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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dr..._a_war_crime.3F As strange as it is I have to admit also that Argus has a point about prosecution for war crimes.

Actually my Dermatologist says "lady with skin like yours there is a native somewhere in your background" Do I qualify? I attended the same school as the native woman who claims it was a residential school and she was so abused, I can bring my Year Book with me to show both of us at the same school -- Wow - maybe I am onto something here. Seriously though, thats just stupid, as I said before I know an Indian youth who was approached by a lawyer and told if he lied and said he was in a residential school he could make some money ........ and of course the lawyer gets his cut .......... Come on we want to be FAIR but the blanket of lies has to stop - I read one website on domestic abuse on reserves that attributed it to the Indians "adopting a European lifestyle and values". Yup that it all the "Europeans/white" beat the shit out of their wives and children -

Well actually I could do that, but it would involve revealing person information about other people and that isnt allowed - let me just say when a native person with a grade seven education is hired as the Education Coordinator of a school, or when a native person with no education or experience was hired for a Marketing postion rather than a person with a degree in Marketing and five years of relevant experience ... and when you see employment ads in the paper that read "Preference given to persons of Aboriginal descent".. well that pretty much spells if out doesnt it?

Oh yah the intent to kill thing, I have been reading Jewish forums, as soon as I find one where posters are promoting peace I will let you know .......... I have been reading some pretty scary things .... upsetting to see such racist attitudes. I am anti-Semetic or anti-Arab I know what I read and see and hear ........ from the internet, the news, forums and even some of my Jewish friends. The hate is very real and very scary. On both sides ...

So is Jew a dirty word to you? Nice. My friends who are JEWS call themselves JEWS, my INDIAN friends call themselves INDIANS - only in Canada where people are concerned that they might not be politcally correct do they shy away from the word JEW and INDIAN - why? Because you are used to using the words in racist jokes you tell? People of Israel, give me a break already - If I ask my friend Morley what he is, he doesnt say he is a "Person of Israel", he says he is a "JEW" and so does David, and Daniel, and all my other Jewish friends -- If thats the best you can do to call someone a racist you are really stretching it - I said "poor Jews" because some of these posts are outrageous in their statements and belief that the JEWS are innocent victims, as in "poor victims" as in sarcasm in response to these posts. The word from Israel yesterday was that the kidnapped soldiers were alive and in reasonable good shape, has that changed? Someone, probably Argus, posted that Lebanon deserved to be bombed in payment for the death of the soldiers or some such thing ............ I have read a lot of racist posts - Muslim Goat Herders living in Canada for instance, but I havent seen any anti-Semetic posts, only posts from thinking rational people who arent foaming at the mouth in an emotional racist rant against the Arabs ............. All Jews = good All Arabs = bad yah right, thats NOT racist --------

There are seven dead Canadians and over 40,000 Canadians trapped in Lebanon, Israel has blown up the airport so that no one can leave the country. They have trapped innocent civilians, women and children, tourists and are bombing the sh*t out of them, and they dont care who they kill. There are approximately 10,000 British citizens , 20,000 French, 20,000 Australians, and 25,000 Americans trapped in Lebanon as well. People from Germany, Spain, Italy, Greece, Poland, Austria, Sweden, Brazil and thousands of International students ......... and the numbers keep rising. Originally Canada thought there were 16,000 Canadians, now that number has risen to over 40,000 Our Government is trying to arrange for Commercial ships to evacuate the Canadians, how many ships do you need to hold over 40,000 people? What about all the other people who are innocent and will be trapped there? There are tens of thousands trying to flee the country with no way out ..... Israle has bombed the roads and bridges as well as the airport ........ The UN and the rest of the world seems to agree that Israel has gone too far. Its amazing how many people seem to think "the poor Jews" are innocent in all of this, give me a break already. The agressions and attacks are on both sides. The Jews have declared their intent to kill and keep on killing until there is no Arab left alive, read the Jewish websites and then tell me they are "pacifists". Isnt Israel claiming their bombardment of Lebanon is to make them pay for the "fate" of the kidnapped soldiers? Well it seems they are a tad premature in counting them dead. Is okay for Israel to have prisoners but not okay for Lebanon? The following is disjointed but I am trying to hit the "high points" - the news stories are far too long to post here. BBCIts one helluva mess, but one thing I do know for sure the Jews are NOT innocent victims. And to innocent civilians. This is NOT about two or three kidnapped soldiers, this is an excuse for Israal to take over Lebanon BBC correspondent in Beruit

