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How can you claim it is untrue? (when it is so, like, true)

Only because it burns more efficiently. Ironic that the liberals want to put a new tax on a more efficient fuel and NOT put a new tax on the more inefficient one, that being gasoline. It's fun watching you contort logic to fit liberal policy jdobbin.

However, I would love to see the look on Layton's face when Harper announced that Canada is purchasing 10 of the latest American strategic bombers. haha

Per litre it is already more expensive than gas. With the green shaft, there will be even more of a gap between the two thereby discouraging people from buying diesel powered vehicles which, ironically, produce less GHG emissions. Isn't it ironic? Alanis should update her song.

Yes, but I am saying that the F-35 could perhaps do as an effective job. maybe not a dozen, but perhaps 6. F-18 are multi-role fighters, seems to make sense to replace them with multi-role fighters and that is the F-35.

some facts on both the F-22 and F-35. My only point is some of the increased cost for the F-22 are not reflected in the performance. A Hydrogen fuel cell car today costs over $200,000 and in 5 years will likely work better and cost much, much less. We have to be careful when procuring something on cost alone. More expensive doesn't always mean better either. ( I do appreciate your point of Canadians cheaping out on the military however) F-22 Raptor Role: air superiority fighter Builder: Lockheed Martin / Boeing Variants: YF-22A, F/A-22A Operators: USAF The F-22 Raptor is the world's first stealth air-to-air fighter. It is developed to replace the F-15C in the air superiority role. The F-22 is the first production aircraft with the ability to super cruise – flying at supersonic speeds without the use of afterburners. The plane's builder Lockheed Martin Corp., has built several F-22s for test purposes. Most are at Edwards Air Force Base, Calif., undergoing a series of tests. Last year the pentagon approved production plans for an initial batch of 13 production aircraft. Recently the designation for the Raptor was changed to F/A-22 to indicate the possible air-to-ground role of the aircraft. JDAM bombs can be carried in the internal weapon bay, while the optional external pylons offer a more flexible station for air-to-ground armament. Specifications: Powerplant: two Pratt & Whitney F119-P-100 turbofan each rated at 155.69 kN (35,000 lb st) with afterburning Dimensions: length 18.92m (62 ft 1 in); height 5.00m (16 ft 5 in); wing span 13.56m (44ft 6 in) Weights: empty more than 13.608 kg (30,000 lb); Max Take-Off Weight 26.308 kg (58,000 lb) Performance: max level speed at optimum altitude Mach 1.58 in supercruise and at 30,000 ft (9145m) Mach 1.7 in afterburning mode; service ceiling more than 15,240m (50,000 ft); g limit +7.9 Armament: one 20mm M61A2 Vulcan six-barrel gun with 480 rounds; 2 AIM-9X Sidewinder IR-guided missiles in internal side bays. Up to 6 AIM-120C or 4 AIM-120A AMRAAM missiles in internal fuselage weapon bays or 2 AIM-120C AMRAAMs and 2 GBU-32 JDAM bombs or 2 GBU-30 JDAM bombs. Up to four fuel tanks and up to 8 missiles can be carried on optional external hardpoints. (Reportedly there are plans for a F/A-22C with larger weapon bays capable or carrying a larger selection of Air-to-Ground weapons and weapons such as the AGM-88 HARM). ------------------------------------------- F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Role: multi-role strike fighter Builder: Lockheed Martin Variants: F-35A, F-35B, F-35C Operators: USAF, US Navy, US Marine Corps, Royal Navy/Royal Air Force (UK), (Netherlands, Turkey, Italy, Israel, Australia) The F-35 will be the result from the Joint Strike Fighter program. The aim of the program is to develop an affordable next generation stealth strike aircraft for the US Air Force, US Navy, US Marine Corps and the United Kingdom as well as other US allies. The program enables various forms of participation for the candidate export countries, ranging from 'informed partner' to 'major participant'. Boeing and Lockheed Martin were the two competitors in the Concept Development Phase (CDP). The Boeing Corp. designed and built the X-32 prototype and the Lockheed Martin team developed the X-35. The X-35 concept by Lockheed Martin was selected as the winner and the program has now entered the Systems Development Demonstration (SDD) phase of the JSF program. Lockheed Martin leads a development team including Northrop Grumman, BAE Systems, and Pratt & Whitney. Lockheed Martin brings in advanced technology experience, stealth technology and other technologies and experience which it has gained during F-22 research and development. Northrop Grumman offers tactical aircraft knowledge, stealth technology and carrier suitability. BAE System provides expertise and experience with short take off and vertical landing (STOVL) technology as well as advanced subcontract management. Pratt & Whitney is the builder of the engine which will power the JSF which is based on the F-119 turbojet from the F-22. To forfill the demands of the main contractors three different variants are developed. All versions will have a common structure and have the same fuselage and internal weapons bay. They will all three be powered by a F-119 modified engine. All variants will carry the standard designation F-35. The F-35A is the standard variant with conventional take off and landing developed for the US Air Force, the biggest JSF customer. The F-35A will replace the F-16 and the A-10 aircraft currently operated by the USAF. The F-35A will probably also be the most exported variant. Possible export countries for the F-35A include all current F-16 Fighting Falcon, F-4 Phantom, F/A-18 Hornet operators, such as the Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Norway, Turkey, Greece, Israel, Australia, etcetera. The F-35B is the STOVL variant of the JSF. The F-119 is modified using the experience of BAE Systems based on the Rolls-Royce Pegasus engine from the AV-8 Harrier. Unlike the Air Force variant the F-35B carries no internal gun and the air refuelling probe is located on the right side of the forward fuselage instead of receptacle on the top surface of the aircraft. The main customers for the F-35B will be the USMC to replace the F/A-18 Hornet ands the AV-8B Harrier IIs and the United Kingdom to replace the Royal Air Force/Royal Navy combined Harrier force of Sea Harriers and GR.7s. Other future customers can include Spain and Italy which also operate the Harrier. The F-35C is a modified design which enables the JSF to operate from aircraft carriers using conventional carrier landings and capapult take off. The F-35C internal structure and landing gear have been strengthened to handle the loads associated with catapult launches and arrested carrier landings. It has a larger wing area than other JSF types with larger control surfaces for better low speed handling. Like the F-35B is has a refuelling probe instead of a receptacle. The US Navy will be the biggest customer of this variant. The F-35C will complement the US Navy fleet of F/A-18E/F fighters by replacing the F/A-18 A+ and C Hornet currently in service. Future variants might include two seat trainers of each variant and possible modifications for export customers. Specifications: Powerplant: one Pratt & Whitney F119-611 turbofan probably producing between 34,000 and 40,000 lbs of thrust with afterburning Dimensions: X-35A: length 50 ft 6 in (15.37m); height ; wing span 35 ft 0 in (10.65m) X-35C: larger wing span Weights: unknown Performance: max level speed unknown; service ceiling probably more than 15,240m (50,000 ft); g limit estimated at +9 Armament: one single-barrel Boeing Advanced 27mm cannon, primary AAM for defense is the AIM-120 AMRAAM of which at least two will be able to be carried in the internal weapon bay. The AIM-9X Sidewinder can only be carried on external additional hardpoints or on the wingtips, not in the internal weapons bay. A large variation of A-G weapons. Of which at least two JDAM GBU-31 (USAF, US Navy requirement) bombs or GBU-32 (USMC requirement) will be able to be carried in the internal weapons bay.

