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Lol. You should review your idea of "leadership." Leaders are SENSIBLE! They're not mindless sheep! When asked if he'll recommend wearing masks - he said he'll listen to Tam! Hahahaha - can't he see for himself how illogical it is with Tam? Tam had stuck her neck way out there resisting to advise people to wear mask - that she's had a hard a tough time backpedalling! Well - she's forced to backpedal now because her narrative sounds so inconsistent and ridiculous - she's losing her credibiity! Since Trudeau blindly follows her - Trudeau is on that same boat!

HAHAHAHAHA Oh, my goodness! Hahahahaha What on earth am I doing arguing with you? Hahahahahaha Lol. You make me feel like this: I agree.

She's changed her tune! She must know how ridiculously inconsistent she was. https://www.hilltimes.com/2020/04/07/politics-this-morning-412/242436 So - you agree with her - that it's sensible to wear masks as an ADDED PRECAUTION? YES or NO? BTW, I've just come back from the grocery store. Many people (majority) - even store clerks - are wearing masks! Mask of all sorts - which also included scarves! Hurray! Now it'll be easier - and FASTER - to flatten that curve!

I understand your concern. They're our kids! We have a cat that's similar to your dog - he had a rough infancy (was rescued by our now-deceased cat when he was only a few weeks old). He's afraid to go out, and is cuddly friendly only to my husband. He tolerates me, and comes to me only when he wants food!

How did the outbreak from Europe start, I wonder? Who got it worse first - Europe or USA? I heard a lot of the initial cases came from people who came back from China! Gee....I wonder how it eventually got to the USA? Could it be because of repatriating American travellers from everywhere? It's a chain reaction! You should watch the old movie OUTBREAK. But you bet, the first cases had come from people who came back from China!

IF - and, I say IF - IF the situation looks desperate - yes, I advocate for mandatory wearing of masks in places where the certainty of being able to maintain distancing is questionable, like in public transits, grocery stores, hospitals/emergency rooms/clinics/testing facilities, and other places where you're likely to see sizeable numbers of people. As an example, the waiting room at some hospitals are not so large. LOl, in our hospital - the waiting room is large enough to accommodate only three people (if we abide by the 6 feet rule)! Furthermore, we still hear about people who don't adhere to social distancing! Face it, some people don't fully get sanitation. I know of an adult whose kid tends to wipe his nose on his sleeves (because apparently, that's what his dad do)! EWWWWWW. There will be some people who'd think nothing of coughing or sneezing (facing away from you), and think that's good enough! Why would you take the chance? If masks can provide additional protection - why this stubborn resistance over something that's just practical in this situation? Some use this to make a statement - that it's an infringement on their right, or they just don't want to be told. Would they feel the same way if it's Ebola? Which would you prefer? Mandatory wearing of masks or, strict lock-down in your houses? Not all grocery stores do things the same way. People in aisles at WalMart can't really practice CONSISTENT safe distancing - I go at opening time on senior's day (which isn't busy). They do a good job at safe distancing while you're in line at the cash or outside (waiting in line for the door to open). How do they do things at Costco now, I wonder? We don't use our membership card now since it's been always crowded. It's even harder for smaller grocery stores to enforce safe distancing in aisles. Bulk Barn is the ultimate though for precaution and safe distancing (providing mandatory gloves), and you get one employee to go with you as your personal assistant to get the items you want. You both maintain 6 feet distancing from each other, and you can't go into aisles where there is another couple getting stuffs. However - all that precaution will fall apart IF someone happens to sneeze in that small space! If masks aren't hard to get, I bet Bulk Barn will also provide the mandatory masks to wear. Breathing people? I don't think that statement comes from an informed - let alone intelligent - position. Please understand what you read. That's key to a rational discussion.

Start the crash course asap! As in ........NOW! Kidding aside, maybe you should make arrangements with his vet? Surely they'd know how to get to him?

