Who's Doing What?

I have yet to hear a satisfactory answer to this question. How can you deal with someone, who believes they will be rewarded by god for killing you? This is what we are up against. There has never been an enemy like this in the world. Did you know that Bin Laden has "God's approval" from a young muslim cleric to kill 10 million Americans. Whaaaaaaaaaa?????? That's right. He has already been given permission, from god, to kill 10 million people. Anybody who thinks diplomacy will ever work with these people might as well just turn back to their crack pipes and fade away.

The bloodiest campaign in Canadian military history? ????? Vimy Ridge? Juno Beach? I'm sorry did I dream those up? Get a freakin' clue for **** sakes.

*Yawn* Are you still here?

I sure hope not.

Without sounding rude, the King and Queen of England never had to think about getting kicked out of their home, over a land claim and can afford to be as understanding and compliant as they want. I would not vote for a govt that said it was going to "buy off" the natives by raising my taxes. Would you? I was only using Jesus as an example. I don't follow a faith and I make no bones about it. Look at what religion has done to the world. For every educated, saved pagan there is a hundred dead, in the name of that same god. As a jewish person you probably know better than most what religion can bring. As it was the sole criteria needed to be considered beneath worthless and systematically destroyed by the Nazi's. Not the first time that particular religion was persecuted. Plus there is the slaughter of potentially more Jews than were in the Holocaust, under Stalin in Russia. Why? Because of what they believed. The king solomon reference is an accurate one but you are looking at it the wrong way. When there is so much empty land in this country why are native insistant on populated areas? Want 5000 sq km? Sure, anywhere where the population density is less than a reasonable number, say 20 people per sq km. Hunt, fish, be merry. Have sunrise ceremonies, and pow wow's, and feasts and sweats and fasts, go nuts. You want to preserve your way of life. Close to nature. Living off the land. So why would you even want land in or near a city? Why the densly populated land? With so much other land available, why insist on what it already being used to such an extent? Why? Ancestral land? I've heard that. I've also seen plenty of Natives quite happy on non-ancestral land. Isn't the claim it is all ancestral land anyway, and that is why it is owed to them? Then there is the method. Using tactics that are only a technicality and an expolosive device away from terrorism, doesn't make many friends. You want to make people support the cause and get the govt in gear? Quit selling smokes and other crap to the non-natives. Call them "economic sanctions". Natives seem to insist they are their own nation anyway. This is how nations deal with each other. Much better than inciting entire communities into riots. My friend and I, are thinking of claiming some land out between his and my parents land. How long do you figure our roadblock will last?

Bull****! Enlighten me as to how I am responsible for the genocide of Huutu's and Tutsi's? Or how my existance is linked to the sexual assault rate in south africa? Perhaps it was my life which caused the drought and famine of the 80's? Unless your parents were Nazi's or Germans that knew what was going on, why should they feel guilty? You need a reality check.

What's hearsay is your claim the Catholic Church gave an appology for what went on in the Residential schools. Prove it. Post a link. More hearsay is the mass graves of half-breed babies who were fathered and killed by the priests. Prove it. Post a link. I know terrible things happened in the residential schoolos. I know a survivor, who 60+ years later is still overwhelmed when they talk about it. But I didn't do it. And I'll be damned if someone is going to make me feel guilty about it.

Does not the Native claim to the lands stem from originally being given them by the Great Creator? Are not all the lands sacred for this reason? How well would you get along with me, if my family was laying claim to Toronto because "Jesus gave it to us, and told us it was ours"? How can any meaningful discussion occur when one party feels it is divinely entitled to what is under dispute?

Oh no another charge of Racism. Not on these boards. And yet setting a minimum quota for non-caucasians, is perfectly OK and in no way discriminatory. Why is it that most people seem to think you have to be white to be a racist?

Nah, lightning strikes are done at a higher level and the Pope has better taste. Leftists dispise the Pope as he stands for the ethics and morality they shun. Too bad, really, that they cannot diferentiate between being secular and being immoral. Being amoral does not mean you are secular. I doubt I am a Leftist and I don't like the pope because he is nothing more than a figurehead of a currupt institution, that uses religion as its sheild to further perpetuate it's own wealth and exercise it's will upon the masses.

