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Is there somewhere we can click on the status of members if they got banned or suspended? How do some people know of this information? Thanks. Just being nosey....

But that's just it! It doesn't mean being a parasite! It's that type of mind-set that has got to change! Because if a woman equates being "looked after" to being a parasite....just because their marriage is following traditional roles...then obviously, she's equating womens' work to zero. Traditional roles should be viewed as, "working as a team." Both of you looking out for each other...both of you taking care of one another. You go out there dear and bring home the bacon. Don't worry, I'll hold the fort! Your end is covered. Whatever your arrangement may be, as long as it is not abusive of another....what is wrong with that? Whatever works well for a couple...they should go for it! If you guys have a nifty arrangement of both of you working out of the house...well, I say more power to you guys! It doesn't make you any less of a woman...same as the woman who prefers to stay at home is not any less, either. Her worth is equal to yours.

Exactly! Working out of the house or staying at home...no difference there. She did not have to wait on them hand and foot! Who sez we have to wait on them like little princes? I don't pick up toys in the daycare! Why should I? I'm already the one providing the toys...and I'm not the one playing with them. I say, if you can't pick up after yourselves...then don't touch those toys. Just play with the ones that don't need putting away...like the slide. My 2 year-old wipes their dining table...and put away the chairs. Even the 15 mos old is now "on-training." She better do something about it now. She better start doing her protest. If she thinks she'll just ride along until they're old enough to leave the nest...well she's in for a big surprise. Those boys are 3 big possible failures-to-launch waiting to happen! And even if they did manage to leave the nest.....with that attitude, what are the chances they'll have lasting relationships in this day and age? They'll beeee baaaaack.

I hear you. But then, whose fault is it...really? Unless she's being made to do it at gun point. Spoiled brats are made! You see some people just give in....for whatever reason. Some don't want to deal with arguments, so they just cave in...as they say, it's easier to cave in than putting up a fight! Just let them starve for several days...and see if they don't learn how to feed themselves! She should say, "why, are you all disabled? Do I carry the stove on my back that you all have to wait for me?" Make sure you give them a good simple recipe book though!

You'd be surprised to know that in this day and age, "staying at home" had taken on a new meaning. Lots of women stay at home......and they operate businesses at home! And usually the reason behind this move is that: they want to be their own boss! Being your own boss....is truly, "liberating!"

So there is this dilemma among the left: backing up an obvious oppressive belief in the fight for cultural freedom.....or standing up in defiance alongside these women. Those who try to bring in Christian or Jewish or other religious expressions into the argument....obviously are missing the point. Or they must know the quandary they're facing. And are refusing to deal with it.

The wife to the ambassador of Afghanistan, in collaboration with a few other women from Afghanistan are putting up an exhibit called, "Voices on The Rise". They are photographs of women in Afghanistan trying to make a difference. One woman journalist (Afghan) is shown thrusting a microphone in the face of a minister, surrounded by men....and here she is, covered from head to toe. Apparently, she eventually had to flee the country along with her family when the Taliban came. There are changes happening...but of course, it will take a very long time for change to come...and for them to catch up to their western counterparts. IF they eventually secure the freedom to do so. And that is a big, if. These women are truly oppressed. What western women had experienced in the old days... is nowhere near in comparison to what these women had gone through...and are still going through. More tough times ahead for these women, I'm afraid. It will be a real steep uphill battle. But knowing that there is help from the outside must be at least buoying for them. Knowing that someone is on their side.

I work with children....and working couples, remember? I see the strain and tremendous stress a lot of women are going through in those brief moments when they drop off or pick up their children. A mother at one time called to say she's going to be late a few minutes picking her child. Then she burst into tears ....apologizing for it, saying she's been having a bad day at work. Whenever some parents call to say they're going to be late (it doesn't happen often), I always reassure them not to worry....just drive safely. Even though it's not expected from me, I still give children of late-arriving parents a little snack. I know how it must be for Mom or Dad, already harried....then having to deal with a hungry child on top of that....rushing to make dinner. My lunch program had been planned and geared....to make life a little bit easier for working couples. They do not have to go through all the guilt of having to give their kids kraft dinner...or hot dogs....or just a simple sandwich and soup...or whatever that's easy for them to whip up....knowing that their children has had a big hot lunch, mostly home-made! A lot of couples today, especially women...seem to be running around carrying guilt on their shoulders for working out of the house and not being there for their children. That's a lot of burden to be lagging around with you all day, on top of everything else. For a lot, something will have to give. But then, for a lot...there's no choice but to work out of the house. I know that if I have a young child of my own, and if I have the option of making a choice (even to the point of giving up a few material things)....there'll be no question about it: my place is at home, with my child!

So what about this statement you've made? "I will consider myself a feminist until all the backass attitudes of the past have died away." The back-ass attitude ain't gone, Drea. It's alive and well! How ironic that it is now today's feminists like you who seem to have replaced those men, don't you think?

