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I also think the holocaust denier laws were put in place to cast a dark shadow over the Jews and make them the suspects in what is ultimately happening. I think the true powers have always used Jews for this and that the Jews were used in ww2 to get the central bankers a foothold in the middle East where usery is against their religion.

I have only seen one conspiracy video of the holocaust and it wasn't convincing. I don't think the Holocaust is relevant to todays politics. There are plenty of government documents and observations that show a mass holocaust for all central banker controlled countries around the world will occur at some point in the next few years. Zundel is a hero, whether he is right or wrong he stood by his beliefs and went to jail for the sake of his beliefs, need for the truth and sense of community. Many of the leaders in power today do not share these qualities and are often backstabbers, liars and war criminals. People like Zundel do not do well in a nihilist philosophy based civilization. In our civilization it is the scum that rises to the top. This always happens when there is a vast separation between the rich and poor. The uber rich dvelop a sinse of malfeasance toward the rest of the population, this nihilism plants itself in the culture and the civilization slowly falls apart. The people of the world would be far better off if Zundel was released and the likes of Bush, Harper and Blair were sent to the hague, not to mention the group of war criminals that currently plays advisor roles at the white house. We currently live in the most dangerous time in history, many people know about the lies about WMD's but cannot handle the fact that the lies actually run much deeper - even with all the evidence. I would have thought the fact that three bombs were found at Oklahoma would wake everyone up. It sure did when it happened while I was in school but those people were much smarter and well read than the average internet discussion group poster of these days.

Many people are aware of the planned mass executions but will not discuss them because they think the plans are only for dark skinned people. I've known about this since around 1991. The fake terrorsist attacks are being used to start wars with unco-operative countries that are not yet controlled by private central bankers. Every controlled country has a network of concentration camps. These can be found where they are conveniently linked by rail and are sometimes built into old railway stations.

Actually the Bushes financed Hitler. They are also preparing for a repeat performance of the Holocaust. The detention centers are all linked by rail for rapid movement of people. Some of the detention centers have asphixiation facilities. Oliver North drew up the plans for Rex 84 and more importantly Operation Night Train 84. This government document describes the testing procedures use to pick members of the armed forces that would participate, it explains that the operation must be carried out orderly and quickly (making second thoughts or idle thoughts impossible) and the varying degrees of force required to get people onto the trains. The idea is to kill about 350,000 of us per day according to CFR member Jacques Ceausteau. When the operation starts there will be a media blackout and the police or foreign soldiers will gather people up late at night and get them onto the trains by saying there is some kind of national emergency. The trains themselves go up to the facility and 4 cars at a time enter the asphixiation chambers and everyone aboard is asphixiated. Much of this can be found in the documents "Rex 84" and "Operation Night Train 84" by doing a google search on these documents. There are lots of photos of the concentration camps but the trains used to transport people have had their photos removed. I have seen one photo showing the benches and shackles that are on the trains that will be used to transport people. Its silly not to think this could happen because: (1) Much of the FEMA budget is a black budget (2) Its happened at least four times in the last century and the same people that run Russia, China and Germany run our countries (international bankers) (3) The council of foreign relations has plenty of documents that explain the need for popuylation reduction and why - technology is empowering people. (4) Numerous independent reports of concentration camps have been circulated on the web. (5) Even Keith Oberman admits to the detention centers. (6) The existence of the detention centers was first brought up during the Iran Contra hearings. (7) Many people currently in the white house are considered to be war criminals by the international community. People like George Soros and Henry Kissinger cannot travel to amny countries for fear of being arrested and sent to the Hague. (8) All the lies about terrorism, war and the involvement of the "WMD Twins" (Cheney & Rumsfeld)

Plato explains that war is fought for money. So does WAR IS A RACKET by Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Recipient: Major General Smedley D. Butler, USMC [Retired]

Catharine Austin Fitts, an ex banker had an interview on Rense. She says the central bank / war model is failing. I wonder what that means. Weapons makers and such making piles of money off wars is merely a side affect to the true nature of war finance. The money used to make weapons gets borrowed from the banksters. They also finance re construction effort and in our wars we destroy all infrastructure to maximize the need for reconstruction. We usually go to war with countries that do not have private central banks. When the war is over we install the IMF financing to finance the reconstruction efforts using fiat currency lent at face value. The debt is normally so high that the governments cannot possibly pay it so the banks seize control and keep lending them more money to pay the interest while enslaving the population for corporations. Thats how you get 12 year olds making Nike running shoes for pennies an hour working 18 hours per day. But they would never do that to us. Don't worry abouit this whole North American Union thing. These rich CEOs and bankers see us as their countrymen and they wouldn't do that to us because we are so much like them. Slavery is only for dark skinned people. Many books and videos explain this: Confessions Of An Economic Hit Man by John Perkins explains it all and how people that work for the IMF acually think they are doing good. The Money Masters video also explains it all.

No one will ever convince these gentle folk that there government may be culpable in some wrong doing. The only available strategy is to expose them for fools. Maybe these guys are working for the bankers and the bankers have agreed to fly them to the UK and take their pictures of them kneeling before the queen in return for their web conspiracy debunking efforts.