Pushing the security of maintaining 6 feet of distancing (and washing of hands) as the ONLY means of stopping the rapid spread of this virus, is giving a false sense of security! What you guys are missing - or, wilfully dismissing - is the fact that no one here is advocating wearing a mask IN LIEU of distancing/washing of hands! I'm saying: Wearing a mask provides an ADDED protection! ADDITIONAL PROTECTION! WHAT IS FREAKIN' WRONG WITH THAT? Even Tam changed her tune: https://www.hilltimes.com/2020/04/07/politics-this-morning-412/242436 Some grocery stores do not enforce the safe distancing inside the store! Bulk Barn really takes it a step farther - but that's to protect their inventory and their staff. That's okay. Speaking of store clerks - they are at the front-line too. The clerks on the floor stocking shelves or cleaning spills - they are out there with the public! They should be protected from the public. You guys better understand what is being said. I think some of you are merely giving knee-jerk responses without giving any thought at all at what is being said! And you folks wonder why I have to resort to super large and colored fonts? The attempt to shame came from those folks who felt that people advocating for masks ought to be shamed! Go ahead - review the discussion! What I did was merely show that they are arguing from ignorance!

A lot of ignorant responses here coming from people who just want to argue for the sake of arguing! Even when their responses are so juvenile! Vaccines could be at least a year away - in the meantime, doctors and leaders are telling us to do our best to....... ......................help stop the virus from spreading FAST! Yoohooo, get that head of yours from under the sand. You're afraid - that's understandable. Fear can make someone irrational. You've got to face your fear! BUT, just because you want to convince yourself that this virus is no big deal, doesn't mean it isn't! Lol, you don't watch enough disaster movies, don't you? It's people with that mentality that are usually the first ones to go! The sooner you wrap your head around that, the better chance we'll have and safer we'll all be. Canada’s top doctor says wearing non-medical masks ‘sensible’ in certain situations Lol, now, people like Rue goes against Tam! I wonder how he'll try to put a spin on that.

Lol. Here we go: https://www.hilltimes.com/2020/04/07/politics-this-morning-412/242436 It's like pulling teeth, isn't it? As I've explained here - that's where I wear my mask - when shopping for my groceries! Lol again. As I've pointed out in the OP: HOW THE HECK DO I KNOW IF SOMEONE IS ASYMPTOMATIC? For all we know.....I COULD BE CARRYING THE VIRUS (ASYMPTOMATIC), AND I WOULDN'T KNOW IT EITHER! If you don't have any symptoms - how the heck would you even know you're sick? DUH? That's why we all should wear masks! Assume that we could be sick! It's better to err on the side of caution! Capisce?

No. It's about the inconsistencies in Dr Tam's updates. Read the OP. If it makes you feel any better about wearing a mask - Doug Ford had already seen the practicality of wearing a mask! Any ADDED PROTECTION is welcomed. You can make your own mask! Do you guys understand the critical situation of having so many patients swamping the hospital that doesn't have enough equipments for everyone? Can you imagine having several patients who can't breathe without any ventilators to give them? All you can do is hold their hands until they die! (IF we have enough frontline workers available for that). At a time like this, and all that worries you is about.........shaming?

Well - that one day a week you do your groceries could be just the day you happen to be 6 feet from an asymptomatic person, who sneezed into his arm a tad too late! The effort of staying home the full 6 days of that freakin week becomes all for naught! And like I said, the breeze/wind factor should be considered how far airborne virus can reach! 6 feet may not be the magic number! Being told to physically distance at 6 feet.......lulls you into false security that at 6 ft, you are unreachable! If one is in the habit of touching her face - the mask is more likely to serve as a reminder NOT TO! Lol. Believe me, the mask has its unique way to remind you it is there.......... plastered on your face!

Lol. Would you want to stick around to see if it just wants to play?

But you're the one being ignorant. That's the point.

Go ahead, fearless man. Btw, I'm not a "powerless" victim. I'm using my power - my thinking power. I'm not a mindless sheep that just take the words of politicians especially so when questionable statements are being made. Some reporters are also hammering away at the inconsistencies in Dr Tam's narrative! I'm not simply imagining it.