from Argus and thats only two pages worth, try and guess who posted these? too emotionally immature and pig-ignorant to actually discuss the issue without calling names you say?

idobbin you can go on the Immigration Canada website and look up Provincial sponsored Immgration and read what the requirements and selection process for Ontario is ....

And that qualifies you as an Immigration expert. What we really have is someone who's life is crap, who cant afford to live in a "really good" neighbourhood, who doesnt make a good living and has to blame someone, so it must be the immigrants. Still no knowledge apparent of the different requirements for Immigrants and Refugess - they come from "somewhere else" and they arent white so they are all at the root of his problem. Never mind that a lot of Immigrants are investing millions in this country. Give me a break, get an education, learn a trade, get the motivation and ambitious to move out of "the ghetto" and stop blaming other people for your problems. Immigrants didnt force you into the ghetto you claim you lived in - Argus you are a bitter little person who hasnt had the life you envisioned you deserved and now need someone to blame. Everyone here is the product of Immigration or Migration. Canada is a country built by Immigrants or it wouldnt exist. If you had your way Argus, we would be saying "only white Immigrants welcome" and only "white refugees welcome". Do you even know the definition of "Refugee" - I sincerely doubt it. I bet your next post will say "you are wrong" or "you are mistaken". There is no one on this thread that this comment applies more to than yourself Argus. You are woefully ignorant regarding Immigration Policy, Quotas, etc. I repeat, you dont even know the difference between "refugee" and "Immigrant".How sad that we have "Canadians" like you, I believe I have run into some of your kind overseas, expecting special treatment because they are white and being verbally abusive to their foreign hosts. Move if you dont like it, who was holding a gun to your head to force you to stay and fight the white fight? What a disgusting concept in itself. I know complexes like this in BC and not a visible minority in sight, just a bunch of low life drug dealers, criminals, hookers and people living "dissapointed angry lives". BC has benefited tremendously from its Immigrant population, they have invested huge sums of money in the Province, and yes, we do enjoy the Multi Cultural aspect of the population. The problems that plague BC are the result of Campbell and his Liberals, not Immigration. If you ever travelled you would realize how populous the rest of the world is compared to Canada, and by that I mean all of Europe.

Damn you would think that after working for an agency providing settlement services, ESL classes, and other assistance to Immigrants, and refugees that I would know the rules, well bloody hell ........ How stupid of me .........

Argus what is your experience with Immigration ? Do you work for them? Or with them?

Its apparent from a lot of posts that people are still not aware of the difference between "immigrant" and "refugee". Immigrants do not come to Canada unless they can prove they have sufficient financial resources to support themselves for X number of years and are prevented from accessing Welfare etc. They also have to have skills that are on a "skill shortage" list or are starting a business in Canada. The only exception is "family class immigration" and the family sponsoring the immigrant has to prove they can support the immigrant and that he/she will not access Welfare etc for X number of years. Most of the posts here seem to refer to "refugees" and not "immigrants", as does the original quote that started the thread. Refugees most often come from Refugee camps which can be pretty horrendous places, crime ridden, no formal education and a great number of them have spent their entire lives in them, where survival meant being tougher than the other guy. The socialization of children raised in Refugee camps creates social problems that are often transferred to their host countries -

israpundit.comIsrael is trying to force a war between Iran and the US and involve the whole world in this, hoping it will provide them with the ultimate solution to their "Arab Problem". It is no coincidence that this "war" should erupt the same time the US is confronting Iran IMO Israel is pushing for World War III believing its alliance with the US will result in the annihilation of any Arab State. US/Israel vs Iran/Arabs and of course Russia will get involved, and Europe and ultimately the whole damn world ........

