Kindred

Hey Social Workers dont smile, they snarl at you :angry: ........... its a very hard road to travel. If you can survive with even a little self respect and dignity, you are doing well.

Does that make it okay? Has our society become so desensitized by violence that no one cares when children are being killed and wounded and ripped apart by bombs that we just shrug, or make a joke about it? What a snapshot of good mental health. And people around the world think Canadians are "nice" people, yah right ......... No one is forcing you to look at the photos, but if you want a dose of reality instead of "intellectual debate" feel free to access the information some people are dying to send out to the world ...... so that you dont just get reports from censored media sources ....... These children are victims of a bloodbath, this is not how you fight a guerilla force, most of these Lebanese people are NOT fighting, most of them do not support Hezbulloh, their Government doesnt support them, and despite the attack on their country their Army has not moved against Israel. Their Government has only asked for a cease fire and peace and appealed to the UN and Canada and the US and British ......... who have all turned their backs on them. Israel is ignoring the GOVERNMENT of Lebanon. You do not attack a guerilla force from the air and flatten cities. If you have a rat problem do you blow up the buildings to get rid of them? Of course not, they just move on... the Hezblloh is mobile ........ as far as I know they dont have an Air Force so what we the point in blowing up the Beruit airport first? And then the bridges? It was to trap the Lebanese and handicap the Lebanese Air Force and Groud Troops - NOT the Hazbulloh .... it was to hunt "fish in a barrel" ........ And they have succeeded in realizing their agenda. I am willing to be Harper will say "gee sorry our troops are all covering the US asses in Afghanistan and we dont have that many body bags .........." Unless of course Bush gives him the nod ......... Given our pathetic Military Harper is making a huge mistake toadying up to Bush. The average American doesnt realize how small our Military is, our ancient our equipment is and how ineffective the Canadian Forces really are when it comes to Armed conflict ......... On the other hand war is big business and IMO Harper wants to cash in on the billions - however despite offering a $40,000.00 signing bonus, Canadians are NOT lining up to enlist ........... I have friends who are Jews, and friends who are Arab, one of my friends was in the Israel Air Force, but I am sickened by this - it cannot be justified - and I repeat, this is not how you fight a guerilla force inside a country filled with millions of innocent people ........

In 911 the US broadcast that the terrorists came straight from Canada, since then they have repeatedly said Canada harbours terrorists. Would we sit idle and let them flatten Toronto and Montreal and Vancouver killing hundreds of civilians or would our Armed Forces, as pathetic as they are, get involved and try to stop an invasion into our country? I doubt that we would feel or say the US was justified The Lebanese Armed Forces have not been engaged, have not fired a shot while Israel flattens their country. This is not how you fight a guerilla force like the Hezbulloh - countless innocent civilians are being killed and injured, infrastructure blown up. The Lebanese Government didnt support Hazbulloh ..... What are you doing to get rid of the terrorists the US claims are in Canada? According to your thinking you deserve to be killed and your cities flattened seeing as terrorists have been arrested in Canada ..... and are "known" to have some cells operating in our country. The average citizen here is doing nothing about it. Our army isnt fighting them in the streets ..... because that isnt how you weed out terrorists. Yes this is how Israel justifies what they are doing, and the US concurs. The terrorists the US says are in Canada arent firing rockets into the US but 911 was pretty dramatic and Canada was initially blamed for that ...... Just as there were "indications" of WMD's in Irag? Anyone who opposes the US is a terrorist. Anyone the US cant control is a terrorist. Anyone who isnt white and Christian is a terrorist or a potential terrorist ... This isnt a war between two countries, because the Lebanese Army isnt involved, but the first thing Israel did was blow up their airports and roads so the Lebanese Army couldnt move, except across land ..... Does Hazbulloh have an airforce? What was the justification for this? It was to handicap the Lebanese Armed Forces.

And of course Jews dont hate Arabs, they have extended the hand of brotherhood to them - give me a break. The Jews are not innocent in any of this decades long conflict, and to suggest that the Lebanese should just move out and give up to their country is pretty unrealistic .. and ridiculous. They were there first after all.

Given that from the latest reports Israel seems to be flattening Lebanon one city at a time .. I cant see Syria not getting involved. And ultimately Iran, which sets off a domino affect that will result in a war will affect the all of the Middle East and then Russia and China if oil resources are threatened - and on and on This is what one of the media in the US is saying ....... How amazing that an AMERICAN would have the nerve to write something this stupid in view of the BILLIONS the US dumps on Israel ...... Americans are so stupid they are scary dangerous ...

This time Argus you have gone far beyond any semblance of human decency, and I have reported you for your outrageous comment about the photos of the dead children So far I have bit my tongue and kept from insulting you as you so willfully insult everyone else and if I get banned I dont care, I am far far too angry to care at this point .. On every thread, on every post you have shown what a deeply disturbed, uneducated, ignorant person you really are. People such as yourself are a disgrace to Canada. Not only are you too freaking ignorant to post one intelligent comment anywhere on this entire forum you delight in your ignorance and you seem to think your assanine, ignorant, uneducated comments are witty - I am willing to bet you have a grade seven education, if that. You Argus are one of the most pathetic losers I have ever encountered, in person, or on the internet. Its too damn bad your mother didnt have the foresight to abort you and spare other people from your mind boggling ignorance. If I were you I would be embarassed even being on this forum knowing that everyone with one iota of common sense, education or experience is laughing themselves sick at you, at how ignorant you really are, and how far you will go to prove your ignorance ........... You are lower than pond scum and I have sympathy for your family, your friends, and all your coworkers, not to mention your neighbours and anyone who has to suffer your regrettable presence in this world.