I dismiss your irrational response! You're cluttering the thread with your ignorant and short-sighted views. At least, politicians are doing their politicking - that's their excuse. What about you? What do you gain from arguing on this thread? You want to be superman? Show us you're fearless? Go ahead - I'm not stopping you!

Fear is a natural defense mechanism!

Do you? Do you understand what entails "airborne?" If I sneeze on a windy day and you're about 15 feet from me - you think it isn't possible for the droplets to reach you? You think everything is visible? You'll probably be lulled by your false sense of security that just because you're several feet away from me, that you're safe. You're taking a chance on something you hardly know. We don't know much about this virus.

I want to have an added protection. :shrug: Why is that so hard to register? Btw, how do you know for sure that 6 meters is enough? If someone sneezes - i suppose it depends on the strength of the sneeze. You've got to consider the wind factor, too -how windy or breezy it is can determine how far that sneeze droplet can go. Does the virus know enough to measure the distance?

You don't have the facts either! WE DON'T FULLY KNOW! Nothing wrong with fear. especially fear of something we don't fully understand! FEAR, is a natural self-preservation instinct! Wilfull ignorance - or the inability to foresee the possibilities, on the other hand, is not. It would be an anomaly. It can make you - or a loved one - dead! If we are in the wild, your chances for survival is nil.

It's not a matter of whether you're high-risked or scared! It's a civic duty to try to help stem the spread, especially so when we don't know how it will be in hospitals without any proper equipments! You don't want the hospitals to be swamped with gasping patients without any ventilators available. I don't understand the mentality on how you guys would try to dissuade people from doing what's only practical.

Well, I've heard that on one of the live updates - that the virus can stay in the air. Coronavirus can remain in air for 3 hours, live on plastic for days, new study says https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-live-plastic-stainless-steel-for-up-to-3-days Anyway, I'm not going to quibble whether that's true or not! No one seems to know exactly how this virus works (that's the only thing quite certain so far). If the shortages of medical equipment is so dire - all necessary methods to help lessen the spread should be taken.

Dr Tam obviously tries to evade saying wearing a mask helps lessen the risk of acquiring and spreading the virus (and she goes on the usual talking point of physical distancing and washing your hands).....and yet, she emphasizes that asymptomatic people can spread the virus! I feel like I'm being fed bull! Here's the question: If you don't have the symptoms, how would you know you don't have it? HOW THE HECK DO I KNOW IF SOMEONE IS ASYMPTOMATIC? For all we know.....I COULD BE CARRYING THE VIRUS (ASYMPTOMATIC), AND I WOULDN'T KNOW IT EITHER! If the virus can hung in the air (from someone's breath), and you can possibly get it by inhaling that invisible breath - what good is washing your hands? You ALSO need a mask! The mask is there to protect me. Why should I leave it to faith that everyone will cover their mouth when they cough or sneeze? The mask is there to protect others (just in case I have the virus)! If they're worried about people rushing to buy medical masks - why don't they just say so, and keep reminding people to leave the medical masks alone for frontline workers? Tell people they need to have a face covering, for heavens sake! Be it a home-made face shield, a scarf, a balaclava......or, even a BURQUA!

Then.....they tax you to your eyeballs! No pun intended. Canada doesn't have much to begin with (what we've got has already been spent - all these stimulus will have to come from somewhere). I suppose that's why Trudeau wanted the power to tax without any oversight from Parliament!

That's news to me. What "open" borders did conservatives want? As long as I can remember, they don't want an open border that makes migrants come in so easily. Conservatives want a PRACTICAL SCREENING process. As for free trade - who would've thought we'd be losing businesses (and jobs) to other countries? We've seen the downside of free trade - I suppose we just have to make sure we've got sensible, expert negotiators that wouldn't sell out Canada's interest when negotiating! SOMEONE LIKE TRUMP! Nothing wrong with free trade as long as it's fair!