The word genocide has been used repeatedly over the years by many agencies, and media outlets over the years when referring to this war. Just because CNN, the BBC and Global dont use it, doesnt mean it isnt real. For any of the above to use the word would mean they have to do something to prevent it - and their countries have had no interest in becoming involved. It is absolutely impossible to get an accurate body count in the middle of a war, further more injured civilians count as victims, they dont have to be dead. Have you already forgotten the original "body count" coming out of Iraq? I believe the US initially said it was less than 100 civilians, and gave us some stupid figure such as 42 or whatever?

And your point is? The posts questioning the rights of single women to have children makes that seem like a good idea. Where do some men get the idea they control the world and the reproductive rights and choices of women?

Then take it to a thread about aboringial land claims and other injustices, there are enough of them here, take your pick - it seems to be the all consuming topic of this forum. People have a right to discuss other issues without being beat over the head endlessly by the aboriginal theme - a thread about the Middle East is about the Middle East. Its like trying to have a conversation with adults while a bunch of twoyear olds are whining and demanding your attention - Watching the news last night was horrific, its just a blood bath over there, almost genocide. They arent even picking targets just firing into residential areas, where ever the hell they want to - It can only be called genocide, suburbs are being targeted and the objective is to level the city -

What clouds the issue and credibility is that indian kids went to my schools, yet one who was voted Prom Queen claims she went to a residential school, for her whole life, where she was constantly sexually and emotionally abused - She went to highschool with me, and to elementary school with other students I knew in High School. she wrote an article on the abuses she suffered that was published in a well known women's magazine and it was all lies. Its do damn dishonest. Indians were attending school with non-indian children as far back as the 1950's so its pretty hard to figure out what is real/true and what isnt.

I dont know for sure, I think the Government with the backup of the police just went and seized the children from the reserves. I believe one of the reasons was TB and wanting to vacinate the children. check it out here http://www.irsr-rqpi.gc.ca/english/historical_events.htmlIt says parental approval was required but I am not sure

This is a thread about Isreal and Palestine and I for one would like to see it continue WITHOUT any off topic annoying references to Indians and land claims in Canada, every thread here seems to be taken over sooner or later with the indian theme - I noticed an attempt was made and ignored, thank you for that! I have made it a point to read biographies of leaders on both sides of this issue, to talk to people on both sides of the issue, to study both sides and damn if I can even begin to figure out a solution. Both sides seem to have legitimate points, both sides seem to be at fault in some way........... To suggest the Jews are totally without fault or aggression is so much bull. I sympathize with the land grab thing being - well - not nice - , but not the violence. Historically Britian created most of the messes still plaguing the world today -- and not just in Isreal. I say make the Brits step up to the plate and resolve it. They're overdue for some blame in the worlds problems -

ICBC didnt call the witnesses, I finally called them and asked them to call ICBC which they were happy to do because they had also had problems with this kind of crap from ICBC in the past. David Flaherty Office of the Information and Privacy CommissionerICBC is like WCB, everyone thinks it works well until they have to fight the system to get what they are entitled to.

If you do repairs yourself without involving your insurance company then how can it affect them or you? You lost me on that one. ICBC also runs on the principle that the first person to report a claim must be the innocent party - not true. Someone on their way to work for instance would wait until they are off work to report a claim. I have used two private insurers and have had nothing but good experiences with both of them. And had nothing but headaches with ICBC. I have also lived in other Provinces and found private insurers no higher than ICBC and in most cases the rates were a lot lower. Alberta is one province where my insurance was almost half the price of ICBC coverage, mind you that was some years ago. Sk insurance was the same price as ICBC and had no problems there when this woman creamed the side of my car. Right now this psycho stoned out of her skull driver decided to make a right hand turn from the left hand lane and drive ACROSS the front of my car in the process with her SUV - I was in the right hand lane - attempted to run down two witnesses and fled the scene of the accident, was subsequently hit with a number of charges by the RCMP, and ICBC is refusing to honour my claim - They told me repeatedly there were no witnesses, so it was my word against hers, even though as I said there were two witnesses who stopped and the charges by the RCMP - They first tried to say I had to pay the deductible on the repairs, then said they didnt receive an accident report at all from me, and then refused to mail me Personal Injury Claim forms - until the magic expiration date had passed, then said "sorry too late". Typical ICBC bullshit --

