PolyNewbie

Its in the Bible - the only time Jesus Christ ever advocated the use of violence was when they were against the money changers. I had read that somewhere and had a bible scholar confirm it. Bankers have been around for a long time, but with the information age and the group think that occurs as a result of computers many people are beginning to see it. Some people are just too stupid I guess because it is obvious if you choose to look. There are enough bankers that have admitted it and are saying it.

Bankers have been running the world for well over 1000 years.

Building construction and design is not what happened on 911. What happened on 911 is not studied by civil engineers. There are plenty of engineers, civil and otherwise that think 911 was an inside job. If thats not enough then you can look at all tyhe seemingly impossible coincidences around 911. You, on the other hand, have absolutely *no evidence* to support your claims than Bin Laden did it from a cave in Afghanistan. You shouldn't lie and say the majority of civil engineers support the official version of 911. I suspect that many of them simply will not look at the collapse of wtc 7 because its obvious. Even the FEMA report says the official investigation has a very low probability of being true. The NIST report was directed by a Pentagon propogandist, not engineers.

So these ex presidents, bankers and economists are simply misinformed about the bankers ability to create money and their power over society ? I don't see how your post is even relevant - call it whatever you want, justify it however you want. The banks do not lend money they already have. They create it.

I was actually going to be a cop but on the way home from work one day I saw a cruiser pull over grab some two bit criminal who I knew off the sidewalk and the cop grabbed the guy, threw him against the cruiser and gave him a series of rabbit punches. Right in broad daylight in St Catharines. That was it right there for my ambitions on being a cop - that and an incident when they were called to where I lived and the place still smelled like a brewery after the cop left. I'm surprised he could even stand up. This was 20 years ago. I think some of the younger guys spend a lot of time watching TV and playing computer games - they don't have the life experience to see how things really are. We have a culture of corruption in the justice system and in politics because central bankers want it that way. They are implementing the Hegelian dielect - tear society apart from the inside with corruption then provide a new system to clean it up that works even more in their favour. I wonder why some people haven't woken up to the fact that the banks actually control everything because they control eductation through UNESCO, medacine, all politicians. Politics is all a big dog and pony show and about 30 % of people have woken up to this. The corruption in society isn't happening by accident - its all be design. Lawyers and judges are above the law because they protect the money interest and maintain the balance of power in favour of the oiligarchy. They are analogeous to the house slaves.

That day was the day I went to the police station to try and file a complaint agianst the lawyer. You can't complain about lawyers.

Outside my apartment there was a gang of police with one of their steroid enhanced security guard buddies pushing people around just inside pretending to be a cop with a blue POLICE T - shirt on. He was clearly with them and impersonating a cop and just generally being a stupid thug but when I complained to the cops about what he was doing they just laughed and said the POLICE T-shirt was really for the rock band called "The Police" - which you would only believe if you are stupid. On another occasion a cop that was off duty and in uniform assaulted me then he said he was going to call his buddies and habve me arrested for assault - this after I told him what I thought of the gratuitous law breaking. When his friends arrived the woman officer (officer #7797) told me to go away or she would make something up to arrest me. I could not file charges aginst the cop that assaulted me because of these pigs. I wrote a letter to the police services board but that was a waste of time because I never even heard back from them. Yes, it is a criminal culture.

Thats what they say but it isn't really possible. I wasn't talking about floor joists - I was talking about vertical load bearing beams. I'm not argueing physics with you. You do not know any more about physics than you do about banking. You are just a silly nut that speaks from his rectum all the time. Really - go away and learn something about what you talk about. You are the biggest fool I have ever seen on here. The Easter Bunny isn't real either.

Of course there is but its not officially sanctioned. Lawyers can commit crimes whenever they want and the system is designed to prevent anyone from ever reporting it. You cannot report a crime committed by a lawyer unless you get another lawyer on board with you. If the accused lawyer is found innocent he has recourse to sue the lawyer that helped bring the charges forward. I've been extorted and threatened and abused publically by one of these weasels. I tried to report it. You can't unless another lawyer gets on board with you and they will not evn hear you because they are afraid of their coleagies because they have so much power.

Lawyers are very corrupt as well, working with criminals in laundering money and that has been in mainstream news. Naturally the law society handled it so that lawyers couldn't be arrested. The law society does not report criminal activity of lawyers to the police as a matter of policy. Its a culture of corruption in the whole justice system.

How might the quotes below be misinterpreted by conspiracy theorists ? Do you think maybe they are talking about Monopoly money ? You should do a paper for some economics society explaining how these economists and bankers are all wrong. This along with your paper explaining how the scientists and engineers that think 911 was an inside job should make yyou world famous and a leading thinker of today. "The banks do create money. They have been doing it for a long time, but they didn't quite realise it, and they did not admit it. Very few did. You will find it in all sorts of documents, financial textbooks, etc. But in the intervening years, and we must all be perfectly frank about these things, there has been a development of thought, until today I doubt very much whether you would get many prominent bankers to attempt to deny that banks create credit." — H. W. White, Chairman of the Associated Banks of New Zealand, to the New Zealand Monetary Commission, 1955. "The bank hath benefit of interest on all moneys which it creates out of nothing." - William Patterson, founder of Bank of England, 1694.

