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Precisely. It aint rocket science. To think that even has to be said is just and out nutz. Are we to believe this guy should not have stepped in. He is just as bad as the sob pervert doing the rape. He could have at least stood there and said stop. The whole thing stinks from top to bottom. They are all tarred with the same feather as the rapist because of their lack of reaction and doing the right thing-the whole stinking lot of them.

As far as I am concerned precisely because of what you summarized above that the whole bloody lot of them including that coach should all not only be fired but charged with being accessories before and after the fact. Knowing a crime could have happened and not reporting it to the police makes them all accessories. They are all dispicable sob's.

Unions can be just as f..cked up as management when it comes to handling such complaints and they too can regularly laugh off such complaints the same reason the managers would- entrenched behaviour. Sorry to burst your bubble but this concept unions are full of valiant soldiers of socialism awaiting the call to duty to defend the vanguard from sex harassmen is a joke. I was a union rep. so don't give me that leftist piffle. I know how they actually work. But hey solidarity forever whatever.Please continue that song. The reality is this-a woman going into a male intensive work sector knows she's on her own. She can't depend on anyone not even her fellow female workers. Its life. Its unfair, its b.s. but its reality and what women do is what all we minorities did when we had to and still deal with b.s., we decide as individuals whether its worth sticking around and fighting and forming alliances, or whether it aint worth it and we walk away. I know good women in the police force harassed like hell. They cope. They don't like it but they cope. Some have dealt with it one on one. Some have been written up for defending themselves but they are willing to take the write up to prove their point and avoid being harassed. Its life. It aint great but its life and the unions can actually make matters worse. I once represented a rape victim who was a unionized worker in a hospital. The friggin upper senior executive had raped 3 illegal Portugese immigrant women before her. He picked the illegals cuz he knew they did not want to be deported. The union knew all about it. They were in bed with this sob on kick backs he was rolling back their way. That is real life. I have been on both sides of the table as a legal counsel on such matters. Doesn't matter which side of the table they sit at, the fools fart the same way.

Absolutely false. Once again another expert on the Middle East shares their wisdom. If Israel considered the West Bank part of Israel it would have annexed and deemed it part of the nation. It will never do that as it does not want the Palestinians of the West Bank becoming Israeli citizens. If nothing else if theyd id that, they would soon outnumber the number of Jewish Israelis and vote the Jewish nature of the state out of existence. Hard as it is for your brain to figure it out maybe you should. Its painful to think on the life you are missing out on. Psst here's a news flash. The IDF could not possibly occupy all of the West Bank nor would it want to. It aint rocket science. Its called demographics. Its pronounced, DEM (like in demi moore) OWE, like the first part of President Obama's name, then GUH then RAH then FIX.

Let me guess. He hears voices. That or he sees things. Just for the record-the only burning bush I know is Lindsay Lohan.

You have subjective opinions and that is what you project onto the Israeli government as their motives. You see what you want to see. So don't come on this forum and have the audacity to tell me what I MUST know. Save that snot nosed presumptious attitude of self entitlement for your Mama. No you are not entitled to demand anything from me or anyone. No you don't have the right to entitle yourself to deem what people must know. Grow up and spit out that silver spoon and the belief you are special and your opinions are gospel and people must bow down before you. Here's a flash. You have a subjective opinion. Its not universal truth its unsubstantiated speculation.