Its time the people in BC did everything they can to get ICBC bounced the hell out of here. You pay high premiums for coverage that you dont receive and cant collect on because ICBC denies most of the claims for things like Personal Injury. Now they have placed an "Expiration Date" on Personal Injury Claims even though the medical community and everyone else knows that the full extent of injury is usually not apparent within SIX WEEKS of the accident. They did not notify insurees that they had put this expiration date in place. They have tried to deny personal injury claims to people who have been in a coma for six months following an accident, because they didnt file within the six week period. People are often too seriously injured to file within that magic six week period. At the same time Managers and Supervisors received HUGE performance bonuses recently - for what? If you run off a road because of ice and have to get your car fixed and file a claim ICBC then ups your rates by 40%. Even if there is no fault of your own. You CAN fight back by getting the very minimum coverage required through ICBC and then getting the rest of your coverage through a private insurer, such as Family or Royal - DONT give your money to ICBC for coverage they refuse to give you and then charge you a 40% penalty for filing a claim. DONT pay for coverage through ICBC that you wont be able to collect on without a huge fight. If you insure through a private company for collision etc ICBC CANNOT cancel your 40% discount - and why should you be penalized for using the insurance you pay for anyhow? Hit ICBC where it hurts, financially - insure privately and buy only minimum coverage with ICBC I have had two claims with the private insurer and they were concerned, courteous, and the claims were promptly paid - no arguing, no raising of my rates - and they dealt with ICBC for me when the other driver was charged. A rental vehicle was immediately available to me - no arguing over the cost of that or what kind of vehicle I rented ------ GO PRIVATE! Its time we got rid of ICBC completely -

For the sake of understanding this, I hope, what IF the US or someone decided it would be a good idea to move a whole bunch of Afghanistan people to a safe country and establish a new territory or country within that country for them, taking over part of that country to do so? They, someone, decided they should all be moved into Alberta and Alberta would then become a new country, separate and apart from Canada and we just lose that part of our country - and then they start fighting with the rest of Canada because they now want Saskatchewan or BC as well ----

Britian created this mess, where are they? Years ago my sympathy was with with the Jews, now it is with the Arabs who had their land appropriated and hostile neighbours dropped into their laps to contend with, and Britian who created the whole damn mess simply withdrew and left it to boil - Kind of like dropping rats and terriers into the same small cage then walking away from it - It really is amazing when one looks back on history and sees how STUPID the decisions were that were made by what was supposedly a Superior Ruling Class at the time. Has anyone learned anything from this meddling in other countries and their affairs? Hell no it is still going on and on and on ....... creating one mess after another ..........

I usually agree with what you say Betsy but I have read enough history and talked to enough people to believe that the children were seized and removed to residential schools, to ensure their survival but not with the consent of most of their parents. I say most parents because some did want their children educated and some children went willingly - conditions on most reserves were terrible at that time. Either way what did happen was that because the children were removed from remote reserves in many cases, the parents werent able to see their children - travel was too difficult. I believe visits were discouraged, and names were certainly changed to anglacise the children. Of that I have no doubt because the damn teachers from NA in China, Japan, India, Korea etc are STILL doing it and giving the students "western names" and I am SO opposed to this ! The kids are allowed to pick their name, which makes for some interesting names such as Zorro - but I think its the first step to removing a childs identity and ties to their family and culture. The big excuse is that the names are too hard to pronounce, get real....... it only takes a small effort on our part to learn them .... so many beautiful names changed to "Doris" or "Vivian" My apologies to any Doris's or Vivians, its only my example - and no insult intended