betsy

Liberals have been calling phone shows on the radio, and on tv, impersonating ordinary citizens. This tactic especially appeal to the Liberals since they are such big liars to begin with. Conservatives are just taking a defensive stand.

It's too bad that if folks like betsy had their way, that high ground would be measured in milimetres. No. It's measured in miles. And we're miles high.....well, I am anyway. The only thing miles high about the terrorists is their victims. I don't know how you feel. Maybe you've aligned yourself with Drea. I feel superior to these guys who are blowing people sky-high. The only good aspect is that they're blown miles high too. I guess it's the dwarfs! Everybody gets dwarfs! Virgins my a**.

And how are you judging who qualifies as an enemy? Why, race and religion! What? That they are religious fanatics is the the reason they are our enemy? NO! It's because they're shooting at us and threatening us and killing our soldiers! And soon our children! THAT'S why they're our enemy. They just happen to be religious fanatics. Did we defend against the Nazis because they were religious fanatics or because they were German? No, it was because they threatened us and killed our soldiers and our allies. At least get a grip on reality if you can't get a grip on logic!!

No wonder you're confused. You didn't even read the post!

Now that's scary. Corrections. You seemed to have missed a significant part of that statement....therefore, you have it out of context. Here is the complete statement. Still scary. Oh well, what can I say if you get scared so easily. If it's scary to you.... it's scary. I won't argue with you about that.

Really. "The role of the emperor of Japan has historically alternated between that of a supreme-rank cleric with largely symbolic powers and that of an actual imperial ruler. An underlying imperial cult (the idea of Arahitogami) regards the emperor as being descended from gods" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_emperor "When the Emperor passed by we had to bow our heads very low. We were made to believe that the Emperor was too awe inspiring for ordinary humans to look upon directly.” Such was the depth of reverence afforded the Japanese Emperor. Children were, in fact, told that they would go blind if they looked directly upon the face of the Emperor. Devotion to the Emperor meant being willing to die for him. Thus, children were taught in school from a very young age to willingly give their lives to defend the leader. Young people were taught that they were aohitogusa – growing human weeds – who were to protect the Emperor by serving as his shield. This was, of course, seen as a great privilege. To die for the Emperor was the highest honor that could be attained. The Japanese people were actually taught that their Emperor was of divine origin. So, for them in battle, a supernatural protection would be in effect. Many believed that bullets would simply bounce off them in battle because they were fighting for their God Emperor. Such beliefs in the Godlike status of the Emperor have existed in Japan for well over a thousand years. Because of the awe that surrounded the Emperor it was considered inappropriate for him to have any dealings with affairs of state. He was, therefore, given a staff of deputies who served under him and handled all matters regarding the making and execution of policy. The role of the Emperor was far more priestly than political. From about the Ninth Century onwards the real political ruler of Japan was the Shogun. Although the Emperor theoretically appointed the Shogun, it was the Shogun who was the real ruler. In 1867, however, The Shogun relinquished rulership to the Emperor. It was in that year that Meiji became Emperor of Japan. Later he was to grant a constitution to his subjects that stated that the Emperor was “sacred and inviolable.” Yet, despite granting himself political authority, Meiji did not actually exercise that authority. He was content to remain a figurehead. " http://iaia.essortment.com/japaneseemperor_rfac.htm

Now that's scary. Corrections. You seemed to have missed a significant part of that statement....therefore, you have it out of context. Here is the complete statement.

So now you desperately grasp at anything to throw at me. From religion....to feministic fantasy....to daddy? <yawn> And now I'm a bigot, you say. Like as if I'd care a twit what you think of me. Coming from you - who has proudly aligned her morals to the very same level as those who think nothing of torturing men and women just for the sheer pleasure of it, and deliberately blowing up civilians and children to bits - your opinion means nothing to me. Besides I'd much prefer to be a called a bigot, than to be known as a collaborator or a traitor! Well, seeing that we're not on the same level at all - with me up here and you down there - I have no wish to waste my time on you. My last advice to you: whatever you do, don't settle for the dwarfs. Bad choice. Hasta la vista.

Well you and BuffyCat seem to have your perspectives all screwed up if you both can't even understand....let alone see the stark difference between our ways and their ways! I am busy right now so I cannot really get into this...perhaps later. But before I leave let me just throw a teeny-weeny name.....one of thousands....but perhaps this name will strike a chord into your hearts, after all she is a Canadian woman of Iranian descent...whose only mistake happened to be that of holding a camera. Her torture, beatings and murder made the headlines! Hers may not be the "internment" we are talking about, BUT her tragedy may perhaps give you and BuffyCat - although I do have grave doubts about that - a little idea what being interned in the bowels of hell would be like if you happen to be....an enemy. Kazemi. If you feel good seeing yourself as morally equal with those barbarians and insisting that you are, who am I to say nay? So you relate with them! But I still say, morally, I am not their equal! I am superior!

