Black Dog

Yes I'm sure the people who kept other people as property were actually quite reasonable.

Lying again, huh. This is a very poor effort even by your pathetic standards. Nobody said no women or children were killed, we're talking about specific incidents involving atrocities that Israel claimed took place that you and other stooges enthusiastically parroted and have subsequently been proven to be false or at least uncorroborated. Your pitiful attempt to shift the goalposts here says a lot about the quality of your argument and the veracity of those claims.

What a surprise you can't answer a simple question. Well they lied, repeatedly and enthusiastically.1 So again, you cant actually provide any specifics. Well, there's two ways to look at this. Either you're referring to the Palestine Authority Government of Gaza which is Hamas (and thus rendering your statement redundant) or you're referring to the Palestinian Authority of the West Bank, which is under Fatah (formerly the PLO) which is a mortal enemy of Hamas and has acknowledged Israel's right to exist so I guess it's up to you to decide which way you want to be wrong here. i would say Israel genocidal aspirations are more of an issue than the Palestinians' at this point.1

Thats not what genocide is.

LOL, the Palestinian Authority embraced Hamas? What alternate reality are you operating in? I'd be unwilling to accept anyone's word as gospel here, but a documented liar like you doesn't get the slightest benefit of the doubt. "40 beheaded babies" was bullshit. So were the "babies in the oven". So was the "pregnant woman beheaded and her fetus removed." When was the last time the people of the west bank were threatening Israel? So? There's virtually no violent resistance to the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and guess what? They're still illegally occupying the land and attacking the people there. Pot, kettle. Again, Israel's continued occupation and annexation of the West Bank shows this is not the case. There's no security justification for Israel to support settlement building, but they're doing it anyway because they feel like it.

This is f*cking comical. You don't see big pro-Israel demonstrations for the same reason you don't see big pro-police demonstrations; no one protests in favour of the status quo. Also comical that people are still pushing this type of atrocity porn long after so many such cases have been debunked. Right let's ask the Palestinians in the West Bank how not resisting the occupiers has led to peace and security for them.

Damn why'd they set up shop in such a dangerous neighbourhood in the first place? Will Israel accept the Palestinians' "right to exist?" Of course not.

Have you ever read Marx?

Well if that benzo-addled crybaby whackjob is your guy it's no wonder you're psychotic.

Actually murdering all the slaveowners and colonists was good. When did they decide to do that, exactly? And you keep hyping up white people accomplishments even though you've achieved nothing on your own. Get f*cked with your KKK crap.

Actually white people (specifically, the French) kept Haiti in poverty by siphoning billions of dollars from its economy as "reparations" for property the french lost in the Haitian revolution (including enslaved people). Guess you didn't learn that at Cracker School. The thing that cracks me up about racists is the extent to which they take pride in things that aren't accomplishments (like their skin colour) and in actual accomplishments they had nothing to do with.

Spanish people aren't Europeans now? They really should take your husk off life support, there's no activity in that cranium.

So how'd they build longhouses, totem poles and fleets of war and transport canoes if they didn't have lumber or tools? Magic? I don't think you actually know any history but i expect there's lots of things that didn't get covered when you went to school in the 1930s. This dumbshit has never heard of smallpox.

Ooooh wow a university! And yet now you do nothing but suck on right wing propaganda all the live long day because at the end of the day you just want to hear what you already think echoed back to you. Nope, didn't say that either. And? Do you think being a product and beneficiary of colonialism (or captalism or whatever -ism you want) means one cannot critique or question it? I'm hear to tell you you're arguing with phantoms. You can't produce a single example of me saying any of the things you say I said! You didn't say there was a connection between early settlement and current immigration, you literally said they are the same thing. They are not, though immigration can be a tool of colonization. Lol you're getting more unhinged the longer this goes on. Many such cases.

If you think the Indigenous people of the west coast didn't know how to build house, use tools, or engage in trade until the white man came along, you know less about Canada's history than my toddler.

Not many extremists think they are. But you've admitted yourself you are steeped in what I would say is right to far right media, I doubt you read or engage with ideas from the left at any point taht aren't filtered through your media bubble. More strawmen, it's like you're incapable of engaging real people. Unreal. Where'd I do this? Be specific. You equated colonial systems with individual immigration so yeah it's fair to assume you don't understand the subject. Ah yes the old "you criticize society yet you live in society" gambit. And? You mean other than living on the land they colonized and within the institutions they created? How quick you are to claim the rewards while denying the costs. Ah so the ends justify the means. Here we have it.

What opinions, specifically? Can you articulate what I actually believe here or are you just attacking the strawman your all right wing media diet has made for you? I'm a middle-aged man with a job, a mortgage and a kid. Has the possibility that not everyone of your socioeconomic strata shares your opinions and values, or that you may not actually represent "sensible people" ever once crossed your mind? Of course not; you're a zealot. Fallacy: affirming the consequent. Whether they came with the intention to kill or erase culture is beside the point (though I'd argue that killing and erasing culture was actually the explicit goal of the settler colonial project). People are judged by their deeds, not their intentions. They took a lot more than that. Those are definitely a bunch of words. They have zilch to do with the subject at hand, but there are lot of them. "Zeal"? "Lack of self awareness"? My dude you are barking at the moon here. i'll refer you once again to my first point above wrt strawmen.

lol not an argument! you're just throwing random terms at the wall now.

This is utterly fatuous, flattening everything to vague ideas and ignoring the actual context. You cannot talk about past colonization without referencing the European competition for territory, resources and prestige that drove it. It had very little to do with "doing good things." I also fail to see any commonality between "we need to colonize foreign lands and convert savages to our faith by the flame and sword" and "we should promote immigration so we have enough people to work and maintain our standard of living". It's also nonsensical to refer to contemporary immigrants as "settlers" unless you're one of those crack-brained "great replacement" theorists. Again, I have no idea what the f*ck you're banging on about here.

Wrong and your chosen examples illustrate why. The filles du roi was an explicitly imperialist/colonialist project designed to increase the French population and assert French claims over an already occupied land. How individuals participating in that project viewed themselves is irrelevant. No foreign power is paying today's migrants to come here with the explicit motivation of occupying the land and asserting a claim upon it. Wtf does this have to do with anything?

What are you even talking about? I think your conflation if immigration and colonization is bizarre and ahistorical is all. I mean, if you want, but my handle has nothing to do with race.

But you're really only talking about *some* Europeans here.

And I'm entitled to call that belief racist. Which it is. Anyway there's nothing intrinsic to white people that makes them the greatest makers of doo-dads and gadgets. Yeah white racists love the Japanese for some reason, which is funny to me.

TFW you don't know what colonization means. I'm not joking when i say you need serious psychological help.