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Someone get back to me with an early detection and tracking plan that does not compromise privacy and fundamental freedoms please. I think we do a good job with sexually transmitted diseases, aids, breast, colon and prostate cancer early detection testing and tracking. No apps used there. I know Israel, Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea use apps to track disease but their people have different histories and cultural values that cause them to have had to live with a constant threat to their existence .

I am very concerned about air pollution so I am a huge supporter of clean energy but I also have to concede what you say. However alternative clean energy sources should not all be rejected because of stupid politicians In regards to wind they were warned it has to be used in less than three story constellations. Wind works well in small turbines. High level wind turbine towers can create serious harm. The Dutch have used wind, so have many cultures and of course sailors. I have seen self contained sphere homes developed for use in the Negev desert that use wind, sun and rain and enable you to live in extreme cold to extreme heat conditions. These homes look like igloos in shape and size.

I agree but don't be too surprised if they are just ignorant of the full meaning of an upside down flag and how it could insult others. Whether it's a teaching moment or something to ignore depends on the level of energy you want to expend in reaction to it... in your case its zero level. I get that. I have seen war vets calmly explain the implications of this act and be apologized to by the people doing it.

Sorry I am responding late. I support anyone's right to non violent protest. So I totally agree with you .... I believe their right to express themselves as disagreeable to us as it may be, if not violent, is a freedom democracy allows for the same reasons we can speak freely too...so I say ignore it, speak out against it, but it should not lead to an arrest or government prohibition. We can be well intended when they do things without fully thinking them through. Done my share of well intended stupid things.

Once you tattoo someone you can't always erase it. I have to share your concern about big brother control.

Thanks Mikey

Touche.lol...ps between you and me let us just say he won't be hired by Greenpeace to do their media relations. I doth protest in his defence with a degree of feigned indignation.

Well hang on. Lol don't call my buddy Rex Murphy an oil shill. You accused him of being a shill based on info like this: http://www.institutbroadbent.ca/rex_murphy_and_big_oil_friends_with_benefits I get it. I don't agree with him on many things he says about climate change..I get that....but he is allowed his opinions it doesn't automatically means he is captive to one point of view,, and with that said I get it...because many do not trust big business and especially pharmaceutical companies...if I defend them they could argue I am a big pharma shill. I get it. However I see two sides. The pharma industry has to spend millions to do research to assure a product is safe and they try because they get sued when their product is not safe. Many people believe they deliberately cover up negative side effects in fear of losing profit. I get that. What I also get is they created medication I take for chronic conditions and if certain people do not take those medications their quality of life or even continuing to live would be compromised. Please do not tell me they have not been told of the side effects. They are given warning labels, computer read outs and their doctors and pharmacists explain them. We all should know that technically any medication is poison and its actually the toxic effect that provides the relief of symptoms its taken for. We should all know we make choices to either live with the side effects of the medication or the symptoms and illnesses they manage, treat or prevent. These are the choices we make and I would hope I make them based on educated informed decisions about the risks because ourdoctor(s) and pharmacist have and do clearly explain those risks. The fear of vaccines was spread by people who heard there was aluminum and mercury in vaccines. These people did not go on to find out what amounts of these chemicals we are talking about and why they were or are used and how the body flushes them out. People do not take the time to educate themselves about medication because we fear. Our fear stops us from critical analysis and we sometimes take it out on pharmaceutical manufacturers turning them into the symbol of our fears. They become our Satan. Well sometimes big pharma has acted unethically or produced medication without being able to properly predict the adverse effects..of course but does that mean all medication or vaccines are bad? A vaccine wiped out polio, small pox, measles. Are we worse off because of that? Would you want a world with no medications at all? Look all I know is medicine is a choice people make to get better quality of life or to survive. That choice comes down to that individual. Hopefully they do it based on informed decisions. Too many people with zero training in pharmacology are posing as experts on the subject spreading ignorance and needless fear and the spread of diseases that could have been prevented.

Here I am.

I can not and do not disagree with what you suggest. I just want the tracking done in a way that won't be abused for non medical reasons. I think the reality is individual rights are going to be taken away in the name of public policy, i.e., the health protection of all...so I am very very wary of that..I do concede early testing and tracking is required in the maintenance and prevention of any illness.

Here try this just once-it is an attempt to explain to you why what you think is dangerous to you if you take it in a vaccine is not worth your fear-its your choice though what you will choose to fear or believe. When someone explains to me a government app that can be safe I will listen..until then I err on the side of caution...in your case I understand your fear but I am suggesting you may have sufficient info to counter that fear more then I have right now with apps...both of us though should be critical and that means not blocking out what you or I may disagree with...changes for the better often like changes for the worse, face resistance-I concede fear is not necessarily the greatest way to make a decision at all times. https://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/blog/top-vaccine-concerns-and-why-we-shouldnt-worry-about-them https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/patient-ed/conversations/downloads/vacsafe-thimerosal-color-office.pdf

He's a script reader. Don't waist your energy. He thinks Covid 19 is a cough syrup.

