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Thanks, I'm sure everyone here is aware of the law in Canada as it now stands. The conversation that I am trying to have is that I think a fetus should have rights after a certain level of development. Opposable thumbs? haha What do you think the war amps would think of that criteria? haha omg..

I believe in a balance of the two. DNA and environment. Certainly if you DNA says you are going to be a certain blood type, you will get that blood type, regardless of 'environental' influences. your instruction booklet/car metaphor is a new intellectual low

wow, please show me where I said I disagree with a woman having the right to abort a zygote? Thanks for proving my point that the radical 'pro-choice' people ignore science in their effort to 'prove' scientifically, mind you, that abortion ir 'right'. I think a woman shuld have the right to choose, up to a certain level of development. Please try to see past the end of your nose. and btw, you are quite right, conception is way over rated. lol

wrong on this count too. People who said that if there were restrictions on abortion it would be the same as letting eggs going unfertalized and sperm from masturbation would be murder. That's how this all came up. really. That is why we went down this rat hole of which, you are the johnnycomelately - pardon the pun. I am done with this conversation, my point has been made and I have backed it up something you two have not done. Both of you have only attempted to move the goalposts with yoru pedantics. Everything I have said is verifiable and factual but I am done teaching you anatomy and biology 101. You go ahead and continue to think that sperm will produce without testes - it matters to me not. I only question what other intellectual gymnastics people will perform to make reality fit into ideaology. It makes me shiver when I think about it. You and your ilk are a new-found creationists. congratulations.

a sperm is living tissue - same genetic make-up as the human it came from an egg is living tissue - same genetic make-up as the human it came from blood is living tissue - same genetic make-up as the human it came from a fertalized egg is a unique life - different genetic make-up. growing, expanding, metabolizing on it's own, all things that blood, eggs and sperm do not do on their own. me make simple so you understand. Still don't get it? I will let a person with more letters behind his name than mine, answer it for you: my point all along.. thanks,

Well if you guys are serious about getting it legalized, you can cut out the 'police state' rhetoric because right away you lose me and 90% of the voting populace. And I smoke it!

Ok, so it is ignorance. An embyo does self replicate, it's called cell division. It replicates and gradually becomes more and more specialized. It is a life, on it's own and unique from the mother in whom's womb it resides. it is unique and it is growing. I am not the one tied up in knots. The definitions are clear despite your inability or unwillingness to understand them. By your two definitions, sperm are a 'life' therefore testes are no longer needed to produce them, right? That's what you said, so it's only logical - amirite? lol Same logic, no need for ovaries to produce eggs anymore, because the eggs are a life form and therefore can grow and reproduce on their own. lol Are both sperm and egg living tissue? of course. Are they seperate lives in and of themselves? not a chance. All the link I supplied and definitions that there are back me up. You two, conversely, have supplied nothing other than pedantics. carry on if you must. I will run and get you a larger shovel.

Wow, that's what I thought when I read your grade 2 'thesis' glad I was able to return the favour.

That's the resort I am forced to take to show you how silly your simplitic arguments are. What happened to critical thinking? Of course sperm and eggs are living tissue! It is not however, a 'life'. Holy crap people, seriously... can you guys not keep up or what? Does a foot feel and react to stimuli or is it the nervous system it is attached to? Do you think sperm and ova self generate or are they produced from the human being they are invariable attached to? What do you think the primary function of the testes and the Ova are? They are there to produce copies of the human life they are a part of and to pass it on to make a new life! That is their purpose! I really cannot believe that I am arguing this with seemingly grown-up people? Does your liberal beliefs on abortion blind you to scientific facts and the defitinitions in a dictionary? Are you two going to continue with your ridiculous ascertions and tell me that my sperm are a life of their own and are just as 'human' as a fertilized egg? serious? I mean, according to you two if I lost my testes I wold continue to produce new sperm from the sperm that was left there, right? Because they are 'alive!' hahaha un real.

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Speaking of off topic forums, perhaps we could have a special section for pot heads? It could be placed right beside the sport of competitive eating and snowboarding. Thanks!

wow, and you have problems with definitions. The are biologically programed to find each other to make a new life. They do not reproduce on their own, nor do they grow. If they do not find each other, then yes - they are dead. Both eggs and sperm are genetic code and instructions of the person that made them. But they are only half of what is needed to make a new life on their own. If they do not join forces, they cannot make a new life. Normal people above the age of 15 know this. Why you keep insisting on going down this rathole is a mystery to me, especially with how foolish you are making yourself look to everyone. The Sperm and Ova are carbon based biological excrements who's mission it is to make a new life. If they do not successfully join up no new life is made. They are incomplete on their own having only half the ingredients needed to make a new human life. Again, please refer to the definition of life that I provided to you (from a dictionary no less), and tell me how a sperm and a fertlized embyo are the same in regards to the aforementioned defintion of 'life' I'll tell you what, if you are successfull I will lobby the dictionaries of the world to change their meaning of life for you. LOL

I have 3 acres of lawn too Argus!

also, while making of fun of NB for being a 'welfare' province on the one hand, you are asking for welfare on the other. That's kind of a strange 'position' to take is it not?

ummm... I hate to point this out but.. woman's tennis? hello? Morris? You home?