First of all, internment has nothing to do with race or religion. It has to do with enemy status. Second, do you prefer Iraq's method to internment - shoot them in the streets or in their homes? Do you really believe that Jews in Iraq or Iran are safe? Unless of course, they're collaborators or capitulators. Further I would rather take my chances on the streets in Iran or Iraq than being interned by those lunatics! You can be sure Jews in custody there would lose much more than their lands. This has a lot to do with MORAL HIGH GROUND . Actually it is insulting to all Canadians to compare internment in Iran to internment here! We are a superior people.

And to whom are you loyal to? A democratic nation of Canada or extremists wishing upend the rule of law? Suddenly the issue isn't internment? What are you trying to say? Expand.

I guess it is about what the American flag stands for - that's what gives Steyn this "fuzzies". I definitely wouldn't have any warm fuzzies if our flag was torched following the flag of Zimbabwe or Cuba or Iran. I wouldn't even feel any fuzzies - in fact I'd be a little bit worried - if ours followed the torching of France's (knowing the nudge-nudge-wink-wink among other allies during WW2). Relating this to everyday life....I wonder who among you would have the "fuzzies" if your "taste" and lifestyle was compared to that of trailer-park trash instead of, let's say....Jackie O? Huh? What does THAT mean?

And you are assuming that not one Japanese would have acted upon the words of the emperor, had there been no internment. Do you have anything to back up this assumption? It is easy to make your "assumption" in confidence now that we're in the present times and discussing a war-time that had happened half a century ago. This is like giving the results of 6/49 lotto....making "assumptions" and "predicting" the winning numbers of December 31, 2006. I don't know if Hitler, speaking as a divine, had issued a direct edict towards all Germans, near and far....reminding them of their duty and where their loyalties should lie. That first and foremost, they (Germans) are Germans. I don't know if Germans do take their honor so seriously as that of Japanese people....or if German soldiers were willing to die not only for their country, but for their emperor.......just like the Japanese kamikaze pilots....which incidentally makes me wonder now if they (the Kamikaze) were not the inspiration that the 9/11 pilots copy-catted! I know definitely that if the responsibility of taking care of Canadian citizens had happened to rest on my shoulders durng those days, I would never have gambled upon it, and would've taken the POSSIBILITY quite seriously.... that some Japanese-Canadians would've responded and followed the emperor's edicts! In fact, I would have assumed that some would. After all, borrowing the words from one NDP MP, "it's better to err on the side of caution! " It was not just about Canada either! It was a WORLD WAR! The balance of world power was in great peril! My mother in-law's father was interned. He was German. Her mother was closely watched. And yet she understood only too well the necessity of it! War is war. It's always ugly. There would always be innocent casualties. That is a fact. That is reality.

I've said this before in that other thread long ago, and I'll say it again. If it is my ethnic group who is at war with Canada, I'd prefer to be interned! What kind of a life would it be anyway for me being among people whom I think suspect, hate, resent or are wary around me - even if it's only paranoia on my part? Do I want to live in fear everytime I go out to do my groceries that not some rabid emotional patriot will pound the daylights out of me? That I must take very special care that my actions or words are not misconstrued....and attract suspicion or possible lynching? Do you really believe I'd still enjoy the same life of true freedom I had before? And what if indeed some people in my group are terrorists or traitors, hiding among us, using us as some sort of a shield? Us innocents will be more likely to get caught in the middle. It's better that we stay "out of the way!" Maybe it will be hard to intern people, ala-WW2, now in this situation. It's a different ball-game I must say. But I guess they'll come up with something that will make it easier for them to monitor or keep track of the situation, and keep the rest of Canadians as safe as possible. Maybe instead of camps, they'll put us all in an island or a district? Who knows. So do you agree with Hilter's final solution. Sounds like you think the same as he did. If this is what you think I'm implying....then what's the point of talking to you! Your mind must've been confiscated by the thought-police, as a curiosity.

Why do they think the left-wing lunatics in Israel are any different than the left-wing lunatics in our own countries. Left-wing loonies are left-wing lonies! Don't forget, Jews were responsible for 9/11 in the eyes of anti-semitic left-wing loonies! Maybe they were even the ones flying the planes. They were probably just kidding when they were screaming "Allah is not gay!" Or was that, "Mohammed was gay!" Who knows with these tooners.