When people don't pay their loans you have debt free currency floating around in the economy that they cannoit collect interest on. Bankers are happy to make high risk loans but if too many people default then they are in trouble because of the amount of debt free currency. Its like bugs in the kitchen, but seeing one or two and not doing anything about it means you will have more. I guess you don't believe any of those quotes about banking or do you ?

CatchMe: I will put references up for this - lets see if it will make a difference. See Graphic Put Options. I suppose that this is normal statistically ? Tell me what you think.

You got me there. I usually refer to them as the "WMD Twins". They have been playing the "WMD / secret intelligence/ don't ask questions" gig now since Russia wanted to stop the cold war.

I am a left leaning libertarian. Its funny that I get labled as a lefty of this forum when I am never in that kind of debate. Just because I think society has gone corrupt does not mean that I am a left winger. I am a paleo conservative.

Confusion is well documented in confusing explanations. I don't think confusion can be blamed on three buildings collapsing straight down in one day without any controlled demolition. Do you think Cheneys stand down order was a product of this confusion ? What about the "annonymous" put options. One would have to be confused to believe you can buy stock annonymously. I think lawyers are generally confused people who have a job that involves robbing people and making things administratively difficult rather than dealing with facts. If you think this is a stupid thread then why not either (1) go elsewhere (2) show off some of that wonderful intelligence and integrity that lawyers always bragging about. It just seems stupid to me to continuously participate in something that you believe is stupid. I think 911 is the event of our century and not only has the event caused the deaths of 3000 people directly, but around 10,000 - 12,000 American soldiers + 500,000 or so Iraqui deaths, countless Afgan deaths, the police state, the declining real economy, and many future wars that Bush has planned against other nations that do not have private central banks such as Iran & Syria. I think maybe its time for jbg to grow up and realize the seriousness of the matter, the stupidity of automatically believing everything the government says, and the fact that if you are in favour of war then you should sign up because Canada & USA are short of people willing to lay their lives on the line for imperial ambitions. Or are you just in favour of having other people fight and die for your stock portfolio jbg ? So when are you going to sign up jbg ? Protect us from those terrorists in these wars that you speak so fondly of. Its called "putting your money where your mouth is". Try it sometime. Weasel.

I spend more time on these forums than most but every time someone shares my opinions you morons seem to want to make some kind of accusation or suggestion like this. Its the level of arguement I have grown to accept but one day you will learn that there are many people that are beginning to understand how our society is based on corruption. Of course, JBG knows what is going on he is just playing most of you people for fools. After all, the only real reason why lawyers make so much money is that they ultimately protect the money interest who's power is largely derived from war and the associated borrowing that occurs for war machinery and the efforts of rebuilding. Its like a big pile of excement, the excrement at the top depends on the excement beneath for its position on the pile.

I own about five remotes but they are sitting in a box somewhere. I don't know where but I think you have to actually use them to have any affect on IQ. As far as news goes every channel is the same. Same as most of the other crap except Simpsons & South Park.

Baylee, do you know anything about physics ? If so ask Riverwind to explain 911 physics for you 8-)

Two - and it was congressional testimony. Are you suggesting that those guys just lied ? Perhaps they were working for Osama and part of the conspiracy to make 911 look like an inside job ?

I think BayLee is refering to those hijacked jets that they never intercepted after the first attack in NY. I guess the military missing those is another one of those 911 coincidences. It doesn't have anything to do with the congressional testimony regarding Cheneys orders to stand down...

What did Hillier ever do wrong ? Is it because he has spoken up against the banks that has you not liking him ?

I bet the remote control has lowered the average IQ by about 10 points.

I met Carla & Paul when I lived in St Catharines selling TV's for Granada as a kid. Carla & Paul came in to look at consoles. Paul said he wanted a console and was being a big shot so I asked him how he was going to pay for it and he said cash. So I excused myself from the show room to have a look in the stock room to see what we had so that I could decide what to sell him. To get to the stock room I had to walk through two of our offices. Those two pieces of crap actually followed me through the offices into the stock room. I told them to leave the store. I never saw anyone do that before. Really really wierd- the guy acted like he owned the place. Having met them I have also read the books about the case. That lawyer is probably just getting publicity. These middle class people cannot afford a lawyer to work for them like that - only other lawyers can afford that.

Perhaps after you have presented papers on how all those economists are wrong about banking, engineers and physicists are wrong about 911 perhaps, after you get your picture on Time as Man Of The Year you can do a presentation on the economy and Kyoto and straighten everyone out. I don't believe Global warming is real, but I don't think you are either. You are too full of yourself to actually be real.

Judy Wood who is a member of ASCE doesn't go along with the official version, what makes you think all the others do ? Which engineers actually go along with the official version in these organizations ? But their ideas on what happened are rediculous.

The "central banker/war" model as the ex banker Catharine Austin Fitts calls it is running out of fuel. These same forces that operate on other countries are being turned on us. The US gov had to be involved to get the military to stand down but as as far as culpability differences between MIHOP and LIHOP go, do they exist ? Is there any moral difference between the two ?

I just wanted to see what peoples reaction to this would be in the New World Order. If I claimed to be the tooth fairy should I be arrested ?

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