreign workers on Agency contracts. It will be 1 or 2 and more if the children are of age to work. Its not a bad thing to see the kids picking strawberries or working at Tims/McDonalds...but when I see kids looking for work, cause both mom and dad lost their jobs and maybe he can find some work, then you can start to see the pressures on the family. traditional probation on minimum wage work has moved into the 2 year bracket in many locations. Sometimes 1 year, sometime 2. But honestly, if you work somewhere for 2 years and get off the probation nad move to $14, the % of people who continue to work on probation is in the 96% range and that can continue to infinity as I have seen people working "on probation" hoping to get hired for over a decade in service working side by side another employee who makes $18 to $20. Only to find that "long term" probationary employee training a new employee , (Relative or Friend of a secure employee) to then start work immediately at the full rate and no "probation" not even 3 months. However probation is an arbitrary word. I find every day is probation and termination can come at anytime for poor performance. Probation is just something people understand, and is sometimes used as the benchmark to receive a higher wage or benefits. Again this has moved up significantly, while some have 6 month, its often much higher now. You hit a big one there. In downturns, people tend to turn to those that can help them the best. And that is often, THEMSELVES and Self Employment simply exists as people need to exist. And yes that self employment is often below the minimum wage or steady hours, until something is established for long term sustainable work or contracts. I call that the slow burn, to avoid losing your house. But once that happens, your income an assests have diminished. Ironically, in the midst of the Recession, the Conservative Government Cut off funding to the Self Employment Benefit Fund, that was administered through EI. The program "existed" there was just no money in it? Why, the CONS gave the EI FUNDS to the banks, and to large profitable corporations closing down here and setting up operations in Mexico and Offshore. The Libs are guilty of the same thing. But the some of the Cons here are so "full of it" I am tired of their rhetorhic and bashing the working poor. Thankfully, not all the Con supporters in this thread are complete assholes and respect those trying to carve out a living and do those jobs that pay low, are physically/Mentally demanding and have to be done at all hours of the day and weekends.

Stephen Harper/Jim Flaherty Robbed E.I. And that was Legal if not morally wrong. The GST was Biggest CONSERVATIVE tax Increase in Canadian History!!! Mulroney had a Decade of Properity and ran the Highest Deficit in Canadian history, UNTIL NOW! No But Mulroney he walked us into the 2nd worst recession and at that time the worst recession since the Great Depression. The markets collapsed, and then with the Liberals Expanding FTA To NAFTA, helped gut the Economy creating Permanent Closures vs Boom and Bust traditional cycles. Like these band of Globalist Free Traders is any different. Pure nonsense. Only if you believe propoganda.

I know this one Bev Oda

The poll asks "Who will win". I am going to reserve my vote for a bit until I see some more posts roll in. I am laughing about a couple of the NDP posts above, and I think that was the intention. While the NDP roots came out of Alberta, its been many many many decades since they held the populist appeal. The populists have not turned to the NDP and the NDP has not harvested the populist vote because there is always something fresher growing in the Alberta grassroots that sprouts up to uphold Albertas traditional populist core. The Liberals have the same problems. Something new will take hold before the traditional party rises up. Lots of new parties have sprouted out of Alberta, and that trend is likely to continue. There is a place for all these diverse opinions, and regardless of Alberta maintaining long running Majority Governments, when the winds of change blow... just look at whats happening on the ground and not a party banner. I am still checking out the seeds.

