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History of the 20th century: Italy, Germany shows clearly that with rising, and after the subversion revelation no need to beat around the bush, fascism there can be no chance or hope of modifying it from inside. A false hope or a blatant lie. If you don't stand to it, you are enabling it and allowing it to rise higher and walk further - and it will. This is true and factual: the Republican party allowed and enabled the rise of a populist destructive version of a modern-day American fascism. The only right thing sane Republicans can do now is stand to it: vocally, publicly and forcefully. Because in the end, there can and will be only one winner: if normalcy retreats, the insanity wins. There has to be a clear vocal group, circle of Republicans at all levels, in all states standing to fascism, now both moral duty and utmost responsibility. If, not when the insanity passes, it can become the core of the renewed party. And the delinquents who failed their call and duty so profoundly and miserably will need to be condemned, personally and individually, for a clear record in history. That could be one possible beginning of a path to redemption. Make it a precedent, too. Think about it now because from here, nothing is assured. Any future is possible.
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If it manages to stay - and I honestly don't know how it could squeeze from here, how does one redeem oneself from this kind of a catastrophic, colossal failure of duty and responsibility to the country, citizens and the constitution? Is it even possible? Failing right at the time and the point the checks and balances were designed for by the people two centuries back who thought better and cared more? Both look like a miracle at this time. And whatever we will see unfolding, remember: this is not going anywhere. It's written in history and can't be erased. There's no going back to the happy times. America will either find a way to rethink and reinvent itself; or she will change her very nature. All bets are off. From here, any future is possible.
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Tsss... the baby is also mad
myata replied to myata's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
Why did they: Senate Republicans, 2020 not convict the felon when there was ample evidence of the subversion conspiracy? Could they not know what precedent it would create? If an attempt to undermine an election isn't impeachable, what is? Is there any offense they would convict their partisan fellow on? Why were those words written? Who is their loyalty to? If democracy in the U.S. goes as it's clearly on the way to, the names that made it happen, enabled it over and against a clear constitutional duty will be known and studied for generations, in the history. Putting club and personal interests above the duty to the people and the Constitution. An unforgivable and quite possibly, irreversible failure of duty and responsibility. That history is being written right now and in the reality. Pretend nothing much has transpired, smile and dance business as usual all you like you can fool dumbed-down pueblo any time but not the history. Simply no chance of that and behind the mask you surely know it. Carelessness, a grotesque and ultimate failure of responsibility, plain stupidity on this scale will have consequences. -
Exactly. We have a slimy admirer of brutal authoritarian thugs and a slimy admirer of the slimy admirer. Has the definition changed over the decades, or is it the wiring in the brain?
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Tsss... the baby is also mad
myata replied to myata's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
"Unprecedented criminal effort to stay in power after losing election" (Reuters). Which country: - Venezuela - Belarus - Vietnam - Georgia Dumb-down games have played themselves out to the third world conclusion. It's a fact, history and its not going anywhere. If there's a way out of this for democracy in America the astounding failure of responsibility by the Republican party, specifically, Congress Republicans have to be remembered for a long, long time. Because this is how such games end. Right before our eyes. -
It happened the first time about 2 millennia back and countless times since. The pueblo got tired of having to think and demanded bread and circuses. It does speak for the condition of America's psyche these days. And for that, there are no easy solutions. I'd like to say that I know difficult ones.
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Tsss... the baby is also mad
myata replied to myata's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
And now the subversion files 2020. Where in a democratic world you have leaders who attempt to subvert the will of people? Venezuela, Georgia, Bilarus sounds right? No way around it: the pueblo just voted for the third-world America, starting with politics. Enabled by the Republican party despite many, multiple clear warnings. The elites understand it. And they have no clue what to do about it. -
Yes unfortunately the "don't fix it" mentality has deep roots especially in backwater societies. Nothing ever happens here right? So why bother changing and learning? Except the evolution has the first for everything. The need for a meaningful change in the political system is pressing and palpable. A societal change will need an owner. And the only way I would even consider voting for Liberals is if they decide to own their own reneged promise.
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Tsss... the baby is also mad
myata replied to myata's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
The more evidence that intelligible responses just aren't coming. OK let's see it, another test: the number of bytes with meaning, current and total: zero and zero. Couldn't be bothered to track the number of experiments, easily available. -
An easy obvious answer: they have no clue how to deal with it. Maybe it would just fix itself, anyhow. The hope.
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Tsss... the baby is also mad
myata replied to myata's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
One thing is clear as the number of horns in an amoeba: one will not get a meaningful comment or answer here. The cause really makes no difference does it? -
Seriously? And nothing to do with the false memory syndrome? It was a central point in his election platform that won him a landslide. Those are facts, records can they be changed? All the time later he tried to install the 'no interest' adage into the people's minds. Looks like successfully at least in some cases. Correct so far. Blessing is relative, not so? Givinf a disproportionate number etc to a party taken over by populist authoritarian cult is a blessing? Don't count me in. Funny that we always count that it only happens to the others.
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Republicans will not be able to keep swallowing whatever comes out the mad baby's lying mouth because it's a test to it. Failure of democratic duty does not make a liar the leader of a modern democracy; but it can take the democracy down the lying paths and curves easily. One's loyalty is with the constitutional duty; or is it with a liar and budding dictator? We will see. We know very well, everyone knows that these are two different paths. And the choices they make will define them.