You are wasting your time as much as I agree with you. Welcome to this forum with its self righteous a-holes. Here is the point. People died so we can live the way we do and procreate the kind of a-holes that come to this forum and ridicule what it means to die so they can live like soft, sheltered, snot nosed little puff pastries. You want political correctness on this one. Sorry not in me. I just can't believe you even have to explain yourself. Sorry I should be more patient. I can't. I can't believe you have to defend your point is all. The point of Rememberance Day is so that veterans come in and talk to the next generation so they do not forget the horrors of the past and repeat it again. Traumatizing? Someone finds it traumatizing? What a crock. Stay home. Leave the class room and wait in the hall. Go to the library. What utter b.s. History is about discussing that which is outside our comfort zone. Trauma? What next should we sugar coat history to avoid references to killings and wars becauses someone might beed therapy? What Bull. Absolute bull. I know kids from war torn countries and I have worked with them and I come from a family that escaped war and massacre. No I don't think the world needs to be sugar coated because I don't like guns or be reminded of terrorism or war. What a crock. My father's comrades died so I could live and I should not be told that because it traumatizes my father to remember it? It is precisely because my father can't talk about the war I listen to other vets tell me about it as best they can. Nothing is as valuable as a war veteran sharing an experience. Nothing. Veterans don't glorify their weapons or traumatize anyone. They provide lessons and bare witness the most powerful and accurate way to learn history. When I was a kid I was taken to Queen Mary Veteran's Hospital. I would ask my father who the men were there with no arms and legs and why they were just left there alone. Trauma? Yer damn right they scared me as a kid having no arms or legs or eyes or ears or mouths or half their faces missing or wearing bags for their shit. What should I have been hidden from them? Bull. I learned from them. I learned from getting over my fear of their permanent disabilities and listening to them and mostly not what they said, but what they would not talk of and when they would go quiet. I learned from their eyes and their silence as much as I did their words. Kids today are just sa deserving of such lessons I went through. They are not wusses. They are brought up watching rape and murder and killing. What they need is reality, humility, souls who bare witness to set them straight and realize real men don't easily kill and engage in violence and real mean regret and spend years with guilt and sorrow. What they need are veterans to set them straight and understand what the price of freedom we take for granted is. This won't fly. Its an isolated incident. Most Canadians understand how crucial it is to have Rememberance day and learn from our vets and soldiers and pay respect to them. Believe that. I am proud of my father and all war vets like him. I thank them. I thank all soldiers. They need to come to schools and talk. Kids need to connect with them. Its the only chance some kids will ever have to learn what is real in life for them.

Yes of course. Bagpipes are traumatizing. Also so are men who have hairy legs and wear kilts. Multi-culturalism is fine as long as it has nothing to do with the heritage and legacy of people who died for this country, then its insensitive.

Gost Hacked Everything I said about Moe is public record. No I did not make up his wars with Chad, Niger, or his supporting the Janjaweed or other Arab terrorist groups in Darfur that engaged in genocide or his open hatred of Christians and black Africans in his statements and speeches when he created the Arab Legion and his vision of Africa. Ghaddafi's racism is public knowledge. If he was not an Arab but a white man who had said the same thing about black Africans he would have been called a racist. Anyone who claims to be a socialist gets away with facism and racism. Its only fat white Americans or Euros that get such a label. Chinese, Russians, never. Arab leaders never. Zionists-of course. No I did not make up he financed Mengistu, Bokassa, Campeoa, Taylor, Idi Amin Dada Jr., who all with his financial support were able to carry out mass murders and genocide. No I did not make up he financed Palestinian terror organizations responsible for the killing of innocent civilians, The Red Brigade and Ira responsible for the same. No I did not make up he financed the Black September and the Munich Massacre. No I did not make up he invaded Egypt. No I did not make up he carried out slaughter of the Berbers in his country, No I did not make up he engaged in thousands of public murders across Libya orchestrated by his Revolutionary Committees. No I did not make up the fact that 30-40% of his population was permanently employed and he amassed over 200 billion in banks and never spent it on Libya-so spare me the socialist utopia stories of his rule. He hoarded the money and spent some of it on terrorists. No I did not make up that Freedom Of Press listed Libya as the most censored country of all African and Middle East countries. No I did not make up he arrested the equivalent of 20% of his population and tortured them and financed Lockerbie and the killing of a British police officer and a cafe bombing in West Berlin killing 3 and wounding 229 and openly had his agents attack Libyan exiles in London and murdered 25 politically exiled opponents in less that 10 years. No I did not make up he raped his bodyguards or Libyan virgin girls he would pick at random and financed terror organizations in Indonesia and the Phillipines responsible for terror and death of innocent civilians. No I did not invent he accumulated over 23 tons of mustard gas and over a 1000 tons of precursor chemicals when he failed to procure an atomic bomb from China or Pakistan. No I did not invent he sent troops into Uganda to save Idi Amin only to have the Tanzanians whip his army's ass. No I did not invent he placed a puppet stooge in the Central African Empire who emptied the country of its diamonds and natural resources that made it into Ghaddafi's personal banks while the people in that country starved. No I did not make up he financed the biggest cocaine cartel in Columbia. No I did not make up he in fact financed the Serbian massacres of Muslims in Europe or the Nationalist Party in the UK or the neo Nazi Heder in Austria and financed neo Nazi groups in Australia and New Zealand. No I will not reference the above for you. Find it yourself. Even if I provided references to you, we know the game-you will claim the sources as being CIA conspiracy disinformation. Yah yah yah go play with some of your trendy leftist apologists. Think I am rude. Ghadafi was much ruder than me. As for JBG I am glad he likes you. Its hilarious seeing him suck up to anti Israelis like you after what he has said about Muslims. You want sensitive download some Justin Bieber.