I ridicule all faiths. I find all are tailor made to control the weak minded, the scared and the ignorant masses. How much blood has been shed in the name of your god Rueful one? OMG - we have found one commonality/opinion that we share. And you managed to remember to type it out - in two sentences You that hates the role of memory. . . .congratulations! one step at a time! However, neither you or I know if Rue is religous. Somehow i doubt it. Where did I ever say I hated the role of memory? If you insist on fabricating things people have said, do it to someone else. I've played broken telephone. I know how bad things can get messed up. Then there is the issue passing the knowledge. An early or untimely death can create gaps in the history. Gaps which must be filled by the next generations best guess. I believe I pointed out several areas in the bible where simple translation errors, have had dramatic impact on the story. The city of Atlantis is another mystery that wasn't as much a mystery as it was two errors in translation which in turn perpetuated a myth that had people looking from the carribean to the middle of the Pacific for a lost continent. The point is, if such errors can occur when there is already written text, how bad is it going to be when nothing has been written down? I would say human memory is flawed, unreliable, impressionable, and easily manipulated. But I do not hate it, or it's role. You see... "I remember Buffalo, It would seem to me, I remember every single ******* thing I know." Tragically Hip, 100th Meridian

I am not a Catholic. However, that post is gravely distressing, childish and insulting. There's no reason for that. No reason for him to stick his committee appionted self righteous nose into Canadian affairs. Screw him and the pomp surrounding him.

I ridicule all faiths. I find all are tailor made to control the weak minded, the scared and the ignorant masses. How much blood has been shed in the name of your god Rueful one?

The pope can blow me.

You need to re-read all of Tsi's posts. Try and put the foolish statements at the end of long winded posts and maybe people will bother to read more than the first few lines.

Hey Kid. I would not brag about that if i was you. It shows just how ASSIMILATED YOU ARE. So much for freedom of thought and expression on your side. You dont have any. Keep kissing the preachers a$$ . . . the church and state. Its your only source of identity - a moron that worships morons. Ya people who believe in Jesus are so much more foolish than those who believe they can shape shift, or that they are linked spiritually with an animal. I laugh at you.

What a moron, eh? She thinks she can rattle a couple of ghosts...... Keep trying.....I want to keep laughing...... O:nen Laugh all you want. You still aren't getting MY land.

You assume I belive in that BS. You are almost as pathetic as Tsi.

This joker says Catholics practice canabalism and he says Riverwind spins tales. LMAO Tsi, I sure hope for the Natives sake you aren't the cream of the crop.

Maybe I came to my senses and realised most of it is pure Crap. You know, like what comes out of your mouth. Keep trying though sooner or later you will have to hit on something you have a clue about.

Have to say I've lost a lot of empathy since reading some of this stuff and elsewhere, it sure has opened my eyes. Obviously, you never had empathy in the first place. Empathy is not self seeking and does not cater for vanities. Empathy is like a sponge - you soak it ALL up, get to know it and dont judge it. It is only then you might . . .. and only might start understanding without any reward whatsoever. However, you would then have a clear picture of justice and injustice. ________________________________________________________________________________ _ By the way you guys with the short attention span. It was told about 10 minutes of reading ago in this post that shape shifting is to do with a body manouvere and strategy that was taught to the army seals (soldiers) by some s/ns to surprise and kill members of the governments enemy. It is an army tactic. Now all of you, do yourself a favour and go drop a couple of acid tabs. It might just wake you up. We might even find you have an imagination afterall . . . .However id bet you would never make the grade of sheer and outright common sense. ___________________________________________________ To the aspiring SS guy who could never make it, including managing an erection and growing out of dypers. The reason for your problems is this: You are simply a spoilt pampered little baby that has never had a fight in his life and that has a closer than normal relationship with his mother. Im sure it puts a smile on her face. How on earth are you going to get laid otherwise? If you truly think that is what is meant by "shape shifting" you need to read Carlos Castenada. He believed his teacher Don Juan, helped him turn into a bird.

