Who's Doing What?

As we sadly add up the dead soldiers that are fighting in Afghanistan, it is easy to become discouraged. As each new flag draped coffin arrives on Canadian soil, it pains each of us just a little more. But I think we need to remember something. 2,752 Innocent People died in the Twin Towers on Sept. 11th 2001. (2003 revised figures.) Our troops are over there fighting to keep that kind of thing from happening here.

Canada has a right to control trade through its territory - that is the law. If Six Nations respects the law then they will have to sit down and negotiate a free trade agreement. If Six Nations chooses to violate Canada's territorial rights by smuggling goods then Six Nations is the aggressor. So what would Six Nations do: respect the law and negotiate a free trade agreement or use violance to take what they have no right to? You mean like the violence the Canadian government used at oh,Oka,Ipperwash,Caledonia???What if we white boys did the smuggling.i'd fight oppression in ALL it,s ugly forms.The american south was full of people like you,HEY! guess what,THE BLACKS GOT THE VOTE.Welcome to the twenty first century riverwind. Oh wow another one that gets taken to school and starts crying "Racist".

Go try and evict a few people, and we'll see how long you stay recognized.

Well I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the Queen is your Sovereign! She is the head of state of Canada. The Canada you thought was sovereign is only autonomous and subject to the Crown!!! You recognized her sovereignty every time you voted!!! Do you want to put the queen's right to rule this country to a vote? We are a democracy after all. The queen is barely a figurehead in this country, and she holds no personal sway over any politics. That goes for your following post aswell. You don't get it do you? You already are under Crown sovereignty! You are only a parliamentary democracy but a constitutional monarchy. The Governor General is the Crowns representative in Canada. She's not marely or even barely a figurehead she's Boss! She is also Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. You really should look into your political system you're so proud of! Here's a link to her roles and duties so you don't have to take my word for it! http://www.gg.ca/media/fs-fd/G1_e.asp No you don't get it. It is in title only. She has no power. Did we follow britain into Iraq? NO! If the people want to "Officially" get rid of the monarchy, the poll I posted suggests it would be gone. If the Queen actually tried to force our govt to do anything, the monarchy would be gone in a heartbeat. OOOOOHHH What is big bad England going to do? Conquer Canada again? When the link between Canada and the Monarchy becomes an issue, it will be severed. It has been said plenty of times that if the natives hadn't of fought with the british that Canada as we know it would be part of the United States. Ok lets look at that from another angle. If the British had not faught with the natives then Kanata would be part of the United States. How would you like to be dealing with George Bush? How about you owe Canadians because they fought and died for you.

If you think that free education, free health care, and tax free income on reserves is genocide, then I believe you've insulted every oppressed person in the world. It's a filthy disgusting lie to blame Canadians for the state of affairs of your people. We gave everything, it's all be squandered. Indian Affairs has a budget that could afford to give each Indian $10,000 a year. Yet poverty still exists. How is this even possible? You should have two choices, and we need a government that has the determination to stand through with this. Become independant, and shoulder your portion of the national debt and get no further aid. Or, become equal to Canadians. I can't believe you think your being ethnically cleansed. I can tell you Hitler never gave the Jews free school or health care. Who has ever tried to remove your race from Canada? Be realistic, your lies and hyperbole are as insulting as ridiculous. There you go taking things out of context again. Here is what constitutes genocide under the criminal code. (2) In this section, “genocide” means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy in whole or in part any identifiable group, namely, (a) killing members of the group; or ( deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction. You and the others feel that we should give up our lands and way of life and be "Canadians." 318. (2) ( of your Criminal Code says it's an act of genocide. Free money, tax exemptions, and free land is Genicide? Some one had better tell the tutsi's and hutu's they're doing it wrong. This is genocide for those of you ignorant of it. You cheapen it's meaning by drawing a comparison to it. Link