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Tsss... the baby is also mad
myata replied to myata's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
From the reaction everybody can see that it touched a nerve. What to do about it? Admit the reality try to understand it? Or pretend that nothing is happening. You can drop, loose and empty the thing of all meaningful substance, everything that makes it a modern democracy and still have it running whistling happily. Works for you? The crisis is looming and they have no clue what to do with the genie they just let out of the bottle. What to do about it: a big happy smile everybody! This can very well be the final one though. Nothing plays forever in the entropy world. There will be no miracles. Where the reason and diligence of free citizens cease, democracy will go. -
I'll try a more grown up hypothesis. Suddenly the chummy elites figured out that the train is running into a wall, literally progressive degradation. In just one cycle, America is out of any and all effective checks on the executive, and the universality of justice. They see it. They know what they see and what it means. And they have not a slightest clue what to do about it, not now or ever. So what's left? Pretend it's not happening. Pretend that the baby is normal and just may be it would help. A pretense, false picture of normality, business as usual without justice, checks with a mob boss running it etc it's still great democracy la la. A slim chance, having him trying to influence a supreme justice just yesterday but what are the options? Clueless and not having slightest intent to observe the reality and respond to it. A risky and dangerous combination.
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Tsss... the baby is also mad
myata replied to myata's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
And so, all attention has to be on the Congress Republicans now. Surely, Joe contributed to the election loss at a critical time and that will be his legacy. But Republicans not only allowed but by now, enabled and promoted this travesty: - Failing to censor grave offenses against democracy such as attempt to subvert an election, Maduro style - Nominating him second time against all factual evidence of irresponsibility of the choice - Even now they play right into the liar's tune by suggesting that there can be anything wrong with the universal justice. Should everyone be held accountable for their action. Yes or no? You absolutely cannot avoid these questions nor shuffle them away. His play is obvious as clear as a day now: he will try to control the institutions. He's fully convinced that he should be running them like his idol Vlad or Maduro and "checks and balances", "independent oversight" just some fancy stories for the pueblo in the colored book. Those "trolling" stories are nothing funny to shrug off: he's trying to gauge who will fold, and he's getting excellent feedback. Most Republicans shrug and wonder privately maybe that's too far, and why would he be saying that and a bunch of crazies will try to jump before the wagon as always. They will fold as the history tells very clearly: these things have to be resisted, strongly, openly and publicly. And if, on top of all of the above they choose to participate, actively or passively in a rise of a truly dictatorial regime, they will go done with it, every one, every face and name. The duty is written very clear and there can be no confusion about it: it's to the people and the Constitution, not to a liar. It would be a clear, total and possibly final failure of that duty. For the entire history to see and cite as an example of total and grotesque failure of duty, as long as there's normal history. -
The events unfolding right next door show very clearly that binary political system is a grave danger to democracy and will bring it down. The only way I'll consider voting for them is if the new leader (Trudeau's limit has run dry) gives a solemn commitment on specific electoral reform, including proportional representation no pantos and games this time. If they don't happen to win this time it has to be carried in the future until it's done. Quite likely it's a matter of the survival for the democracy in the longer run.
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Interesting is the thought process of the Republicans - and I mean those who think of themselves to have integrity, principles and an obligation to serve the country and the Constitution who have acquitted him of the subversion charge. That it would just go away as a bad dream? That the bully will not return, emboldened by the impunity? Or really and factually, winning one election is worth of dropping the effective checks and balances and the principle of universal justice, very foundations of the democracy?
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This is what they don't want to tell you, Democrats and Republicans alike. But there's no way of hiding it any longer: the President of the etc is patently mad. Like Maduro mad, hardly less. Let's recall it: the attempt to subvert a democratic election, via fraudulent manipulations, attempting to influence a democratic official official in execution of their duty. And here it goes, again: Trump call to Alito. Maduro calls his pet "election commission". And he thinks nothing wrong to call a justice about his case. What can we not see here? So here's what just happened and no one wants to even think about it because they have no slightest of a clue what to do about it: a simple, yes or no question was set before the pueblo: do we need universal, impartial justice that applies equally to everybody? Simple: yes or no. Then a populist demagogue was let out to perform scenes and pantomimes. And the pueblo, assuming its sovereign and undeniable right to go through every stupidity (this isn't the first one in history) obliged. So, the condition we have now, de facto and very factually is that the populace formally rejected the principle of universal justice. That's it, done and written in the precedents. No dancing around and no avoiding the consequences. One of the fundamental principle of responsible democracy, gone in a flick. And they have no clue what to do about it. Let's just go back to "rebuilding" and maybe it'll fix itself somehow comes the election time. Except: no, zero chance of that. The Maduro path is wide open, the precedents are set and it doesn't happen in four years (why?) then it sure will happen in two, free or some more cycles. Why wouldn't it? The precedents of total and absolute impunity are set and written. What did the Republicans think acquitting him of the subversion, and as a direct, certain consequence proceeding to this condition? That attempting to subvert an election Maduro style, a funny gimmick to laugh off? Only an innocent joke? American political system, entrenched and outdated is at the end of its run. The result of most recent developments is this: all effective checks on the executive power are gone. Just don't exist anymore, de facto. And this means the end of the term of the first American constitution. It doesn't have the substance behind the words anymore, factually. Maduro and Putin have those, easily. The final few words that remain to be said here is that when this kind of an impasse happens in the lifespan of an individual or social entity, there aren't many ways of dealing with it effectively - and pretending that nothing is happening is definitely not one of them. One path is through a concerted, conscious effort of sane citizens. But what would be the chance of that? And another is the collapse of the entire structure or a drastic change of its nature. And nothing here that can be changed or avoided with just words.