A war with Lebanon can very well escalate into a war with Iran, and Syria, do you think Bush it that interested in Lebanon? Hell no, its their association with Iran that has him supporting Israel - If you think it will all end here, with Lebanon wiped out and no retaliation then you have more faith than I do. IF Israel sets it sites on Syria then Iran has stated emphatically that it will be an all out war unlike anything we have seen so far ..... and then the US will move alongside Israel to take over Iran ....... Something Bush has been gearing up to do for a very long time ---

It happened during WWII when the world had enough, and stood together, the US wasnt there in the beginning, they didnt even enter the war until Pear Harbour was bombed - of the world did it once, they could do it again ..... but it wont ever happen with Harper, he would have to wait for Bush to tell him its okay. Even if Canada has said its out of proportion and unacceptable ...

As long as Bush has one ally, in Irag it was Britian, just one country agreeing with him - what if the whole world told the US they had enough ?

Like I said he is going to outdo even Clark and Mulroney, but by election time it will be too late for the Lebanese children -- and what will be left of Canada's reputation and integrity and standing in the world? Mark my words we are going to see terrorist activity and see it soon because of Harper (Bush Toady)

The BBC is reporting foreign tourists trapped in convoys that are being shelled by Israel air attacks, how do you flee when there is nowhere to go? Bridges and roads are all blown up, and Israel is now dropping bombs on the convoys of civilians trying to get out, others are too terrified to risk their lives trying to flee and Israel has rolled into Lebanon ...... they dont care if you are Canadian, American, British or Arab, a bomb doesnt discriminate .....

Crime is defined by cultural mores, what is considered a "crime" in one society or country, isnt in another. Who's to say which culture, society, country is "correct"? Correct by who's definition?

Then how is it that people are prosectured for Hate Crimes? Why dont you get a Legal Definition rather than a dictionary reference? Of course the definition says its a theory, its an intangible action or prejudice - But I must say, tell that to a victim of racism and hatred - no one can be that dumb, you are arguing semantics and it serves no point does it?

Check out the photos of dead children and the Israel air attacks on fleeing Arabs and tourists I posted to the International thread ......

I for one am sickened, I cant look at any more photos of dead children, or tourists being killed, or the annihilation of Lebanon ......... it has been sent out, its been witnessed by a lot of people ...... there is no saying how long these sites will stay up and operational. Or how long these people will be alive is there? Just makes you freaking proud to be Canadian or American or British and stand by and witness this kind of horror ........... and do nothing to stop it ....... Lets not forget the oil reserves in the area, Bush needs to control ALL the oil in the world, all the resources. Are you comfortable with that Canada? Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Israel, Lebanon, the entire Middle East, who's left?

Isnt this just what the Nazis did ? Blitzkrieg attackes. http://www.cmylebanon.com/images/albums/us.../10001/tyre.jpg http://www.cmylebanon.com/images/albums/us...sion%20time.jpg http://www.cmylebanon.com/images/albums/us.../bridge%201.jpg http://www.cmylebanon.com/images/albums/us...%2520bombed.jpg http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2110/565/320/3.1.jpg Another Hazbulloh soldier killed by Israel? These photos are being sent out by Reuters and Associated Press FYI and I cant look at any more of them, remember all the brave Journalists who were "accidentally" killed by the US in Iraq? Recording the truth is dangerous .......

http://www.cmylebanon.com/images/albums/us...ace%20maker.jpg Here are two cars blown to pieces containing those people who have been "ordered to leave" Southern Lebanon ..... Israel has ordered them to "line up" on the roads and then is carrying out air attacks on fleeing convoys and civilians as they try to flee the area ......... like shooting fish in a barrel .......

During 911 we also found "news reports" and other information "popping on and off" the internet, there one second and gone the next .......... Its called censorship - or "oops better get that off there before someone sees it and uses it against us when the dust settles" - During 911 Journalists were surfing like mad, trying to pick up the original "news" being posted to sites like Fox, CNN, MSN and it was like chasing dust ....... An example, the original and first news reports to pop up put all the blame on Canada and were urging retalitation, then they all dissapeared ...... but not before it had reached more than a few Americans who were also surfing, the internet forums were flooded with "lets bomb the shit out of Canada ." IF you want more reliable news start checking international news sites ........ they dont have such a "vested interest" in Israel ..