Like your army is doing in Afganistan or like they did in Somalia (where they bound and beat a sixteen year old boy to death)? If you're refering to Oka (the only place there were weapons) we didn't walk into the town of Oka the incident took place and we remained on our own territory. With the exception of our own people there were no civilians near us. Our Nation was under seige and we deployed our army to defend ourselves in our home. The masks were used so they wouldn't center us out like they did with Dudley George. Remember him, he was unarmed? Your a fine example of concern for your law. You feel it should be disregarded where it concerns our co-existence through agreements. Now you criticize us for defending ourselves. I suspect you don't have a clue what went on there aside from the what media put out. The money our communities recieve is from the land that was already purchased that your Crown holds. The land that was taken without compensation is land the stolen land. As you say, get your facts straight before you go flapping your jaws. The more I read your taken out of context mindless dribble the more I feel embarressed for your fellow citizens! Lets look at your agenda; You're willing to commit National and cultural genocide on us in order to force us comply to your demand that we should be Canadians. You wish to cancel the payments we recieve for land sold in the past and still feel you should keep it. You believe Canada owns all of the land and none of it belongs to us. Under your law when you fail to pay a mortgage or rent you are evicted. Refusal to vacate is followed by the physical removal of the former tenant. Yet you feel we are commiting some heinous crime for doing the same. I can see what your agenda is adding up to. So have you been paid for land or what?

Well I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the Queen is your Sovereign! She is the head of state of Canada. The Canada you thought was sovereign is only autonomous and subject to the Crown!!! You recognized her sovereignty every time you voted!!! Do you want to put the queen's right to rule this country to a vote? We are a democracy after all. The queen is barely a figurehead in this country, and she holds no personal sway over any politics. That goes for your following post aswell.

And the difference is? The difference is getting smaller with every militant action. The fact you fail to see this is going to be your people's undoing. There you go trying put words in my mouth again! Did you not read my post about Emily Johnson and Mary Jemison or, did you just choose to disregard so can continue with you hipnotic racism trance you always retreat to when your wrong. Nope must have missed that page turner of a post. OOOOh i'm a racist again am I? That is such a lame argument. That is what everyone starts to cry when they have run out of logical arguments. "Oh your a racist, because of this. Your a racist, because of that." Does it make me racist to defend my home? Does it make me racist to say everyone should be treated equally? Does it make me a racist to say I'm not leaving property my family bought and paid for. It is you who says you are entitled to things, no one else is, because of your race. Not me. So who really is the racist here? It's not my fault you're illiterate and can't follow along. It's all there you just have to read it without trying taking it out of context. OK, but you are the one who said the money natives get, from the Govt. is for land that was purchased.

1st of all I said "beginning to become", I did not say that anyone already was. I would treat the leader of the KKK with less respect than I am giving you. But ofcourse through your eyes all "whities" are members of the KKK aren't they? And then you wonder why no one wants to listen? You can't even keep it straight. Frist, you say you own all of Canada, and the Europeans stole it, or atleast are using it without ever paying for it. Then you turn around and defend the money you receive as being payment for land. What's the story Morning Glory?

You're the one in denial, because you are not going to remove 25 million people from what you imagine is "your" land.

In afghanistan we are fighting terrorists. You know, terrorists, the kind of people your militant brothers are beginning to become? Sure a mask to hide your identity. How Brave! No different than any other punk breaking the law, wearing a balaclava. I hope you aren't one of the smart ones, because your movement would be in trouble. "land already purchased" lmao I thought all the land was yours. So you even want back land you've been paid for? Ya right!!!!