maybe if you read one word at a time slowly it will work here let me space the words for you... a society in which the rule of law is supreme, we have enforceable mechanisms to resolve ...disputes. In a place like Libya, such mechanisms do not exist... .... as the state was pretty much embodied in Gaddafi, and was run at his whim. If you have any problems trying to pronounce any of the above words do let me know.

Do I look like I am going to come running and spoon feed you? You again mistake me for one of your servants. I love these self-entitled socialists.

Oh let's look back at the wonder Moe Ghadaffi legacy and turn him into a socialist martyr shall we: 1-ah yes the 1980s, Moe implemented a "cultural revolution"; say now where have I heard that before? hmmmmm then of course he banned private enterprise and ordered books burned en masse-say now who does that remind me of Adolph? Joseph? Mao?; and ah yes of course he began killing "dissidents", prohibited freedom of speech or political assembly and began arresting people and either torturing or killing them en masse-but hey he was a great man; 2-say now do you remember the public mass trials where he would march people up before kangeroo courts where they would be found guilty of political crimes and killed before the masses? Say now that sounds familiar; 3-Lockerbie? Oh yah remember that? How about the financing of the IRA attacks or bankrolling terrorists on the West Bank, in Gaza, in Lebanon? 4-who Ghaddafi start a war-oh you mean when he went into Niger and wiped out tens of thousands of dark skinned folk he suspected of being against him? No get out Moe a racist against people with dark skin? Oh yah he did fund Sudan's genocide in South Sudan and the Indonesian slaughter in East Timor....hmmm....Moe start wars? Get out. 5-oh but wait the apologists have started-Libya was wonderful-you can get gas for your car at 14cents per litre-what a swell place-say now how is it Moe is personally worth 200 billion-care to explain all his properties world wide and the lavish lifestyle of his two wives and children? Oh it was a great country-that's why unemployment was 30%-say now 6 million people, 32 billion a year generated from oil, and 30% unemployment-yah sounds like a socialist state to me. 6-he has an Amazigh record or did I mean amazing record, no I meant Amazigh-oh do see how he treated such people will you? 7-ah those Revolutionary Commitees of his, they made life just swell for Libyans; 8-who Ghaddafi start a war did I say Niger? You do remember Chad as well don't you? 9-say now Amnesty Intl. says he killed 25 political opponents outside the country between 1980 and 1987, who Moe? Yah Moe. 10-yah yah it was a great country... I mean come on, I just loved his "purification laws" that came into being in 1994..oh you remember..a sentence of theft led to amputation of limbs, and fornication and adultery got you flogged-oh go on now guess what happened to gay people can you guess?-but hey these laws were great-they ordered that people must stay virgins until they married. 11- my favourite was in 1971, he wanted to unify with Sudan-Nimiery told him to beat it and suddenly he reached out to the Christians in the South signing a "peace" deal with them-then funded terrorists at the same time who wiped them out. Moe was consistent for sure. 12-psssst about that war in Chad, sometimes called the Toyota war, In 1987, Gaddafi engaged the brilliant Libyan military who thenlost one tenth of its army (7,500 troops) and 1.5 billion dollars worth of military equipment....get out....to a bunch of silly dark skinned savages...imagine that right Moe and you thought all this time your lighter skin made you superior now didn't you Moe...guess not...a bunch of barefoot savages kissed your pink brown buttox did they....oh do find out the comment she made about dark skinned Africans will you-but he did like the lighter skinned ones. 13-oh but wait let's talk about his support of great African leaders-first his good friend Idi Amin who did have dark skin you know...suddenly this man...was his brother despite the dark skin....in fact he sent troops to protect him when Tanzania invaded-ooopsy the Tanzanians killed 600 Libyan troops. Brilliant soldiers those Libyans. Then he bank rolled Mengistu Haile Mariam in Ethipia and a massive genocide. Guess who else was his good friend. Oh come on guess. I will tell you. This leader called himself Emperor for Life and ate human hearts of his enemies. Oh go on guess-jean Bidel Bokassa of the Central African Republic. Now there was a model nation for you. 14-Say now guess who financed the New People's Army of the Communist Party of the Philippines and the Moro Islamic Liberation Fron who both murder, terrorize and kidnap Filippinos oh go one guess. Moe Ghaddafi of course. 