Alexandra

You are speaking of those reciprocal rights of Canadian 'fugitives' held by one of our extradition treaty partners, such as - Singapore? Why should Canada honor the rights of a fugitive from Singapore or Malaysia, et al. when those same rights are not honored for a Canadian in many of our extradition partner countries? `

What legal or contractual obligation exists? She's trying to use important sounding words to cover up her confusion. But she doesn't really have a firm grasp on their meaning. Probably she's confusing the Canadian (use any of the NATO countries in Afghanistan) military with the International Red Cross. You think? Ritremind could be excused though, must be a full time job rushing from board to board and confusing what or which should be posted to which or -- what; babbling tends to do that to certain types.

They're not MY rules. They're not the rules the Canadian people want. They're not even the rules the Canadian government wants. They're the rules made by unelected judges following the perculiar political ideology of the elitist, ivory tower liberal. And the problem then becomes the same as we have with the terrorist sympathizers and the security certificates. If we can't send these murdering scum home, what then? Do we have to let them out on the street? If so, I vote that the government buy homes on the streets where the families of the Supreme Court justices live, and send all murderers and rapists and terrorist wannabees to live there. You're right Argus. The 'supreme authorities' decided to change the rules in 1999, see: http://www.canada.com/theprovince/story.ht...0f9d698&k=10407 "...The act was designed to "prevent fugitives from considering Canada as a safe haven." But it has backfired. Before 1999, countries making extradition requests had to meet stringent evidentiary requirements -- including sworn affidavits from persons affected or connected by the crime -- resulting in long delays. The new act removed the requirements, allowing a mere summary of evidence. Judges were to accept it in good faith. For a time it appeared to be working. "There were hundreds of cases flowing through without much consideration at all," says Gary Botting, a legal scholar with the University of B.C.'s Faculty of Law. But a quartet of Supreme Court of Canada rulings, known collectively as the Ortega ruling, quickly derailed the "rubber stamp" approach. The Court said judges had a duty to protect the Charter rights of fugitives by questioning foreign evidence. It allows lawyers to put up all sorts of objections....." and on and on and on it goes for the 'rights of the fugitives'!

Tom Clark's Afghanistan Blog Updated Sat. Mar. 3 2007 12:13 PM ET Tom Clark, CTV News Thursday March 1, 2007 I am not making this up. Today I met Captain Canada. Clearly this needs some explanation. The Kandahar Air Field is swimming in nationalities: Canadians, Brits, Dutch, Romanians, Jordanians, Afghans, Australians, and especially Americans. Our southern cousins are everywhere here, which is not surprising because they are by far the largest contingent on Base. They are also everyone's best friend in need. Any ground unit here knows that if you run into a spot of something, one call to the American air force can usually get you out of it. They are also extremely friendly. Although this is a multinational mission, every country maintains, and proudly so, its own distinct uniforms, insignias, and recreational compounds. The Dutch, for instance, have their own little Amsterdam style café, without of course anything you would normally find in an Amsterdam Café, except coffee. But the mess tents are a multinational free-for-all. It was there that I spotted him. At the next table, a person wearing a distinctly American uniform, with the words U.S. Air Force over the left pocket of his shirt, and the word Canada over the right pocket. I guess my curiosity showed. "Canadian eh?" he said in a drawl that came straight from south of the Mason Dixon line. "Canadians always stare". Well, yeah! Any uniform that has both U.S. Air Force and Canada on it is a bit unusual, for either Canadians or Americans. It turns out that it was more unusual than I imagined. He introduced himself. "Hi. Captain Rick Canada" (First reaction: get out of here! Second reaction: stifle growing urge to guffaw.) So I had to say something I never thought I'd ever get to say; "Nice to meet you ... Captain Canada". From his expression, he's gone through this routine a few times before. But he was extremely indulgent, patient, and pleasant. He explained that the origin of his name is Spanish (which lends credence to one of the stories of how we got that name for our country -- a Spanish explorer took one look at it and declared "Ca Nada", which loosely translated means "there's nothing here"). But when I got more comfortable with his name, Captain Canada and I talked. He was an extremely amiable man and he opened up about something else. He's been in Afghanistan for six months now, and it's the first time he's ever worked with Canadian soldiers. "We really like working with your guys." And in that wonderfully direct and sincere way Americans speak he added: "I mean it. They're great. Best around." Who's to disagree with Captain Canada? Not me.........." Captain Canada. A little lighthearted conversation for a change from a reporter from CTV in Afghanistan.