You don't have to be a Canadian to know Kanata is a great country. People visit Kanata from all around the world. From our ancestors to the present our people have given their lives in its defence. The same cannot be said for some of its inhabitants. Under the guise of racism they wittingly seek to commit genocide on the country's indigenous people. They accuse us of thinking we're more superior then they when all the while they are of the opinion that we must conform to their standards. They discuss how easily their laws can be changed at their whim yet, rather than standing up to that government and demanding the imposed tax under the war measures act be abolished they complain that we don't pay taxes. They object to centuries old agreements between our governments that are recognized and affirmed within their modern constitution but, don't seem to mind the agreements with governments of other nations they pour money into. They accuse us of breaking the law while they disregard them. They seek to chastise us for standing up to their government when they don't have the courage to. O.K. deal! You can collect the over $250 billion that a former Mayor of Brantford publicly stated they owe us on land leases in Brantford alone. Thats were the money comes from it's not a "hand out". When you collect it there'll be no need for this conversation. Gate 3 is now boarding for Europe don't miss your flight! I would like to see where the Mayor said this. Don't come on here quoting someone without the actual quote to back your self up. $250 billion OK. And just how much is all the development in and around Brantford worth? $500 Billion? A trillion? What ever you think the land is/was worth it is now worth more because of the development that non-natives have done. The Natives would have to re pay developemnt costs. Can you say trillions of dollars? You can't win this argument. The non-natives of this country have invested their lives into improving and building this great nation, and there is no way they are going to let anyone, simply come in and take everything they have worked for. That seems to be a fact you choose to ignore. Even if every native in the country was mobilized and militarized it would not be enough.

"By Right of Royal Proclaimation" LMAO Hahahahahahahahaha That is about the funniest thing I have heard today. The Queen means nothing to me . I don't recognize her legitimacy of rule over me, or this country. I will not do her bidding. I will not bow to her. I do not believe she is in any way any better than myself just because of who's womb she came from. So, as far as I am concerned, the Royal Proclaimation, whether it was from the Queen of today or a King of 300 years ago, means nothing.

The greatest challenge to little stevie is getting re-elected.All those angry votes against the libs have had a chance to see what a fool Harper is. LMAO Harper is in. He will win a landslide in the next election, barring a Bush-esque Iraq-like disaster. This is coming from a confirmed HARPER HATER. I called him EVIL, SLIMEY, DIS-HONEST, DIM-WITTED and FUNNY LOOKING, but the bottom line is he has done a much better job in producing tangible results than the previous Liberal Govt EVER did. He will have his majority in the next election.

I never advocated violence at all. In fact, I suggested that Canada use a non-violent trade blockade. You are the one who insisted that Canada could not enforce such a blockade because Six Nations has access to Lake Erie. I simply pointed out that Six Nations is a land locked reserve and that the only way Six Nations could get access to the water is if it used violence to occupy terroritory that currently belongs to Canada.As I said before, Canada has no need to use any violence in the Six Nations dispute since Canada has all of the legal an economic advantages. That said, many people in Canada would like to see a negotiated settlement but that settlement is not going include the return of most of the Grand River lands. Accept that principal and you would likely find that the gov't is willing to be quite generous in its offers. Gee Riverwind,your posts sure blow the theory that we need more women in politics because they are kinder and gentler.As for non-violent trade block-ades how are you gonna enforce that with all us white friends of Six Nations running around?As at Oka,Ipperwash, and now Cali the only violence came from the white side.Are you related to Bushes friend stevie? How many "white" friends do you think there will still be when they realize that their land and home is going to be taken away from them aswell? Which leads me to you. "Us white friends". So you are fighting to evict your own family, extended or not, from their homes? What are you thinking?

No but we have treaties and Proclamations that say we do!!! They're better then a deed because they give us TITLE to our land!!! You might as well talk to a post Okwaho. if he started to believe what is true,he would have to question everything he has done in his life,trolls like him don't have the courage to take that journey. Courage? What courage do you have? The Courage to take up arms against unarmed civilians and blockade access to where they need to go? Courage to hide behind masks as you point guns at our officers of the law? Courage to take govt. monies, and then try to weasel the land back you say was stolen? The radicals on this site have done more to hurt the Native cause than any roadblock. With what has been said on this forum, the rest of us now know what the agenda of the natives really is. It is not Fair treatment. It is not simply MORE LAND. The Natives want ALL OF THE LAND, and the feel they have THE RIGHT TO FORCIBLY REMOVE CITIZENS FROM THEIR HOMES AND PROPERTY to get it.