15-But hey Moe didn't stop there-he funded anti Muslim Serbian Slobodan Milošević who engaged in war crimes and bak rolled neo Nazi Jörg Haider who raved about Muslims in europe as well. 16-oh but never mind the Pan Am bombing in 1988. My favourite is his autocratic penis. Did you know that according to his personal physician Dr Seham Sergheva that he and some of his sons would rape his hand picked body guards. Quite the lover that Moe which probably explains the syphilis in his brain. Viva Moe Ghadafi. What a martyr. Oh but I like the new revisionist slant he was killed because he was going to nationalize the oil production. Uh hello-he had years ago. If Shell or BP wanted oil who the hell do you think they were paying? Oh but do tell me how wonderful he was and how the West conspired against him. By the way Mussolini made the trains run on time and so did Hitler and Mao was a great man, so was Stalin and if you say anything bad about Idi Amin or Jean Bidel Bokassa or Moe I will hiss and spit. Also the US is evil. Its all their fault. Well I will say this-the West had no problems getting back into bed with him. Tony Blair had no problem on live t.v. performing oral sex on him. I still remember that sight of Mr. Blair fondling him. Don't get me started on the Italian and French. Now you ask me the best one was Condaleeza Rice who claims he had a crush on her. She refused to meet him in his tent. Uh Moe, had as much chance as I do with Jodie Foster.

Your attempt to revise history to turn him into a saint and his country into utopia speaks for itself. Go find out what Ghaddafi did in Niger to start with and what he did with the Amazigh. I won't even waste any more energy. The fact you defend this man and his regime as utopia speaks for itself. How many wars did he start? What a genius. How about you ask how many terrorists and how many murders did he finance.

Yes true. But there is also another not so subtle message and that is Israel does not fear Hamas. Its not missed on Hamas. After all the posturing and smiling and cheearing and the propoganda dies down, the message is Israel thinks so little of Hamas it considers them 1,300th (or whatever the total no. in the exchange was) the value of one Israeli. That message is not missed. That may appear to some to be a sign of weakness but its anything but. Look at the message. Hamas tells its terrorists they are expendable for the cause and life of all Palestinians is expendable for the cause-Israel says the exact opposite. In the short term people giggle on the streets in Gaza but in the long term a subconscious message has been delivered to them-their leaders do not value them as individual lives. You can only deliver that message so long and people turn on you and that is exactly what has happened elsewhere in the Middle East. For those who go on and on about how evil Zionist Israel is, say now, do tell me who just sent out the message that Palestinian terrorists are so worthless, 1,300 of them equate to one Israeli? It was Hamas. Hamas could have said, one of our people is the exact value of an Israeli-they chose instead to devalue their worth by insisting on 1,300 for 1. In the short term it buys them some giggles in the long term? You think the average Palestinian didn't and doesn't understand they are expendable meaningless numbers to Hamas? After the relatives hug and kiss, and the terrorists go home to dinner and the message then sinks in psychologically then what? What do you think these aged terrorists do? How many will pick up where they left off? You think Samir Kuntar is not afraid of his own shadow. After his release do you not think everyday he thinks he sees a Zionist under his bed each night and in the shadows? The psychology of this war has only begun.