lol

I used to play hearts of Iron 1 & 2 quite of bit. I am a total war series fan as well. Looking quite forward to Empire Total war due out in Feb.

edited. not worth it.

I think the F-22 is the air superiority fighter and i don't think any other country will be able to have these for a few years after the USA get's them. The F-35 is the all around version and some say just as good but has multi-role capabilities. And it is much cheaper. (not the first design savings). That will be most likely what Canada gets, not the F-22.

Umm.. The US civil war was one of the bloodiest wars of all time.. but whatever, if the enemy doesn't have slanted eyes I guess it doesn't count as a 'real war' in yoru books eh? speaking of books, you should try reading some. preferably the History one's.

Canada's Harper? I thought it was Harper's Canada?

Sure does. I hate tent camping, but I have been to all 4 Atlantic proinves this summer on at least overnight trips in hotels, motels or cottage rentals. My bank statement reads like a map of obscure places in Atlantic Canada in which to use your debit card.

No, from what I can gather, your diagnosis is that whatever the USA does it bad, even when it is good. Then there are alot of yada yada yada's and so forth. Heck, you hijacked this thread about a war between Russia and Georgia and all you can do is talk about how bad the west and specifically, the US is. Not all things are about the Great Satan, myata. This one being one of them. Perhaps you should attempt to stay on subject. There are already a plethora of 'Great Satan' threads, go play in the mud there.

Believe you me, the stink from the slaughterhouse won't do any thing to up the sexy index for Winnipeg. Winnipeg already has it's warts, give it to brandon or something

But without a submarine presence in the Arctic we can't even detect when our sovereignty is violated. Makes it hard for us to be a pain in the butt if we can't even see the hemorrhoids.

Agreed Argus. You seem to be concentrating on Army and Airforce though, I think we need a major investment in our Navy too. Nothing makes the papers like a sunken ship We also need nuclear powered subs in a bad way. edit to add - Also greatly expand the Northern Rangers program both in numbers and ability.

Here's hoping! I love elections.

So anyways, anyone go camping this summer?

really? So what was your opinion on cutting the arts funding and the literacy funding? What was/is your opinion on that? I think you are, as usual, being more partisan than consistant. or you could prove me wrong.

So I guess he isn't Bush's lapdog then?

Godspeed army guy

That's just being progressive jdobbin. There are alot of expat Quebecers in Calgary now. They should be able to celebrate too, no?

Agreed. However, I think McCain is likely going to win.

haha Mine as well. You would, however, be forced to agree that Anti-Americanism as a defining Canadian trait would be a more common, uniting trait than regionalism - with the possible exception of Quebec and Alberta. There are more Anti-Americans in Alberta than there are Alberta seperatists. It is more 'main stream' and 'PC' to be Anti-American than a seperatist - despite our regional differences. There, that is what I was trying to say. All the more reason,, in my mind, that Harper is hoping Obama wins in November. If Obama wins, it will dampen the howls of Bush lover and Bush lapdog that the far left likes to try (with some success) and tar Harper with. One less influential weapon with which to paint Harper as not your tyical Canuck. That's my take anyways.