Sorry to burst your self-righteous pronouncement but it is not all about drugs or sensory deprivation. Maybe in your world with your concepts and the limited knowledge you have, where you choose to see things in a particular way, you feel any other way of conceiving reality can be dismissed with such an explanation, but for some of us who try to genuinely listen and learn from others and discipline ourselves to listen more then we preach, we come to different less simplistic conclusions. Before you dismiss shape-shifting or any other aboriginal faith practice or belief, and make obnoxious comments about dogs and shaymen, rest your mouth, your self-righteousness and your arrogance and presumption you are superior and know the truth for just once. Your anger coupled with your lack of awareness of aboriginal spiritual practices and your hatred for aboriginal customs is clear and transparent and of course it makes you blind. Yes in your world blind men can't see colours so colours can't exist. Oh how simple. Your brain can't conceive of shape shifting so it can't possibly have any validity because I mean we all know you are God possessor of universal truth and if you say it aint so, well it aint so. Excuse me if I don't worship at your feet. What is a true shame is that what you may never understand that blind people can learn to understand colour even though they don't see it.. but you would need to sit and learn from a blind man to understand that and something tells me you are not someone who is prepared to do that. You are too busy snickering with self-righteousness and the conviction of your beliefs. Aboriginal faith beliefs are based on intricate, complex concepts and a method of learned disciplined exercises not drugs. More to the point, even though you try write them off, modern Western medicine, the same medicine you will go running to when you get sick, is now learning to understand and incorporate such principles when treating patients. I doubt you would understand it but Western culture is one of a very few on this planet that is fixated on the physical and seperating physical phenomena from emotional and mental or psychological (psychic) phenomena and emphasising all believes based on the aquisition and control of physical material. In your world of course you need drugs to think in alternative forms but in the majority of societies, they do not need drugs. Then again I doubt you know anything about Taoism, Hinduism, Shintoism, he Wickans, or so many other belief systems or even the great mystic traditions of your own Judeo-Christian religious roots. Aboriginal concepts are based on ancient methods of using the mind and emotions and not seperating them from the physical body you seem to think is distinct. It is as simple as that and yet it is precisely its simplicity that makes it far too profound for your mind at this point to grasp. The majority of cultures on this planet subscribe to similiar beliefs. It is we Westerners who have chosen to isolate ourselves and fixate on here and now and materialism including trying to accumulate and control material as a means to define our wealth and power and that is precisely why you live in a toxic evnironment full of crime and disease and have the audacity to think it makes you superior to aboriginal belief systems. Now as for your comment; Try understand this if your hatred and contempt can subside for just a second. To be a Shaman you must be willing to study and learn and commit your entire life to constantly learning and respecting that which you can not understand and learning to not be afraid of anything and give in to the temptation to need to label everything and have an answer for everything. ... clearly something you stopped doing years ago...so before you call yourself a Shaman look in the mirror. All you are is someone ridiculing something you can't understand. Here is the point. One day as you lie on your death bed and have to go through the passage of death, you will be forced to deal with the concepts you now ridicule and are afraid of and deny through ridicule. At that time people like Tsi will not seem so foolish to you anymore. You know its one thing to debate land rights but when you turn it into ridiculing a man's spiritual beliefs it becomes ugly and dooms you to self-destruction. Sorry but not all of us Westerners share your hatred and I am grateful for what-ever I have been able to learn (and still struggle to learn) from aboriginals on spiritual concepts. Blah blah blah blah blah. Listen Ruefully Lacking in intelligence: I have heard the talk of the "RED PATH", as the Right path. I have listened to hate filled racist natives as they blabber on about how terrible the white man is, on numerous occassions. I have witnessed how quickly the facade of friendship falters as soon as treaties are mentioned, to a native. I have also done more spiritual experimentation than likely 90% of the people on this board. Native, bhuddist, hindu, christian, new age. Just what type of mysticism do you want to discuss oh ruefull one? Perhaps it is you who needs to You have no idea what a unique position I am in on this topic. I would have a lot more sympathy for the natives if I wasn't accutely aware of how much hatred they harbour for the "white man".

Why don't you turn into a bird and flock off then? He can already turn into a bird and fly circles around you. To bad you are too angry to see that. I know he can go in circles. That is all he ever does on these boards. Repeat the same completely wrong BS again and again and again and again and again and again........ Nice to see he has a groupy. He needs one. It is harder to be laughed at when you are alone.

Why don't you turn into a bird and flock off then?

Ya you would have to be confused and hysterical to believe you can change your shape.