Wilber

Another example of Liberal "Values".

The way I understand it a presidential veto requires both houses to reconsider the bill. There is no definition of reconsideration. A two thirds majority of those present in both houses can override the veto. The US Supreme court cannot be vetoed. The government must change the law or amend the Constitution to make the law constitutional. It's interesting that Captain Canada, the defender of the Constitution, now wants to change it in a manner that will make us more like the US. But then, unlike the US, he gets sole discretion over who sits on the Supreme Court. Very democratic. Has it occurred to him that the day will come when he is not appointing the members of that court? Maybe, but this is secondary to winning an election isn't it? Kim Campbell's quip about an election campaign being no time to discuss real issues was tailor made for a ploy like this. I this how Canadians want their Constitution changed? The result of a desperate, grandstanding vote grabbing tactic during an election debate?

Quote USA Liberal "sure thing my friend. US isn't a democracy, its a republic ! Canada is !" Cambridge republic noun [C] a country without a king or queen, usually governed by elected representatives of the people and a president: Webster republic 1 a (1) : a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president. I'm sure all those people living in countries around the world without a monarch would be interested in knowing they don't live in a democracy.

MARTIN- SPECTACULAR DUCEPPE- N/A LAYTON- LOST HARPER- MYSTERIOUS my take USA_Liberal, Can you provide some detail as to why you think Canada is more democratic than the States? sure thing my friend. US isn't a democracy, its a republic ! Canada is ! Explain please, how that is.

"In any case, a country is much, much more than its government. Having spent the past few days in the US, I was struck by how disparate the US is. It is certainly not unified by its federal government. But I guess that's a separate thread topic." I've spent a few years working in the US and disagree completely with your position on the unifying effect of it's government. It is unifying because it's citizens feel they are a part of it no matter where they live. The US has a government that respects rep by pop in in it's House of Representatives, respects States with equal representation in its Senate and respects every citizen by allowing him or her to vote directly for their head of government. How could any such government be unifying? Yes the US is very disparate but if it is not unified by it's federal government, why do you never hear any Americans in any region of the US talking about alienation or separation? Unfortunately to admire anything American in this country makes you a bad Canadian. Americans have no such hangups. When it comes to the US, this country has a short complex.

McQuaig has been singing the same song for years. The record never changes.

I thought they all did reasonably well considering what they had to work with and where they were trying to get. The polls will be interesting. Martin - Feisty performance but a lot of baggage to overcome. Wonder if he convinced anyone. Prefaced to many answers with a speech that had nothing to do with the question. I find that irritating. Not a quitter though Harper - Well controlled and reasonable. Generally got right to the question, and his answers on policy were well delivered. A bit weak on a couple of questions concerning his political history. Layton - Top marks for avoiding direct answers questions and also beginning with speeches that had nothing to do with the question. Accused others of playing political games a couple of times. For gods sake Jack, you're all politicians. We understand. Duceppe- Smart guy. Good performance as usual but he only has to speak to Quebec, so he gets off easy.

Too bad it couldn't prevent Liberal corruption. I'm confused. Are trying to say that corruption is OK as long as it is oveseen? That's going to be a tough sell.

Sounds a lot like the tactic Chretien is using right now. Wonder if it will work. Name some CPC MP's that were part of Mulroney's government if you can. Almost every one of the present Liberal MP's were in Chretien's and Martin was his number 1 man.

Gawd, the Muricans again. Funny, the only conspiracy we actually do know of is that of the Liberal party to defraud the people Canada. Last I looked there were several investigations going on. When you find evidence concerning alleged conspiracies that the Auditor General will listen to, or you can take to the RCMP, I'm sure we will all pay attention.

From a guy that uses half a page for a lot of his posts, that's rich.