Not sure where you live. But this is exactly what the employment is in my region. Its very common and it is NOT illegal. Especially for Elect to work employees, or larger corps who have legal permission. And of course anyone in Trucking has been working 60hour weeks at straight pay for as long as I can remember. Regardless, we have around 800 temp agencies in the region scooping up the gravy making around $5 to $15 an hour off the backs of their employees. I know of many "Temps" who drive 55 minutes to work for their shift and get sent home before the shift starts. Then are asked to come back the next day at 11pm and sent home again, then asked the next day and are kept for 4 to 8 hours. Works out to alot of driving and not alot of pay. Regardless 70% of new employees are created as fulltime temp, elect to work employees. THere is usually 3 levels of employment structures. And much of HR is outsourced either out of country, to places like Central America, and the rest through the agencies. And then there is a firm, who manages in between the company, the Agencies, and the Foreign 3rd world Papershufflers. My Experience with this very popular model used by many many companies is that you are correct. It doesn't get "Good results" or High Productivity. But who cares? Its "cheaper" in their minds, the marketing of the agencies is brilliant, even if it costs a hell of a lot more in both the short and long term, the fact is the responsibility is removed to someone else. I can compare this model to many other superior models, but this is the model adapted by most industries and service sectors. Disposable Labour Force. Cheap labour. Big Profits for Agencies. The work gets done in the end. Is it better? I don't think anyone really cares as it is the model of choice. Pay an agency to send you 20 warm bodies. They may send 25 cause they aren't sure if everyone will show. Then Send 5 home. Whether they work 60 hours or 2 hours makes no difference. And no their isn't going to be overtime and hours are shuffled and averaged. Often even if overtime is to be legally paid, anyone who challenges will spend 1 year in the system. And will never see work again. And you may get your $80, and the company will get fined $150. Holding onto peoples pay and charging them to collect it is another cool trick. Imagine if you were charged $20 every two weeks to receive your pay. many charge a rate of $2 per day of work. Also, pay them for your gloves, your ride, your glasses, and I have seen some people come home with $36 after a 12 hour shift. Good stuff.... I have seen Millwrights travel monies and premium pays swallowed up by the agencies. The company will pay the agencie these perks, thinking its goes to the workers. It often does not. Its a great way to make skilled trades, "The working Poor" There are more working poor today then every before. Many work in very profitable companies, and then go to Food banks, where that very profitable company has donated some of their products. Its kinda disgraceful, but then again. People tend to be good natured, dedicated workers not wanting to cause trouble. The Working Poor should not be shit on. They are "Working" they are poor. I would never crap on the person who smiles and serves me coffee everymorning. But one jackass on MLW wants to ship her up North. And obviously has no idea of the unemployment rates or cost of living in Northern Ontario.

Read the argument. Makes as much senses as accumulating everyones accidents during their driving career, rather then removing it from their record after 2 years. Impair Drivers fall under a different category and are part of the criminal code. Yes those drunk drivers could receive jail time for under 2 years, and other more serious offenses over 2 years. I could see how this would skew the numbers for early parole. However, the bottom line is that someone sentenced to a Provincial Jail is NOT going to a Federal Jail and this the data on Federal Prisons is Correct.

Way off topic. Conservative tactics have been to shift the topic of discussion to mask Odas Transgressions. Regardless, Mulroney was Exonerated too... However, some like to beat a dead horse on something that they piggy backed on to get into office. Now that they are in office. Their poop has no smell. Circle the wagons for Oda Why? I am not sure, a dirty blue "swayed " shoe could get elected in her riding. Turf Oda out of Caucus! Anyone in the real world would have been terminated for such actions.

So who does Oda point the finger at who falsified NOT into the document? And which Oda lie is not a lie and which one is not?

The "Working Poor" should be sent to Forestry in NW Ontario? Collecting Pinecones and Planting Trees? Seems they could have a full time job rounding up nuts on MLW.

Then don't accept the practice of forgery!

I think its a simple as you put it. (As for Garth Turner, LOL, he is a different kettle of fish, and I think Garth is proud of any organization that turfs him lol) But Bill Casey definitely didn't deserve to be turfed because he disagreed with one policy that was reversed and affected his constituents directly. Yes it was a budget, and good for him for holding his ground. The price he paid reflected more on Harper then on Casey.

Read the article. The Condensed version.... ODa Falsified and Fabricated then Oda lied. Pretty simple stuff.

The Level headed Conservatives have headed for the hills on Maple Leaf Web. Meanwhile, the spinners will be posting anything to distract from Oda, until the storm blows over. I have no idea why they didn't "Cut Bait". She or anyone else could win as a Conservative in her riding. Oda is not an important person. Just a liability.