betsy

Please folks, let's stay on topic.

Can you please create another thread for Bible translations and corruptions of the Bible. That is irrelevant to the argument I'm giving. Corrupted or not..... all mainstream Bibles have the same rendition of the evidences being given to support the argument that, the Creator has intimate knowledge of His creation: All from the Book of Genesis 1 and 2: *In the beginning (consistent with science's discovery that the universe had a beginning) *All waters gather to one place, and land appear (consistent with science's claim that in the early times there was only one super ocean and only one super continent - Pangaea and Panthalassa) *The waters bringing forth creatures that has life (compatible with evolutionist claim that life started in the water). *"After their kind" in relation to reproduction - without any mention of genders, except to humans - male and female - (consistent with science discovery that some species don't require a mate in order to reproduce. Some creatures are asexual) *God formed man from dust (consistent with science finding that the human body is made up of elements that comes from dirt/dust). *God's curse towards the snake that it would from henceforth crawl on its belly and eat dust (compatible with science's discovery that snakes used to have limbs or legs) *Man's dominion of animals (consistent with reality - as can be observed, even today) ------------------------ *Stretches the Heavens (consistent with science discovery that the universe is stretching). Take note that most of the verses uses the present tense "stretches." How appropriate! The universe is still stretching. *Psalm 102:25-26, Isaiah 51:6, Hebrews 1:10-11 indicate the universe is wearing out (consistent with the Second Law of Thermodynamics)

And somehow, you have manged to turn a practical observation from this terribe tragedy into one of your "Islamophobia" post! For looking at it from a practical angle? Your despicable attempt to deflect from reality - and to label - is the tragedy in itself. Irrelevant! See? No one can say anything. You're trying to turn this thread into another labelling of Islamophobia! You should change your tunnel-vision goggles into something wider-ranged. Truth be told, it's people like you who propagate Islamophobia! I don't think I've ever made a claim that you wouldn't find any goodness among Muslims!

I didn't miss any point. You've just made your previous message wishy-washy. There's nothing "supposedly" about God being just. Connect the dots. Below, is your post to which I responded to: Your statement was made.......... ...............on the premise that rational mind and free will, were God-given. And were given to His creation! That's why I responded like this: I imagine, if there will be anyone who'll be tortured for all eternity, it will be His creation who show not only rejection, but such contempt for their Creator. If God gave His creation a rational mind, and He gave reasonable evidence for His creation to believe that He is indeed the Creator - and instead of obedience, His creation had used his free will to be arrogant and defiant (having been warned fully well what's in store for such a creation in the last judgement for such behaviour towards God - God even showed examples of His wrath towards the Jews - and that's nothing compared to what awaits the arrogant unrepentant).........what do you think? Look at it this way: We all know we have a penalty against murder - and yet someone still decides to commit murder - what do you think happens? We say, " it's okay.........we're only kidding?" Is that "just" to you? What about the victim? Where is justice for him?

We know and understand only what the Creator wants us to know and understand.

I'm simply responding to what you said. You brought up God and eternal punishment. Here.... You're giving your argument along the Christian viewpoint, so expect a response along that line. Cheeeesh....

The following are some evidences for the argument that the Creator has intimate knowledge of His creation. Only the Creator would know of these things that were verbally passed through generations and finally written in the Bible - thousands of years before science discovered and reaffirms them. More will be added. All from the Book of Genesis 1 and 2: *In the beginning (consistent with science's discovery that the universe had a beginning) *All waters gather to one place, and land appear (consistent with science's claim that in the early times there was only one super ocean and only one super continent - Pangaea and Panthalassa) *The waters bringing forth creatures that has life (compatible with evolutionist claim that life started in the water). *"After their kind" in relation to reproduction - without any mention of genders, except to humans - male and female - (consistent with science discovery that some species don't require a mate in order to reproduce. Some creatures are asexual) *God formed man from dust (consistent with science finding that the human body is made up of elements that comes from dirt/dust). *God's curse towards the snake that it would from henceforth crawl on its belly and eat dust (compatible with science's discovery that snakes used to have limbs or legs) *Man's dominion of animals (consistent with reality - as can be observed, even today) ------------------------ *Stretches the Heavens (consistent with science discovery that the universe is stretching). Take note that most of the verses uses the present tense "stretches." How appropriate! The universe is still stretching. *Psalm 102:25-26, Isaiah 51:6, Hebrews 1:10-11 indicate the universe is wearing out (consistent with the Second Law of Thermodynamics)

Some darwinist scientists claim that Genesis talks about evolution. One scientist wrote the book called The Genesis Enigma - showing in details how Genesis talks about evolution! Here's an example: Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1200486/The-Genesis-enigma-How-DID-Bible-evolution-life-3-000-years-Darwin.html#ixzz4kLkpDrNQ While another prominent scientist claims DNA as the "Language of God." Don't you wonder why the Bible seems to "talk" to them on that level that involves science?