Summers, a Refugee Lawyer, appears to believe he does not have a conflict of interest with sitting on the Board vis a vis his ability to earn his lifestyle as a lawyer for refugees; and, "Summers worries the government might appoint an "ideologue who sees this as an opportunity to get tough on refugees." Does Summers mean the government may have appointed "an ideologue who saw this as an opportunity to be soft on refugees, referring to his appointment of 3 years ago? Summers believes "People at the head of the board shouldn't have a security bent and their primary focus must be on the protection of the rights of refugees ........" Obviously Summers, et al. believe that refugees' [undocumented or from safe havens, etc.] rights and protection of same should supersede that of the protection of Canadian citizens. No doubt this mindset is how Canada ended up harboring X number of terrorist groups, according to CSIS, and have lost, according to Immigration, approximately 30,000(?) or so refugees who did not show up for their refugee board hearings. In an ideal world all members of any government department committee or board would be selected strictly on merit paying particular note to any conflict of interests, political, personal or careerwise.

If the following comments are an example of how Seymour Hersh's opinion piece should be considered credible, one must laugh out loud: [quote}: "the USA/Evangelicals are backing this because they want Aramgeddon to happen and Israel must fill the Biblical mandate for the prophecy of the rapture. Canadian evangelicals want Iran attacked for the same reasons as the US evangelicals do. Which is why Harper told Israel his "New" government will support them no matter what they do......."[end quote] As a REMINDer, do the foregoing quotes seem familiar catchme? `

Well then, I trust that from now on you will most certainly mind your own business when it comes to American government policies on Human Rights and, any and ALL American government policies ad infinitum. To paraphrase: Why would anything you say be pertinent to anything .... 'Remember you are a Canadian from the City of Podunk' or, wherever! Since when btw were you appointed a moderator of this board. `

YOU reported August for --- trolling? Why? Because he told the truth about Margaret Trudeau and the fact that Pierre used to slap the snot out of her periodically? And, that is the truth. Obviously you know nothing about 'Maggie' Sinclair Trudeau or about the relationship between she and Trudeau. Maybe it is you who should be "banned permanently from this forum" ..... for insulting August and for your ignorance of the facts about Maggie and her 'old man' Trudeau.

Actually Army Guy the poster, catchme, merely paraphrased a paragraph written by J. West a member of Babble, as follows: Quote: Jerry West ..... Our troops are also victims. Turning them into scapegoats for bad (even criminal) foreign policy is shortsighted at best, if not totally ignorant or intentionally malicious. There is a considerable difference between supporting the mission and supporting the welfare of the troops. In this case real support for the troops means pressuring the government to abort the mission and bring them home. Possibly catchme is unaware that people do read that NDP forum just to stay abreast of what the Layton ladies and laddies are spewing forth this week? ;>}

Oh, right. We can plainly see it's all George Bush's and those deaf, dumb and blind Americans' fault for demanding/expecting Canada to comply with it's NATO treaty commitments. Oh, wow. Look out ....... they're gaining on you. Paranoia indeed. heh Agreed. Hydraboss is a fine example. Trust this was intended as a compliment rather than an insult btw Mrs. catchme.