LOL, and you know the difference between war crimes and asking Israel to withdraw from occupied territories they won in a defensive war? I actually agree that they should withdraw and I believe they will, but note this, it will be the first time a nation has had to give back territory won in a defensive war. Seems fair right? Well 'fair' was thrown out the window a long time ago. Fair in the ME is a fantasy, nevertheless, Israel carries on the just hopes for peace and to protect it's citizens the best they can while treating their murderous enemies with the utmost of medical care and human decency.

Aww.. I's got called a racist and a bigot. how humbling. I judge people by their actions. The Arabs are the aggressors here, there is no question about it. Why else did Arafat walk away from the Camp David accords without even offering a counter proposal? Think about it? He didn't even make a counter offer? There are various thoughts as to why he didn't, one is that he could have been scared for his life should he have actually succeeded and accepting a Jewish State in the middle East. Others think it was because he wouldn't have been able to keep squandering the 100's of millions of dollars that he stole over the years, still others think that he never wanted peace in the first place and used the whole excercise as a PR stunt. The end result was the same, he walked away and immediately gave the orders to start the intifada and the rest is history. So if the PA leadership was interested in peace why do you think they did this? They are interested in peace alright, as soon as Israel is no longer a Jewish state. That's the 'peace' that they are interested in. Egypt and Jordan have both signed peace accords with Israel, much to their credit. They have recognized Israel's right to exist as they are as a Jewish state. All of the other actors in the region - have not. Israel also reacts in a very subdued and careful way when it is trying to protect it's citizens. It's Supreme court is the only one in the world that is able to shape military policy for it's armed forces while in a war. This has never happened before in any other country. It also has the most stringent anti-torturing rules in the whole world. It affords it's arab citizens full citizenship while it's neighbours like Jordan actually has laws that no Jews are even allowed there. And you still insist on seeing both sides through the same moral compass? That tells me your moral compass it broken - yet you call me the racist and bigot. That's laughable. The Arabs in that region use the Palestians are a bargaining chip hoping to make the ME 'Juden rein' and you are too blind to see it. That's fine - but don't call me a racist and a bigot for stating the facts. (which you are free to counter if you can but you are more likely to resort to insults and name calling as there is nothing I have said that is not true).

What does this have to do with the price of tea in China? You saw the merriam webster's definition of life right? You read that? The fact that you think sperm and ova are 'alive' after all this tells me that you don't care about science in the least. Look, it's just a fact. Did you not have the birds and the bees conversation yet? When the sperm joins with the ova the 23 chromosomes that each carry join together to make a unique 46 chromosome human life. This then starts to grow and cells divide becoming a unique organism. It reacts to stimuli, it eats and produces waste and it requires all of the nutrients and necessary biological inputs that we do. It is a fact that this is life from the very defintion of the word. I am not saying that it is wrong to abort right at conception or the morning after pill, I am not saying that. What I am saying is that 'life' begins at conception. The debate we were having before we went down this rat hole is when does that human life become a 'person' in the legal sense of the word. Currently there is no biology involved in that discussion. I think biology should be in involved in the discussion about when the fetus becomes a 'person' in the legal sense of the word. Perhaps at 4 months of development? 6 months? I don't know, but I do know that this should be a part of the discussion. Please do some homework so you can keep up and join in it with us. If you insist in repeating that 'life' does not begin at conception than you will tell everyone that you are not ready for that discussion yet.

Agreed BD, however others brought it up. Life does begin at conception and I find it incredulous that people would blind themselves to this fact to make their 'side' feel better about themselves. It is the ultimate in intellectual dishonesty. Or perhaps they are just that dumb, however - I doubt it.

taxes, foreign investment, shareholders. you have brought a swiss army knife to a gun fight whowhere. lol

uuhh.. by definition, an 'average' would take into consider 'population growth'... An obvious lie. The World is MUCh richer than it was 100 years ago by any measure you choose. life expectancy? check infant mortality? check disposable income? check people living below the poverty line (as defined by the UN in constant dollars) check. What measures are you using besides your rectum? The only way inflation 'kills' whatever wealth you have is if you keep your money under the mattress.

definitely a sports section. you could break it down by sport. makes it nice when a major sporting event comes up. will probably help to lighten the mood around here.

No we do what's in Canada's best interest to do, sell our Oil for the best price possible. you don't like paying for it, you don;t have to. Don't ask me to subsidize your poor decisions.

care to prove this?

hahaha And if Quebec got just the amount of money that they sent to Ottawa - they would be in some very serious trouble! haha whowhere, you should go do some learning before trying debating.