Do you see any way how UK can deal with this problem? They have to remove those claddings......or, lie about what caused the fire to spread so rapidly.

30,000 buildings more, use that same cladding.

You know.........on one hand you can understand why the UK will cut corners to have all these housings. Let's be practical here. How can a country really sustain taking in so many people - so many of them can hardly support themselves - and, at the same time, provide for them? Being more socialist like we are, it's not like as if they don't have their own to worry about already! However, to take risks with safety such as that - that's definitely the wrong way to cut corners. Aside all the unnecessary deaths and loss, just imagine the lawsuits and settlements that will surely follow. And, they still face the same problem of having so many buildings with that cladding to deal with. And they're really vulnerable to terrorist attacks. All you need is one person living in a building to get radicalized....and you could possibly have another scenario like Greenfell. They're stuck!

.....and here's another silliness that emerged from your post. Only teenagers - and weak people - make a big deal and are worried about what others say about them. Trump didn't come to his position in business doing that. You should know that by now. They can laugh and roll their eyes all they want - what matters is if Trump had achieved what he wanted. He did, with NATO deadbeat members. Look, even Canada (after all the humming and aaahh-aaahhing), is going to pay. They can laugh and roll their eyes all they want, but no sitting president had ever managed to get most leaders of Islamic countries come together, and have the kind of reception given to Trump in Saudi Arabia. They all sat to listen to Trump. Just compare the reception to Obama's last visit - no one had greeted him even at the tarmac!

Imagine how people in the UK, those who live in highrises......just imagine how they must feel, wondering if their building uses the same cladding. And if you do know that it does uses the same cladding, can you really have a peaceful sleep?

You got no so-called evidence! In fact, it's the other way around. When presented by evidence showing your beliefs are false, ignore (refuse to process) the evidence and retreat back to your safe space.

As far as I know.....the first Commandment is the most important of all Commandments. I imagine, if there will be anyone who'll be tortured for all eternity, it will be His creation who show not only rejection, but such contempt for their Creator. You're kneeling down and praying before a god? Make sure it's before The TRUE God.

So many non-Muslims had lost loved ones, too, you know. All over the world. The Coptic Christians gunned down in a bus recently, comes to mind. The latest among Canadian casualties was Chrissy Archibald in London. You're dismissing the loss of other people? Whether you agree with me or not - whether you find my statement callous or just too blunt, I don't care - that's the reality we live in now. The more killing being done, the more people get disensitized. We reap what we sow. Hate begets hate, same as love begets love. If there'll be any lecturing to be done about hate-killing - better make sure our wagging fingers point to all shades.

Canada being a western nation (like the USA) ......HE is anti-Canadian. That's the reality of it.

You were saying about Canada, HE?

It's also an effective ploy to silence critics. Look where we are now. Our right to express has been effectively clipped, not only by the Muslim Brotherhood.....but by our political leaders as well.

Hate. It can be a two-way street, sister.

That stats was for 2015, btw. Just so we're clear on that.

The Muslim woman who took her burqua to court that she can do her citizenship with her face covered - and won - had contributed greatly to the rise in hate crimes against Muslims, I bet. When you come to a house that showed you generosity of kindness, and you repay that by challenging its own rules, and you manage to upset what's traditional - and impose your own on them - of course, there'll be deep resentments. What do you think? Funny, the Islamic talking head woman (in that photo) , who was interviewed on CTV and CBC didn't see that as the most likely reason for the rise, and no one in the media brought it up, either. They're all pointing at Harper. Dough-heads.

If you can't see how Trump exercise his kind of "persuasion" - nothing gentle about it, I must add - and failed to see that despite all the ridicules and whinings coming from everywhere, he's managed to "persuade" NATO deadbeat members to dance to his tune (not to mention some Islamic leaders in Islam countries) - then, (to borrow your phrase), you must be dummer than a sack of hammers. I hasten to add that was meant as a general statement

We watched in horror as we saw a fast-version of the Towering Inferno. We sympathised, and emphatised with those trapped in the building. It's like watching a horror movie. The visuals on tv and on youtube, are quite raw and dramatic. And now, the whole world knows too, that it was those claddings that got the fire to spread so quickly, and engulfed a 24-story highrise in only a couple of hours. We also know that most highrises in UK, are enveloped with those flammable claddings. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4610250/30-000-buildings-UK-wrapped-killer-cladding.html#ixzz4kFr7PfLE How will the government and building owners manage to remove those claddings? I don't know how true but I heard it will cost about 20 million dollars just to remove them from a highrise. It's also so stupid to air this kind of information to the public. One of the biggest weaknesses is revealed. It poses a grave threat to national security. The UK is now a sitting duck! Just think. Think like a terrorist.

Wading into the crowds.......what good would that do? When a crowd is angry.....they'd lash at anyone. Reason is gone. Was it May who approved the use of those claddings? Is she responsible for them? More likely, she would've been the red flag to a snorting, mad bull.