Drea, Drea, Drea.....what you're enumerating are the shallow props of any woman in a house.....whether they work out or in the house. Yes, thank God for all those modernized gadgets. And true, that it's a molly maid and nanny combo what most stay-at-home women have to face and do. Some out of choice, while for others there is no other choice. But it all depends on individual outlook. For some women, being there to greet their children as they come home from school and spending time around that kitchen table eating cookies and milk is very much preferable than turning their children into "latch-key kids"...coming home to an empty house. For some women...it is the QUALITY of life that they can provide for their family that is far more important....and priceless. The quality of life with lesser stress from running around like a chicken that just got its head chopped off balancing work, home, children, kids' schooling, extra-curriculum, driving to and from various destinations, appointments, meeting, job-related stress etc. Everything so compressed in one day....so is it any surprise why so many are taking Prozac these days? Some women however, are good at balancing everything. Some women thrive on that. Maybe you're one of them. But not all women want that kind of life. And that doesn't make them any less. If we are all given the choice and money is no object...I'm sure majority of married women would prefer to stay at home with their children.

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Thank you Black Dog.

I take it you work for commission? Not that there's anything wrong with that . It's a tough field....I hear it's cut-throat for some.

I guess if it's your opinion, hey what can I say. But it makes me wonder...do you even understand what you're supposed to be fighting for?

See, this is where I really have a big problem with today's feminists. This "put-down" on those who stay at home. Do you realize that the Women's Rights Movement had worked so hard for society to accept that women staying at home and looking after the family is equivalent to a full-time job? Before that, a woman could hardly expect anything from divorce. A lot of women were forced to stay in abusive relationships...because they rely on their husband's financial support. Alimony was a pittance, if ever. Thanks to that Women's Rights Movement....we now see a fair splitting of conjugal properties...and the inclusion of the woman's role in the house (and sometimes in her husband's business), in estimating the value of what should be divided. Your insistence that being a housewife is not a job is an insult...and a slap to all women. You have just rendered one of the most important goals of the Women's Rights Movement to nothing.

Interesting yes, because it is a report on today's view of the roles in marriage -- which have changed, like it or not, from those a generation ago. Yes, the roles of marriage had changed for a lot of couples. True, it makes an interesting read....as long as the report is accurate.

That's quite a general sweep. Why is it unrealistic? What about 2006?

No one said all men want wives like Mrs. Cleaver. So that means some men want wives like Mrs. Cleaver.

The cheating man has no responsibility of an affair? Blame it all on the other woman... after all how can any man resist a sexy woman. Poor, weak men need wives to protect them -- they have no mind of their own so they can't possibly be responsible for what their genitals do? Who is the man hater now? You believe men cannot control their urges -- that they are not responsible and cannot say "no" to a woman. I didn't say the man has no responsibility. In fact, I blame the husband the most....he should know better. But let's face it, why do they say it's never wise to get between or side with anyone between a battling husband and wife? Because if ever they happen to reconcile and settle their differences....after all is forgiven....guess who get's into the awkward position? If Domi and his wife reconcile and give their marriage another chance...and his wife continues to vent her anger and makes disparaging remarks towards Belinda, do you think Domi will stand up to his wife and protect Belinda? He would be wise to shut up and let his wife vent to her heart's content....and pray her venting does not point towards his direction. I've got several friends who's had this kind of problem. Believe me, whether their relationship managed to survive the ordeal, or not....a few things seem to remain the same. Maybe it's out of anger, bitterness or feigned amnesia...but, they'd all forgotten what their other woman's name is. They all refer to their other woman as "the bitch."

Norm Specter is not in politics. For the media to have entertained the "rantings" of this man just shows how the media is lapping this all up...and loving every minute of it! This is Enquirer-stuff! Boredom-buster for the millions who hardly give a hoot about politics...but gives a darn about how Jennifer Aniston's husband was stolen by an Angelina Jolie! And what gender is more likely to read about the saga of Jennifer Aniston? Women. and Gays. I bet if they can...the media will milk this for all it's worth.

Look at women's voting preference between end of Sept. and next week. I'll bet you it's the con party that will be sorry. If the Tories lost....it won't be because of Belinda. Don't forget, a lot of housewives out there too. And the mention of the Domi household reverberates to the hearts of those women who know how it feels to have a marriage threatened by an other woman. This is a new chapter. This is not about being a dog. This is about being a bitch. Meow.

Oh boy. What became of the big mouthers? McKay managed to fade to the background....and Stronach is still getting skewered. Who's sorry now?

Funny, but I thought today's Feminism is a religion. Isn't it? I could swear the blind faith their followers show would rival that of any Christian...or Muslim zealot. It just shows you....we all need to believe in something. For us Christians, it's Jesus....for Muslims, it's Allah...for the atheist, it's Nothing...etc.,

It's clearly a non-issue to Canadians. And yesterday, Milleken gave a stinging speech directed to ALL members, (amid what sounded like Liberals gasping)....and gave a clear ruling: he now considers this matter closed.

I'll leave that to you. They're not really to be taken seriously. The articles? Well I'll agree to that....slanted articles written by what look like slanted journalists...so of course, why should they be taken seriously?