The exercise is to prove all of the people in the B.C. Judiciary Advisory Committee are Evangelicals. Your information does not even mention their religious affiliations and according to the poster, catchme, the recent appointments are all Evangelical Theo-Cons. Obviously they are not. `

Well, are all of these people on the B.C. committee evangelicals? Please note this is just one committee in one province of Canada: Federal Judicial Advisory Committee for British Columbia JUDICIAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBERS BRITISH COLUMBIA Chair: The Honourable Madam Justice Pamela Kirkpatrick Nominee of the Chief Justice of British Columbia Ms Rita C. Andreone Nominee of the Law Society of British Columbia Mr. Terrence L. Robertson, Q.C. Nominee of the Canadian Bar Association Ms Laura C. Donaldson Nominee of the Attorney General of British Columbia Ms Sheila Sullivan Nominee of the law enforcement community Mr. Dirk Laudan Nominee of the Federal Minister of Justice Ms C. Kilburn Nominee of the Federal Minister of Justice Mr. Dev Dley, Q.C. Nominee of the Federal Minister of Justice Please also note, Jimmy Pattison's daughter, Ms. Kilburn is the sole non-affiliated appointee on this B.C. committee. As well, I highly doubt Rita would take kindly to being considered an 'evangelical' in the derogatory term as used/suggested by this poster.

Actually, Jimmy Pattison's daughter (Kilburn) is not a member of the CPC, never has been. How she could be considered a 'theo-con' is just more trivial gossip. Unless of course it is known for a fact that in the last election Kilburn voted Conservative and not Green! Oh, right. How on earth would anyone know that for a fact? Well, some of us do know for a fact. Jimmy P. is noted for his generous contributions to the NDP in B.C. and to the Fed. Liberals, more particularly when Chretien was P.M. Jimmy P. is first and foremost a billionaire businessman and enjoys certain privileges such as dining with past prime ministers of Canada. Matter of fact Jimmy P. is considered to lean more to very liberal policies when it involves certain segments of society. A theo-con? Not. There is no proof that any of these so-called evangelicals on this list are members or vote for the CPC either. Except for Toews. This is becoming silly. Of course it is all G.W. Bush's and the Americans' fault. I keep forgetting that.

I wonder what Dave the galloping beaver would have done in this incident described below in the Canadian Press article: "....... Describing the man as a suspected suicide bomber, Phillips said the unidentified victim in the Canadian incident -- outside the village Senjaray -- approached a patrol, walking along the centre line of the road. "He appeared to be chanting and refused to heed verbal and visual warnings to stop,'' Phillips said at Kandahar Airfield. The closer the man came, the stranger he appeared and as the patrol slowed soldiers spotted what they thought were wires sticking from a bulge in the man's jacket" Two warning shots were quickly snapped off but the man kept coming until a third burst was fired, killing him instantly. "Upon closer investigation, no explosives were found but the man did have an unusual mix of wire, straps, tubes and other materials fastened to his torso,'' said Phillips, who added a military police investigation has been launched in conjunction with Afghan authorities......." [end quote] Although Dave, the galloping beaver, has never been in this situation in Afghanistan or, in any place of combat, no doubt good old Dave sitting behind his computer in B.C. could certainly offer a very colorful description; together with his most foulmouthed invective of what HE would have done -- if only in his very active imagination.

Under What section of the Gen. Convention would this Khadr kid be entitled to be treated as a legitimate soldier of a country involved in combat? If a civilian fighting as a foreigner for al Queda, in the process killing a U.S. Medic, should Khadr then be charged with murder under U.S. law or Afghan law or Canadian law? The U.S. Army medic's family would possibly prefer Khadr be charged with murder under the U.S. criminal code whereby the death penalty could be applied. That would certainly solve the Gitmo problem.

If you are including the NATO treaty commitment in 'international state activism' are you aware of the number of countries/state's military forces presently deployed to Afghanistan? If you are aware of this number then you have answered your own question. Or, was the question simply rhetoric on your part?

Apparently not all of the jewish community is on board with Harper! Apparently the jewish community according to the Star reporter tend to vote LEFT.