Btw, weren't you one of those who says this is not a religious war?

comments like this sound like you are frothing at the mouth to have it happen... to justify your stance. Terrible IMO. Imagine that. Me just stating what is very possible...and you're already finding it terrible. What more when it happens? And it will! Funny that you find it so terrible that Canadian children will die....but you don't seem to find it so terrible how Isreali children get blown to bits in pizza parlors. Funny too how the left-wing mind works. Even when it does happens, odds are you'll be in denial. Frothing to have it happen? I'm the one who says we should do something to prevent it! Drea, how does your mind work?

Then maybe the "criteria for internment" - or whatever form of "containment" the government wants to call it - will not be through race. It will be that of religion.

I've said this before in that other thread long ago, and I'll say it again. If it is my ethnic group who is at war with Canada, I'd prefer to be interned! What kind of a life would it be anyway for me being among people whom I think suspect, hate, resent or are wary around me - even if it's only paranoia on my part? Do I want to live in fear everytime I go out to do my groceries that not some rabid emotional patriot will pound the daylights out of me? That I must take very special care that my actions or words are not misconstrued....and attract suspicion or possible lynching? Do you really believe I'd still enjoy the same life of true freedom I had before? And what if indeed some people in my group are terrorists or traitors, hiding among us, using us as some sort of a shield? Us innocents will be more likely to get caught in the middle. It's better that we stay "out of the way!" Maybe it will be hard to intern people, ala-WW2, now in this situation. It's a different ball-game I must say. But I guess they'll come up with something that will make it easier for them to monitor or keep track of the situation, and keep the rest of Canadians as safe as possible. Maybe instead of camps, they'll put us all in an island or a district? Who knows.

as John Cleese said in the 'Cheese Shop Skit'; Do please explain the logic underlying that conclusion. What logic is required to make an observation? It's based on what you two said in your less-than-intelligent post. Check out Jerry's last post! He understands.

Yes! Indeed! We should when it becomes an all-out war! And it soon will....the Taliban is already threatening attacks on our soil. Canadians will need a few of their children killed - rather than just those Israeli children - before they find it appropriate to react.

Of course, the MAIN reason the Japanese were interned was the fact that the Emperor of Japan - whom Japanese consider "divine" - had called upon all Japanese, reminding them that they must be loyal to Japan, no matter where they were. That they were Japanese, first and foremost. This, combined with the well-documented atrocities of the Japanese Empire compelled our government to act. The internment was the responsibility of our government. Not a whim or a bigotted move. We should be so lucky that our government should have those balls now, because we're going to be in a similar situation soon....but with a much more imminent threat.

I think it is naive to assume that life goes on as usual during war-time. That it will not change people in some ways. Suspicions and distrust towards the Japanese, are just a couple of emotions that some people may have had towards this group. These people need not be bigots or red-necks to have those feelings of doubts, although I have no doubt that racism and bigotry in others could've just as easily come to the fore. If you ask any of your relatives who had lived during those times, ask them if it ever crossed their minds - even only once - to question...or to doubt the loyalties of Japanese living among them, I wonder how many of them can truly and honestly say: "No. I NEVER had any doubts at all. EVERY SINGLE Japanese living in this country during that time did not have divided loyalties! I was sure of that." I do not blame anyone who had entertained any doubts, nor do I think they were bigots....for I think "wariness" comes naturally in trying times such as war. When I say it is for their own protection, I do mean just that. Those who'd lost a son or a father, small towns and counties counting the dead among its young boys and men, those who'd heard of the Japanese brutalities in prison camps, etc....these could all trigger something nasty. Sure it's easy to say why didn't we let the cops protect them.....but is it that easy? BUT, as I've said, what was wrong was the fact that the Japanese were treated like enemies,and their properties were taken away. I remember being involved in a heavy discussion about a possible internment of Muslims (and of course the Japanese internment was also discussed) somewhere in this forum....but I couldn't remember the title of the topic, otherwise I would provide the link. I'll try to do a search.

It's funny how some people express their pride. Both Drea and Peter imagine Canadians - and therefore themselves - as superior to the Americans. That in itself is funny enough. But to make it funnier, they attack the best ally we have - the one who will protect their freedom when our own country fails to do so - and at the same time, with a bravado they find repulsive in Americans, they pretend not to care about our lunatic enemies' feelings about us.

Oh. Okay. I thought you wanted to discuss something.