At this point I believe you got the point.

well I think when she read my rhyme she thought I committed a satanic crime and was scared away from the forum due to my lack of decorum so now we are left with Shwa and Hardner trying to figure out their Christ as a spritual partner with some references to Thomas Aquinas who they appear to equate some to some kind of highness my problem with Christianity you see is that it simply causes sheer misery with its sanctimonious assumptions and ridiculous interuptions don't you dare knock on my door to try proseltyze your blood and gore take your rituals and get off my lawn and with that comment poof I am gone

That script is tired Abdul. Come on you can do better then that. Good gawd man have Barry Manilow write you a new song. Say Wyly or is it Mustafa or whatever you call yourself, The Mufti of Jerusalem didn't take sides? Hah. Right. He didn't live as a guest of Hitler in a house stolen from Jews. He didn't broadcast daily calling on Palestinians to commit genocide on Jews in Palestine. Go on Wyly or whatever your name is, white wash history all you want but it won't change the fact that the Palestinian terrorist movement was a direct result of choosing sides with the Nazis-it was a direct result of the Mufti being a principal advocate and architect responsible for the holocaust and the direct murder of innocent Jewish civilians in Europe and in Palestine and world over. Go on play the old script. Ethnic cleansing. Isn't it convenient in your white wash you ignore the fact that more Palestinians were displaced by non Palestinian Arabs than Jews and that most of those claiming to be Palestinian today are in fact not Palestinian, but Arabs who moved to the region and displaced them. Isn't it ironic how in your revisionism the Arab League never used Palestinians as pawns deliberately forcing them into refugee camps and not allowing them citizenship in their countries. In your fantasy world 900,000 Jews ethnically cleansed from the Arab League nations doesn't exist right? The war started by the Arab League because they would not agree to a tiny Jewish state-never happened. In your world its simple black and white and you regurgitate the same hateful,stunted pathetic script which was in fact scripted by Nazis who moved to Damascus, Syria after the war and ran its government. Pathetic. You would think after so many years you could at least learn a new dirty Jew song. Yabba Dabba Doo I hate dat Joo dah Joo is bad man lets dance Chaka Kahn do dat kosher beat to dah jooz defeat uh huh uh huh wats dat you say zionism no way wuz up wit dat wat dey do to arafat i mean i was dah top in my class cuz i carry bomz for hamas aint i brave spewing hate and singing you know who is great while I flood the board wit my anti semitic discord git down wit owah jihad its dah biggest fad me and my crew we gonna get dat zionist jooo gonna turn back dat clock gonna kill dem jooz wit a rock but we don't drink what would you know who think.

..because you do not post facts but instead spew the same subjective opinions over and over and suggest they are facts ...because the best you can do is regurgitate comments out of their actual context from years ago because you are intellectually without integrity and will use such tactics to try render the conflict in simple black and white terms. Then again you are joined in good company by the usual assortment of individuals who don't have the integrity to admit they are pro terrorist, anti Israel, and anti Jewish which all your words indicate over and over again. You can come on hear and deny you support terrorism but the FACT is you do-your words speak for themselves as do your denials and your attempts to restate your subjective opinions as facts. You have as yet to provide one fact. What you provide is subjective name calling and the incitement of hatred against Israelis, Jews and anyone who disagrees with you. You are something. You ask what right Jews have to a Jewish state. You and Wyly seem to have no problem with Muslim states. Why the double standard? Go on. Tell everyone how it is Jews should NOT have a state but Muslims should. Explain to the world how you determine what is acceptable and what double standards you will impose on people. Lol. You are one transparent troll and while you are at it do you deny you are a Muslim fundamentalist? Lol. Yah I know. Your real name is Hyman Schwartz. You are one of the "good" Jews right? Go ask Oleg what that means. He seems to have us all figured out.