I agree. The sad thing is several other groups do the same. How can I have a meaningful debate with someone who labels me a "Racist"?

Too bad your not Canadian. Because Canada is a great country. HOLD ON ONE COTTON PICKIN" MINUTE!!!!! If you are not Canadian, the country wants all it's money back. The social assistance cheques, mothers allowance, disability pensions, old age pensions and any other money the natives have recieved, INCLUDING the $5 every Native has been recieving every year. So when the Native community can hand back a few hundred million, perhaps as much as a billion dollars, in cash, we can all start this conversation again. Until then YOU are CANADIANS, and should be subject to everything else other canadians are.

1. You are living in the past. I'm sure Russia regrets selling Alaska too. It is simply too late to say "pay up or get out". The world has arrived, and it is not leaving. 2. You speak of all your people shared with the Europeans as you type on your computer, using electricity, inside your heated home, wearing european style clothing, and spending european style money, none of which you would have without the europeans arrival in North America. 3. If it has nothing to do racial superiority, why are only natives given land? It has been shown, Natives are people who came, not only from Asia across the land bridge, but also from Europe.(search:Clovis point) Most likely across the frozen North Atlantic. So if I can trace my ancestry back to those Europeans, or someone else trace their history to the Asians, who first arrived here and became the "Natives" shouldn't I or they also get some land? Since before the europeans came over to North america, the entire population of european humans at one point had only 6 or so women, a lot of people could be entitled to land. Actually if we go back far enough, we're all cousins anyway. So in that light, everyone is just as entittled to the land as everyone else. 4. Staging roadblocks, causing property damage and bullying police, does nothing to further the native's cause. For every roadblock that goes up and zealous non-native that joins your movement, 50 or 100 other Canadians, shake their heads with disgust and embarrassment. I know that if it had been a bunch of Scottish, English and Irish descended Canadians, the military would have been sent in to kick their bloody arses. The cops would have used tear gas and riot gear instead of being intimidated into doing nothing. If the Natives rock the boat too hard you will lose all the extra liberties you have. How would you like to pay Taxes? Or pay for your hunting and fishing licenses? The natives have some pretty good perks, why would you want to risk them? Why would she respond when, as she pointed out, you were rude. There are legal realities here that you seem unaware of. The government of Canada is in negotiations with Six Nations because they have a valid land claim for land granted to them, taken by Canada "in trust", and not paid for. Here's a legal reality for you. Ain't gonna happen. How's that? So when the Natives are done alienating the entire nation and we vote in a govt that promises to "deal with the native issue" and the govt. eliminates all the privilages natives currently enjoy, and does away with all treaties, where will the natives be? The only reason a 300 yr old claim is given any consideration of validity is because enough of the populace believes it is important. If you alienate everyone, you lose the only thing you had going for you. You want reality Who's doing what.Check out Haida Gwi,check out the new treaty with the Niska pardon my spelling,those treaties should be the model.Are you an American?You sound like that great yankee hero custer.Go shovel your B.S somewhere else,your paranoia tires me. Here's reality for ya. Nobody I know is going to let some 300yr old scrap of paper make them leave their homes, when they have a Property Tax receipt for LAST YEAR. Here's more reality for ya. When enough people want to just do away with the treaties, we will elect a govt. to do it. Here's some more reality for ya. If the Natives become even more militant and demanding they will end up with less than they have now. Have a nice reality check.

Our Threats? You're the one saying you will starve us out of our homes.

You don't either live on Nor have a deed to my, nor anyone else's land.

I don't go over to my neighbour and start telling him I own half his back yard.

Are you sure you told these "supporters" about the whole getting evicted from their homes, thing?

From what you are inferring I would think that if you were really pissed, you would end up with the Army and RCMP chasing you across the country.

You seriously think the US is going to risk a trade dispute with Canada, for what little trade the natives would generate?