An article on Human Rights Watch complaining about U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan from 2002 to 2004 certainly isn't proof of American (or British or Dutch or Danish or Canadian or any NATO) soldiers mistreating Taliban/foreign prisoners yesterday or today. Well, maybe we should hand any captured Taliban/foreign fighter over to that bloodthirsty old warlord Dostom and his tribe of anti-Taliban warriors? Perish the thought any NATO force should transfer the Taliban/foreign types to the American-Canadian-Dutch trained Afghani military police forces. Until such time as you or he or they or me are actual boots on the ground in Afghanistan, we should just put up or ...............

The title of this thread is: "Stephen Harper and the Theo-Cons" yet there is little, if anything, in these 'catchme' posts which have discussed or commented on the topic of this thread. In connection with the Article, Ms. McDonald obviously is not nor has been acquainted with what she refers to as 'theo-cons' which are more often referred to as 'so-cons' in Canada. If she had been paying attention to the so-con blogs and message boards (such as F.Dominion, etc.) she would have perhaps been quite surprised to learn that the so-cons are furious with S. Harper, personally, and the CPC, generally. After all, according to the very vocal so-cons, S. Harper has personally dis-allowed the nominations of certain prominent so-con potential candidates in ridings in various provinces and, S. Harper has personally put forward for nomination (in Vancouver center) a Gay person to run in this riding which is heavily populated by Gays/Lesbians. The so-cons have declared unequivocally that S. Harper is actually Pro-Abortion and always has been, regardless of which church he attends or how often he attends. The catholic and fundamentalist evangelists are refusing to donate their money or their time to the CPC campaigns as well because of S. Harper's refusal to champion their two causes: Anti-Gay and Pro-Life. The McVety's, et al. have let it be known just how disappointed they are with S. Harper's lack of support for their two important issues; So. How is it that Ms. McDonald appears to be totally unaware of the so-con movement's absolute displeasure (disgust) with the policies of this S. Harper minority government, I wonder. So. Rather than hi-jacking every thread topic on S. Harper and the CPC government catchme, stick to commenting on the actual topics please.

Article? What Article and, who is Marci McDonald?

Obviously a lot of people don't care about anything other than themselves and will engage in all sorts of destructive behaviour if there no negative consequences. That's where penalties and taxes for such behaviour come in. Your answer then is to penalize or tax Canadians like Margrace for not conforming to any rules and regs. imposed by a government under the Kyoto Protocol? Like, failing to do repairs to a home under any new regulations enacted under Kyoto? Or, driving a vehicle to the office or mall or school, etc.? That seems inevitable of course since there are only so many corporations , other than in B.C. and Alberta, which would be heavily taxed/fined by Dion or Layton therefore Dion/Layton would find it necessary to begin taxing/fining individuals who failed to obey all of the new regulations necessary to cut Canada's emissions. Is this what you were implying Saturn? Where else will all of the Billions$ come from to be paid by Canada for it's failure to curb it's destructive tendencies (under Kyoto) ....

Who said anything about christianity in this thread there's a bias showing. This isn't about an MP its about volunteer workers, but its typical ritamd same games played on 50plus spurious and malicious huh! Who or what is ritamd and 50plus? Are you saying this poster, catchme, is a spurious and malicious poster from another forum? well, I laughed out loud ....... [lol] `

You are excused. How many Billions of 'our' tax dollars are you willing to ship to Russia or the European Union in five years btw? Jack Layton seems to believe that by paying off these countries with our Billions of tax dollars Canada will somehow(?) have eliminated it's burden under the Kyoto Protocol. What will Jack opine to all of those hardworking Canadian families who have been laid off from all of the various industries affected by the extreme measures necessary to cut even a small portion of the emissions under Kyoto? Or, how does Jack Layton propose to honor all of the terms of the Kyoto Protocol? Inquiring minds and all that ..........