This is why no one takes theabove individual seriously. The best he can do is go back and reprint some Likud platform position out of context and dated 1999. Its pointless to respond to the above individual. His sole criteria is to troll and bait.

In regards to 1, yes that is a fact. The suverys have indicated as such. For that matter so has the government you describe in 2. In regards to 2, you engage in precisely the kind of simplistic black and white name calling and stereotyping we see time and time againon this board. Are you that intellectually limited that you need to reduce a very complex series of issues into name calling and creating a bad guy to scapegoat to make the conflict make sense to you? Do you really need to reduce this complex conflict into a wrestlings script? What am I the good Jew Goldberg or the bad Jew,Diamond Dallas Page. (oh yes both Jews you know) Enough. First off don't patronize me as a Jew. I am not some wrestler in tights you can cheer or boo. Ditch the script. I expect that from Bud not from you. Got news for you most of us Jews who support Israel have always supported a Palestinian state. Always have so don't patronize us. Don't make references to me and Jews like me as some stereotype you can portray for your own political agenda. Piss off. I do not need you to tell me what I think or why I think that way or to paint me as a good Jew as opposed to the poo poo kaka demon Jew you list above and suggest bad Jews go around hissing at Palestinians. Save your stereotypes. You hear me? Oh I hope so because every day you come on here and speak on behalf of Jews and how we feel and patronize our beliefs. Enough. Bud we expect it from what's your in the name of being tolerant and liberal but you are doing the exact opposite. You reduce us to this pathetic stereotype. Do I look like I want to be your cuddly Jew that you can wind up from the back and will squawk and walk the way you want it to? Hmmmm? Do I look like I want you patting my head and saying there now who's a good Jew. What next will you throw some lox at me and tell me to sit? Yes there are extremists in the Knesset. Yes there are fundamentalist Jews and extremist political parties in Israel and who support Netanyahu so? Yes I disagree with his politics, so? Are you suggesting the entire conflict in Israel has only come about because of Nertanyahu or Likud or Lieberman or the crack pot extremist settlers? Really? Here we go again. Oh wait...the conflict can't possibly deal as well with Muslim fundamentalists and terrorists and their hatred of Jews as institutionalized and legalized through state apartheid called dhimmitude. Nah. Let's just skip that right? Not one Arab in the Middle East has blood on their hands or is responsible for the conflict right? Its all those bad Jews' faults. Let's just cut to the chase shall we? It's bad Jews who caused all the problems. Bad Jews? Oh you know the ones YOU DEEM bad. Who you an anti semite inciting hatred against Jews who support their right to a collective identity through a state. Oh no. Not you. No no no some of your best friends are anti Zionist Jews and you never would mention they have big noses. Never. That would be hateful of course. I May support a Palestinian state but I also detest terrorism and people like Bud who apologize for Hamas and support its terrorist campaign to dismantle Israel. I also despise people like you who patronize Jews like me and claim to speak for me and know how I feel. Get this clear-the fact I consider Palestinians human and believe they have suffered and deserve a country and disagree with Netanyahu's policies does not mean I do not think Jews have suffered and have an equal right to our own country. Don't patronize me. Supporting Palestinians does not mean I have to agree to dismantle Israel, and support international criminals whose mandate is to continue to terrorize innocent Jews world over as well as Israeli citizens and anyone who supports Israel's right to exist.

Ah yes another simplistic rendering of history. There it is. Simple as black and white. Problem is of course the above individual is selective. He forgets the part of history where Jews were dispossessed by Arabs and how Israel is also predicated on returning to land taken wrongfully from them. Ooopsy in the black and white simplistic world of Black Dog, we take snap shots of only those portions of history suitable to our historic script. The world is one continuous series of one people dispossessing another but in Black Dog's world, only Israel's Jews did this dirty deed. Everyone else comes by their land rights with virgin innocence.