I am not for or against him. He is just a figure head...well a yellow figure head....assigning blame or support to any one politician over Covid 19 is kind of pointless...no politician decides the policies as to managing Covid 19...they are given a script to read from others....in Trumps case they don't bother with a script...he just says whatever he feels like saying but he has no contact with or control over whoever it is managing Covid 19 and doesn't claim to..he's a red herring...or yellow herring.

I find it interesting they claimed there was no more Covid 19 in China now this...hey now how does that work. If they now say they have to test 11 million I guess that makes them very big fat liars. So if they lie, why believe anything they say?

And so..what is your point...that makes it acceptable for China to exploit because others have or do? Is that how you define morality-if others kill its ok to kill? You seem to have a clear agenda to defend China's government why? Do you look the other way with other countries as you do China or is it particular to China?

Covid 19 orignated in Wuhan. Chinese citizens were murdered for getting this out to the world. Covid 19 like Sars, Swine flu, Avian flu, Henta virus all has been traced back and originates from wet markets in China. It comes from China refusing to regulate and implement health control regulations on its wet markets. It won't because there are too many people for it to monitor and it would be politically unpopular. There is a reason China did not apologize for the virus spread and its origins. It can not acknowledge anything imperfect about itself. Its part of the myth its monopoly communist party must enforce to keep control of its masses. To suggest we do not know where the virus comes from is aburd. It comes from bats. Swine flu came from pigs. Avian flu came from chickens. Henta virus comes from eating rodents. All proven and acknowledged by scientists world wide including Chinese ones. If you want to defend the filth of the wet markets and China and pretend its not the reason for the Covid 19 virus go ahead....but is that because you have a bias? Really? The viruses coming out of China they were what created by sneezing Italians or CIA agents? Can you get real, even the Chinese controlled WHO knows where the virus came from: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/who-coronavirus-origin-1.5539401 Its kind of silly to try at this time with all the evidence that exists from China to try deny it: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200317175442.htm

Governments in these countries provided consent not the people. They based that consent on an imbalanced relationship and weakness. China is as much a colonialist exploiter of the world as anyone else and worse in the sense they do not invest in the countries they engage in exchanges with-they create huge trade deficits and debts in their favour.

You call that a conflict? I call it free enterprise and making a living. Hey the fact I get paid by my clients does not mean I enjoy being phacked by them..its a living.

Oh stop and have a koombayah moment together...visualize Celine Dion naked singing the Titanic song. I like Fatso Ford. I trust him. He would never ask me to trust apps or tell me what brand of beer I must buy.

I do not believe a damn thing China says. Get me some proof Spanky.11 million. Pretty ambitious. That is a hell of a line up. Kind of like Tim Horton's before the quarantine.

Check his reaction. Now you know why I like both of you. On that note Gump you 2 need to find a beer to agree on. No way I could get either of you to try peyote. It looks and tastes like sheeyat and it makes you puke and then you see visions of Margaret Trudeau giving birth to the Messiah (Fidel Castro's son).

I think a mandatory vaccination could violate the Charter and be challenged. What would more likely happen instead could be back door enforcement such as requiring people too have a vaccine certificate to work or attend anything public..etc. Look can I assure you on something...the stuff about vaccines containing mercury, etc., is not true...all debunked...but I get your concern..I get why you do not trust what could be in them..me too...we all should question what goes in our bodies and how we can be assured its a genuine vaccine. I get you challenged cand challenge people who have or would ask you to take medication and expect you not to question it... JUST LIKE I do not trust government surveillance apps. Trust doesn't come if people like me ridicule your fears as I have done with some of your comments...meant to challenge you because I thought I saw you on a window ledge saying you could fly...I did not want you landing on my car..it already has too much bird poo. We will need a vaccine..like with polio...that or other medication..so we need to find away to have you find out what is in the medicine...just like I do not trust apps..I get it..we need .safeguards, accountability, disclosure...we need to work on all that...SOMEDAYS I trust nothing...other days I do...everyone wrestles with that especially now. It is hard to separate fact from fiction.

Sad post but appreciated W.

I am a bit surprised. However I I like you know we all have to sacrifice individual needs for the greater good and call me naive I think most people do and will on this with the right safeguards in place....I would be more comfortable if we could do this through non profit organizations.

I think we could and should divest from China. It means finding new alternative markets in Asia, Africa, South America and the EU. It can be done. Increased trade with Taiwan, Japan, Vietnam, South Korea, India to start with. We do not need their cheap shit, put a large tariff on it.