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That is totally untrue. Left wingers laugh at right wingers all the time. Bush has been nothing if not a joke for his entire presidency. Harper in his cowboy outfit. That was funny too.

Even now there are people who firmly believe evolution does not exist. So what if there are some scientists who say global warming is not occurring? This is getting totally rediculous. Everytime there is someone who doesn't agree with global warming the "deniers" post a new thread and shout victory from the roof tops. Look around you... have you not noticed some weird and crazy weather over the past 15 years or so? Hasn't it progressively gotten more and more unpredictable? Do you deny your own experience?

The 'tax leakage' shows up in two ways:1) Foreign investors don't pay taxes in a Canada and the withholding tax rates are much less than the corporate tax rates. These withholdings rates also cannot be increased easily because they are set by international tax treaties. 2) Investors who hold trusts in their RRSPs defer taxes to the future which reduces gov't revenues today. The rules on income trusts had to be changed. If people really believe that the gov't should reduce taxes on corporations then they should be calling for taxes to be reduced on all corporations. Giving a complete exemption to a single corporate structure is simply dumb. How much is the tax loss is to foreign investors? Does it offset the taxes generated by the additional R&D fueled by IT investment? RRSP's are still taxed eventually. Really, why would it matter what form of investment the RRSP was? Why single out out IT's for taxation?

Explain how there is this "big tax leak" when people who invest in IT's are paying taxes on the income that is generated by the IT's? The money paid to the investors is the same money that would fall under corporate profit is it not?

Doing a bit more reasearch into it. The connection to Islam is - " the ancestors of Mohammed moved from Yemen (then the richest, most fertile part of the Arabian peninsula) where the Marib Dam was fatally breached and not repaired again - hence drought and fleeing of the population - to the area around Mecca. Later with Mohammed came the emergence of Islam." My interest in this was piqued when I read about a mysteriously abaondoned city in Mexico. Then I saw a documentary connecting the two events. Apparently this eruption threw the whole world into disarray. I found that it took "natural systems" a century to fullly recover. That is crazy. A whole century to get back to normal after an eruption that could be measured in minutes or hours. Certainly one of, if not the biggest event in the history of civilization.

Had he been sitting on his hat? Because I'm pretty sure empty rhetoric comes from somewhere else....

I just found it when checking my date for the Krakatoa eruption. Didn't really get right into it.

That is a lot of fancey math. So just what were the 1.45 million in expesnses that seem so conveniently close to the ammount of money the CPC was trying to hide or were to stupid to claim?

Ofcourse that is exactly what she is saying. It was right there in her post.

Such is to be expected.... and laughed at vigorously. As per the thread. Send Trudeau to York-Simcoe, to battle Van Loan. Peter Van Loan CON 25685 47.93% X Kate Wilson .......LIB 16456 30.7% Sylvia Gerl ........NDP 7139 13.32% John Dewar .......GRN 3719.. 6.94% Vicki Gunn ........CHP... 595 ..1.11% My mom lives there and she would love to be able to vote for a Trudeau.

From what little I have heard of him Dion's english although still not very good is already better than it was at the Liberal Leadership convention. I wouldn't doubt he knows that is his biggest stumbling block to getting accepted in English Canada and I would think he is working hard on improving it regularly. I will say that I am going to be paying closer attention to it to see if there is any improvement.

Yes the worlds climate is cyclical and has warmed and cooled hundreds possibly thousands of times before. But to say man has had no influence on the environment while pumping tons of GHG's into the atmosphere is absolutly rediculous. The situation is so complex that to try and explain it is next to impossible. There are so many variables it is crazy. A single volcano can and has altered the entire global climate by filling our atmoshpere with particulate matter and gases. As for glaciers growing in the Himalayas, there is no exact list of what we can expect to occur when it comes to global warming and climate change. What you can expect is severe changes in weather patterns. Drought where there shoul be rain. Rain when there should be snow, or none at all. When Krakatoa blew, (in 535 I believe it was), and altered the global climate for years, Mexico was thrown into drought and Europe was thrown into a mini ice age. Who knows what was going on in the Himalayas? So to be claiming victory because one place in the world is growing it's glaciers while 99% of the world are watching their glaciers retreat at alarming rates is foolish. EDIT: Here is one theory of just how world altering that Krakatoa eruption was. Did a Krakatoa Eruption in 535 A.D. Help Precipitate the Decline of Antiquity and the Spread of Islam?

Credibilty is something that goes way beyond the environment. And as far as I'm concerned his overall credibility has only gone down since taking office.

That scenario is never going to happen. If Alberta wanted to double their price the RoC would get their oil elsewhere. Plain and simple. Where is your increase in GST coming from? You taxing the carbon tax now? Again your DREAM scenario of Alberta doubling it's oil prices for the RoC will never happen. Sure you are...

Holy crap $20 billion was lost!! I didn't think it was anywhere close to that much. No wonder he needs security.

...except for the current PM.

A 100% per barrel carbon tax?? Then it's a 15% per barrel Carbon tax, on top of the 100% per barrel carbon tax??? I think you need to slow down and explain this math of yours to us humans.

I can understand that the "down the line users" of oil products do indeed produce a lot of GHG's, between factories, cars, and other processing that is done to oil to make products. And I agree that they should be cutting their emissions as much as possible. What I'm talking about are the just the GHG's produced in getting the oil out of the sands and turned into a marketable commodity. I just can't see how it is feasible to give a free pass on the emissions from producing the oil and then turn around and hammer the companies producing GHG's by using and producing oil based products. I think the only real solution is to go from top to bottom with the emissions. No free pass to the oil sands, and no free passes to manufacturers either. Strangly enough for a person concerned for the environment I am actually an advocate of proper clean incineration. I think incineration is a necessary fact of life for our crowded planet. The trick is to do it properly so there is little to no environmental impact. Everyting we need to learn how to safely incinerate coal and waste to produce energy is evident in nature already. All we need to do is copy it. I would much prefer clean burning power plants to nuclear energy. I shudder when I think of Chernobyl, or the piles of buried waste that are nothing more than environmental timebombs that will come back to haunt our future generations. Speaking of bombs, I think we would be foolish to think that Al Qeada or some other organization hasn't atleast thought of attacking a nuclear power plant. The more of them we put up the more likely there is to be an attempt. Solving that problem should be a high priority.

How is that any different than the auto industry's pollution exemption and lax treatment under the Liberals. The big difference is that the oil sands is creating jobs, moving Easterners off welfare and providing economic growth to an economy very close to collapse outside of Alberta. Without the oil sands, Canada would be in serious trouble economically and financially right now. You cannot possibly run surpluses, with the ridiculous level of social programs we have, without Alberta money. It's not possible. So I'd be careful before condemning the oil sands. They are the future for all Canadians, it may be all we have left at this rate. All I'm saying with concern to the oil sands is that even though they do generate enormous revenue, are they not one of the biggest industrial emission poluters in the country? If Harper is going to hit them with new emission standards that means added cost, ergo less revenue. It just seems to me that Harper is taking his conservative base in Alberta for granted.

Link Funny I thought Global Warming didn't exist.... Oh well, atleast there is going to be something finally done about it, instead of just denying its existance. I wonder how the regulating of industrial emissions will affect the oil sands?

The CPC likes to wait for their MP's to get elected as Liberals first.

LMAO Maybe once upon a time, but they are a two peas in a pod now.

It's working on mine - thanks for that. I've edited it into the main post as well. The question period starts at around the 2 minute mark. Let me know what you guys think about it. What a joke. Too much wrong to go into.

Problem is even on a good day he still looks "kinda goofy".