I have forgot to tell you many times Saipan-you are funny. If I had money I would leave some for you in my will so you could by a beer or 2. The world needs more Saipans. Also while I am at it American Women knows I support everyone of her posts word for word. Otherwise I hate everyone else. Well not Oleg. You can't hate Oleg. Also Chas Bono. Oh come on he's been through a lot.

Brilliant. Go check where the Mosque of Oman was built. Oh wait you intend to reinvent history. I know. Islam did not come after Judaism and Jews just suddenly appeared from Polish cabbage leaves. Save the revisonism. It doesn't matter. The fact is Israelis and Palestinians, Jews, Christians and then Muslims in that chronological order all inherited EQUAL rights to the land they now feud ver. There is no right or wrong just many tribes all with genuine rights they feel violated. All this planet has are humans that fight each other and none own this planet or have a better right to it than any other. Reality dictates we better bloody well learn to get along or we die. Love, Rita McNeil

I think that presented a sympathetic approach to immigrants that was well stated. I of course agree with most all of it because I am the child of refugees so my bias is blatant. Like most children of refugees and immigrants however I resent anyone coming to Canada who believes they are entitled to avoid assimilating. There has to be a time when each one of us decides whether we wish to be Canadian first, or something else first. I think the pendelum swung from complete intolerance (as per McKenzie King's rabid anti-semitic immigration prohibition against Jews) to the other extreme and that was sending the message anyone coming to Canada can use it as a convenient pit stop where you simply come when you need medical benefits. I think some immigrants have been given the impression the moment they step foot on our soil they are entitled to make demands and place their individual needs before the state's. That is the message we have people in the 60's through early 2000's. Then 9-11 happened and suddenly the pendelum suddenly started swinging back. We suddenly began to notice certain Canadians were bringing their former country's hatreds and class hang ups with them and refusing to leave them behind. So now we ask, how do we balance it all? The other day I was in the gymn. Being a Jew we can of course be invisible without wearing a yamacha pr traditional garb. The man next to me explained how he was a devout Muslim and then spent 20 minutes engaged in an anti-U.S. tirade that turned into an anti-Israel tirade that morphed into a Jew world conspiracy tirade. He spewed vile hatred and I finally had to tell him to shut up. He was genuinely shocked and accused me of being anti Muslim because I said he was inciting hatred and should be quiet. I never once referred to his views. I did not even bother to respond. He did utter some more comments to me and I simply told the attendant to tell him to not address me. Sometimes silence is the best way to deal with such things. My preference would have been to punch his face in. I am frustrated because I am part of an immigrant people but I know what it is like to be targetted by new and old Canadians equally with the same stereotypes. It constantly arises in debate on this forum with Israel and Palestinians and it renders both people crude indirect pawns in a larger dialogue of intolerance. All I can say is my ancestors never believed a country as tolerant as Canada was possible and I am bloody grateful for living here and not having to live in fear of being a Jew and being able to live with many different peoples as corny as that may sound. I also do not have problems with Christian traditions at Christmas or the fact this country was founded by aboriginal peoples and then has a history of people coming from the Christian countries of France and Britain. I have no problems with all the other cultures, religions and ethnicities here. If anything I hate everyone equally for the same reasons. A jackass is a jackass. I dismiss people like Bud and their agendas clear as can be because I believe they come to engage in negative generalizations of a particular targetted group they hate. For me the dialogue in the Middle East is simple. You have two people with equal rights unable to sit at a table and work it out because of all the jack asses insisting on interupting and speaking for them. What needs to happen is we need to take all those jackasses and lock them in a room and bombard them with music from Celine Dion and Rita McNeil. Its the only thing that will shut them up. All kidding aside I do believe one day Palestinians and Israelis will be able to find each other despite all the third parties and terrorists trying to prevent that.