I have argued many times that Martin can plausibly claim that he was not responsible for the the sponserhsip mess, however, the fact remains that the Liberal party organization in Quebec was taken over by crooks and the Liberal party needs to take responsibility for that. The party in fighting right now just shows that many people inside the party just don't get it - they seem to think that Martin's mistake was to make a big deal out of the scandal.Just another reason why the Liberal party needs to be booted out of power. In the mid nineties a BC Premier ( Mike Harcourt) resigned because of a scandal in his party that was similar to Adscam (Bingogate). He had nothing to with it and it wasn't on his watch. No such ethics federally. Deny, deny and point the finger elsewhere. In most provincial elections, these guys would be gone in a heartbeat.

According to Stats Can a majority of the population of Vancouver will be visible minorities by 2017. What do you think they will owe Central Canada? That's a great concept to build a country on, one part owing another. "Becuase they promise you money, you fall for them" Where did that come from?

Then you are going to have to come up with a central government that includes the whole country in a real way.

Do you think all those cigar smoking bigwigs in Toronto and Montreal went west out of the goodness of their hearts? They did it to make a buck and keep the Americans out. I don't blame them a bit. I might remind you that an increasing percentage of Western Canadians have no roots in Eastern Canada and owe Ontario and Quebec nothing. Wake up before it's too late and join the 21st century. You just don't get it. It's not about the amount the west contributes, it's the fact they have little or nothing to do with the decision making process. That has never been an issue for Ontario or Quebec so you don't have a clue what it means to a Westerner.

The Liberal party stole $2,000,000 from you to fix various elections. You must have had to work a ton of hours at Wal-mart to make that much in the first place. No wonder you're angry. You have something against people who work at Walmart? Which one are you, Reid, Duffy or Klanger?

Kyoto is a seriously flawed protocol that will be impossible to implement by any democratic state if it involves any kind of sacrifice. Any Canadian politician that sent billions of our tax dollars to Russia in order to buy 'credits' would be voted out of office so fast they would not know what happened to them. The fact is reducing emissions is a difficult and expensive proposition and committing to specific targets is unreasonable. Right on Sparhawk. What kind of idiot would spend millions buying pollution credits from another country instead of using that money to reduce their own. Am I wrong or does this nut bar arrangement just allow both countries to go on polluting?

Well Eureka, from the look of this post you want the same type of Federal Government we have now with even more powers and a big Central Canada dominated fist to keep us all in our proper place. If you have some other vision for Canada, I wouldn't mind hearing it because it needs one.

Well I guess we should just keep calling them names. Far more effective than talking. On second thought, lets bomb em.

Guess that's all he's got.

Nice comeback Eureka, now that is well thought out.

I've thought a lot about what I'm saying and I am convinced that if you have your way this country has no future. You cannot continue to deny people access to their fair say in their own government when they have other options. You wish to maintain the status quo which means power centralized in Ontario with the Ontario Quebec relationship the primary focus of the Federal Government and no real say from the West. That cannot last. This country is not the country of Confederation.

Wellandboy, Scriblett and Wilbur should get something useful to say before they clog up this board. Maybe Swartzenegger was right and 95% of the people are too stupid to think and need to be told what to do. The neo-con crowd has a tradition of blind faith and unquestioning obedience. They must be the guys he was talking about. I wonder why it is that Canadian elections are always about the Americans. What would we do without them? We might actually have to figure something out for ourselves. Man this country is insecure.

What's up folks? Are the Americans having another election or am I on the wrong forum.

Nice invention Argus... Have you ever really read anything about party donations ??? The Cons are the ones with the budget.... in fact, about 10 x the donations that the Liberals received last year. However, the election poll did not reflect a similar statistic, leaving one to wonder about the sources of funding..... Seems to me that Chretien set up a nice little deal where the taxpayers get to fund the parties according to the percentage of the popular vote that they pulled and large contributions are no longer allowed. If the Conservatives have a bigger wallet it is because they are getting more small contributions. Considering Adscam, we really don't know where or how much the Liberals got in the last couple of elections or how much came out of the public purse via the back door. I would think a Liberal is the person who should be throwing stones when it comes to the source of campaign funds. I would think a Liberal is the last person who should be throwing stones when it comes to the source of campaign funds. I really should proof read this stuff better.