I accessed US Foreign Relations "official" sites and budget reports, etc. Papers from Congress and it was ALL there last week - all the stats I did a long post then and somehow it got lost in posting, said I wasnt logged in and when I went back it was just gone - And now all that info on the US Government sites is gone. I searched for HOURS last night, and found nothing on Foreign Aid funding or Policy for Lebanon. The figure $150 million stuck in my head but I am not saying its true, it was SO woefully LOW compared to the billions heaped on Israel, and remember there are hundreds of PRIVATE funding sources sending money to Israel from the US as well ... Fleabag why are you posting a "news item" from the Israal newspaper? Thats ridiculous if that is your "news source" ......... While overseas I met a man who used to be an pilot in Israel army and he had a lot to say about their military power and objectives and it wasnt pretty. He was rabid on the subject of Arabs ... The history is all there (well it was) for someone who wants to read it, educate themselves, become informed and see the imbalance of power, and funding and everything else that has existed for decades. Any progress that Arabs have made in terms of infrastructure has been hard won and a huge achievement for what is essentially an impoverished country. Many of the posters bash them for their lack of progress, their "primitiveness" compared to Israel which is so heavily funded, and to all intent and purposes DEPENDENT on Foreign Aid and has built their military and infrastructure and everything else as a result of Foreign Aid, and the cheer when that hard won progress is obliterated by Israel. You have a very powerful, very rich country levelling an impoverished country which has been struggling for years to bring itself into the 21st century. BBC NewsThere are Canadians, British, French, Scandanavian, and people from other countries as well as Lebanese people living through THIS HELL - American Media is STILL trying to say there are only 27 people killed in Lebanon The Canadian Media is also reporting that there was NO ship attacked by the Hazbulloh, it was a fire extinguisher that blew up on board - who reported this "rocket attack" by Hazbulloh? Oh yah CNN, Fox and Israel news - Its as real as the body count we are receiving from these sources. Other news Media around the world at putting the count at closer to 500 - 600 and I think those are conservative http://www.cmylebanon.com/images/albums/us...cs/10158/4w.jpg http://www.cmylebanon.com/images/albums/us...0people%202.jpg Are these Hazbulloh ? http://www.cmylebanon.com/images/albums/us...ng%20beirut.jpg Canadians, British, and other tourists, as well as Lebanese trying to flee Lebanon as Israel airplanes fly over head dropping bombs on them ........ how do you flee when the roads and bridges have all been destroyed? This is a blood bath - Israel has gone totally insane and the world stands by and watches while it slaughters not only the Arabs but people from all over world, and does nothing .......... If any of you can STILL justify this then God help you, take a look at the photos of dead CHILDREN and tell me this is justified. This is GENOCIDE and nothing less that that .........

I cant find the exact figures on US foreign Aid to Lebanon but if memory serves me right, its in the millions, like around $150 Million, nowhere near what Israel receives. Interesting that those stats have dissapeared off the internet .....

And where do charities get their money from? Oh yah Government Funding, duh - and why is it up to charities? Do you mean private citizens should donate money to rescue Canadians from a war zone? Your reasoning escapes me, what charities? Do you have the names of these charities that go into war zones to bring out innocent travellers and vacationers?Its amazing, it truly is, you bitch your head off about people coming to Canada who arent lily white and abusing the services, then you bitch your head off if they leave Canada and dont use the services here - you really are one confused person arent you? I realize that the majority of posters here havent travelled outside their own backyards, which is evident in their posts, But people DO travel and visit other countries. And the majority of people waiting to be evacuated are Canadian tourists or visiting friends and families overseas. Or working overseas .. which doesnt mean they arent Canadian and doesnt mean they dont actually LIVE in Canada or consider Canada their home ...... Every country protects its own citizens if possible, where ever in the world they are in case of war and/or natural disaster --- Someday God willing you will find yourself in the middle of a war or a tsunami and then you can take the high road and refuse assistance from the Canadian Government, but I guess thats just wishful thinking on my part, because you obviously dont travel or have any interest in broadening your horizons .by doing so ...... Where is the PROOF that the 50,000 - 60,000 Canadians in Lebanon were all borng there - making statements you cant back up with statistics is just pure crap ..... Argus why dont you for once back up what you say with some facts? Stretch a little ..........

Politicians have been concerned about the "brain drain" for years, maybe they should take a look at the Income Tax people pay in Canada. It has one of the highest tax rates in the world, and unfortunately doesnt have the services to justify it. Not when compared to Scandanavian countries and other European countries, even countries in Asia provide better bang for your buck than Canada does. People working overseas receive a "Foreign Tax Credit" and so they should, because they typically pay taxes in BOTH countries and dont use what services there are in Canada.

The only way to avoid taxes is to declare yourself an Expat and to work in a country that doesnt have a tax agreement with Canada. Typically its done because there are no jobs in Canada for professional people, and because they want the experience and education of living in other countries. Most people dont want to spend their entire lives rooted in one country and exposed to and knowledgable of only one country, one society, one point of view. You can see the repurcussions of that on this forum.

Argus I am willing to wager I have lived in Canada a helluva lot longer than you have, and paid a helluva lot more taxes than you have. Are you too ignorant to realize we now live in a global economy and there are thousands and thousands of Canadians living and working overseas? And most of them are paying taxes on foreign income? And not using medical services or any other services those taxes pay for in Canada.