Lets keep this response right to the point: 1. you took a great deal of effort to respond and your hard work is appreciated-you are commended for your sincere effort; 2. sorry I disagree with the pith and substance of your classic Christian interpretation of Hebrews although I think you did a supberb job of restating it as per the Christian tradition-I personally believe the true author(s) of Hebrews like the true author(s) of the New Testament (and for gthat matter the Old Testament) is a a conglamoration of unknown editors who took a bunch of original manuscripts and then took bits and pieces out of them and discarded the rest, then mixed them with the political propoganda agenda of the day as ordered of them by Constantine who had an agenda to merge Pagan and Christian beliefs to prevent a civil war and required a political organ to be able to monitor and control political dissidents which therefore required he re-write the Bible so as to fuse the pagan story of a son of God and the creation of the Church as a central organ to be able to pacify both Christians and pagans while rendering them both controllable by a central organ which could monitor and control their beliefs and prevent dissidents (the central church). 3. I believe the Chapter you interpret was a re-write designed as part of this political agenda and as such is fictitious. 4. I personally believe if a Jesus existed,which there is zero proof of, if he was a Rabbia, as such would have had to have been married and would never have used wording to suggest he was the ONLY son of God but most certainly would have preached Teekam Olem which we see recycled in his alleged Gospels. 5. I also believe it is quite plausible this Rabbia would have taught we are all sons and daughters of God and that heaven is within us as is the battle between good and evil, and he used himself as an example of a son of God suggesting we were all sent from this "God" to save the world and we are all its messiah.I also have no problem with the idea he would have rebelled against a corupt hierarchy of the Jewish religion which remarkably exists today only is called the Roman Catholic Church, Anglican Church, etc. The structure remains as does the organized secrecy and coruption I contend he would have fought. I also think is plausible he travelled to India and so learned medicine and fused spiritual concepts from Hinduism and Buddism with Judaism as the three would be quite compatible in being able to do this. There is nothing in Hinduism or Buddism that explicitly contradicts Judaism. The multiple Gods in Hinduism of course would at first glance look to a layman to clash with a monotheistic religion but it would also be plausible to think a rabbiah would have interpreted these Gods not as literal Gods but as symbolic ones to better illustrate divine principles and thus not necessarily have rejected some of the lessons behind them as mere idol worship. I see this Jesus if anything as a progressive of his day and someone loath to label and use black and white definitions-someone who would look like a God to people used to a different method of thought pattern. 6. As a result my interpretation does not lend itself to the one you have which is traditional Christian in orientation. All I read are the second hand edited writings of HUMANS who claim they were inspired by God. Sorry so am I. Please don't have me believe I am not as inspired. Thanks I can write my own stories and think for myself as to what I think God is. 7. As for my beliefs, I believe they are just as subjective as yours. I do not think either of us knows the original Bible manuscript's contents or what was originally intended to be taught or written or what actually happened during the time Jesus existed if he did. 8. I believe the Bible at best is a hodge podge of re-written and therefore compromised writings and were never meant to be taken literally but were drafted the same way Aesop's fables were-to serve as parables to illustrate behaviour. 9. I reject interpretations of the Bible that are literal. 10. I reject the interpretations of Besty as being simplistic, rigid and illogical. 11. I believe the passion play portion of the Bible was written well after the fact for a specific political agenda of creating a scapegoat people (Jews) to unify pagans and Christians-no more, no less. Cheers. p.s. I respect your beliefs I simply disagree with them-I have no problems with concepts of civility and tolerance-its just when I see the Old Testament or New One used to justify intolerant behaviour I say, my problem is with the people who use the Bible as a weapon to divide and alienate and that is precisely what Heavens To Betsy does in her well intentioned she is gonna save the world way. Nothing is more dangerous some days then a well intentioned preacher who can't hear anything but their own words. Thanks, my God is as simple as the wind in the trees and the movement of water or the flight of a bird or the sun's light falling at a certain angle. Miracles? I see them all over the place. Flowers, insects, the colour of the sky, a smile on a person's face, a dog playing, etc.