I've listed books written by economists, quotes showing that bankers create money and videos that explain how it is done. You have responded witha couple of links that show bankers cannot lend what they do not have in deposit, but what you seem to miss is that bankers actually create deposits and I put at least one quote of bankers saying that they create deposits. You always admit that you haven't read any books or taken any classes about banking. You haven't worked in high level banking. The only logical conclusion from this is that you are getting your information from your rectum or you were born with some kind of built in genetic undertstanding of banking. If there is another explanation to explain how you know so much more about banking than these presidents and bankers that are saying they create deposits, I would like to hear it. It doesn't matter why they think bankers have such power, they assume that anyone reading their stuff already knows. Can you turn on your radio and know it will work without knowing anything about electromagnetic fields ? The fact that these bankers and presidents don't explain the operation of banks is not surprising. Many people understand how the banks operate, maybe you should just go away and think about it and come back and try to write more intelligent posts on this matter. Explain how this quote should be read and how it may be misinterpreted by conspiracy theorists: "Banking was conceived in iniquity and born in sin. Bankers own the earth; take it away from them but leave them with the power to create credit; and, with a flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again. Take this power away from them and all great fortunes like mine will disappear, and they ought to disappear, for then this world would be a happier and better world to live in. But if you want to be slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let the bankers control money and control credit." - Sir Josiah Stamp, Director, Bank of England, c. 1940 (the second richest man in Britain at the time - was killed). You need to correct the Federal Reserve on some of their thinking: "The actual process of money creation takes place in commercial banks. As noted earlier, demand liabilities of commercial banks are money.."Confidence in these forms of money also seems to be tied in some way to the fact that assets exist on the books of the government and the banks equal to the amount of money outstanding, even though most of the assets themselves are no more than pieces of paper--.", P.3."Commercial banks create checkbook money whenever they grant a loan, simply by adding new deposit dollars in accounts on their books in exchange for a borrower's IOU.", p. 19. "The 12 regional reserve banks aren't government institutions, but corporations nominally 'owned' by member commercial banks.", p. 27 - Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago I think there is at least one economist and one treasury secretary in the quotes below that also requires some correction from you: "The study of money, above all other fields in economics, is one in which complexity is used to disguise truth or to evade truth, not to reveal it (p15). The process by which banks create money is so simple that the mind is repelled." - John Kenneth Galbraith, Money: Whence it came, where it went - 1975, p29. "The modern banking system manufactures money out of nothing. The process is, perhaps, the most, astounding piece of sleight of hand that was ever invented. Banks can in fact inflate, mint, and un-mint the modern ledger-entry currency." - Major L. L. B. Angus "Banks lend by creating credit. They create the means of payment, out of nothing." - Ralph M. Hawtery (Former Secretary of the British Treasury)

The problem with the damagae and heat theory is that the buildings were built witha 20 times overbuild factor on the outside and a 6 times overbuild factor on the core. Take away a quarter of the supports and cut the remaining strength in half because of the heat and you still have more than enough strength for the building to remain standing after the accident. Add this to the fact that the natural frequency of vibration did not change after the accident and the official version of how the buildings collapsed loses all credibility. *The overbuild factors were taken from a paper accepted by the American Society Of Civil Engineers. Hoffman also talks about the overbuild factors on his site.

Even the Joint Cheifs of Staff head doesn't believe there is any evidence that supports Iran giving weapons to Iraq as a part of government policy. No one doubts it happens, but if its not gov policy its not happening on a large scale.

The reason that bankers have so much power is that they are the only people in society that can create money from nothing and lend it a full face value to governments. You have to have a lot of power to be able to do this. Many people know how and why banks have so much power. Its in history, many books, many economists will tell you but you just refuse to understand, prefering to consult with your rectum instead. Oligarichal families run the banking system and they have power through intelligence. Rothschild really understood the value of intelligence. After the Battle Of Waterloo, he found out that the English won but pretended they lost in the stock exchange that day by selling off his English government bonds at discount rates. Others began to sell off seeing that Rothschild was selling his, his agents bought up the bonds, by the end of the day he owned all the bonds and had bought them at discount rates. He is quoted as saying its "the best business I've ever done". Rothschild found out sooner than anyone else because he had an intelligence networks and high speed cutters to cut across the water and keep him ahead of everyone else in knowledge.

I'm an engineering grad who did very well in electromagnetic theory. I am not convinced that is pulse EMP engines would not create an electromagnetic pulse because I am not a high energy physicist. You do not have enough scientific knowledge to be humbled by the topic and assume that you know everything. Many posters on this thread are afflicted by this danger of having a little bit of knowledge.

I actually went and talked to a few doctors to make sure I wasn't crazy a few years ago after 911. I believe that we now live in a culture of corruption and that most of the beaurocrats that one may deal with can probably be bought off or paid off in one form or another. They certainly don't mind their colleagues commiting serious federal crimes. I've got a clean bill of health mentally, I've even done computer based quizes that diagnose your sanity with questions. I spent 4 hours ona terminal answering questions. The results came back as very sane on all 30 ish parameters. Perhaps you should do the same thing - one cannot judge ones own level of mental fitness. Personally I think you are dullusional because you do not have evidence to support the beliefs you defend so rigorously.

These are presidents not school teachers. The people who the quote was written or spoken to were already likely aware of how the banks work - by creating money from nothing and lending it at full face value. Your lack of understanding is not an arguemnt against what they are saying.

So you think that this quote can be misinterpreted ? What do you think they meant ? Woodrow Wilson President of U.S.: 1913~1921, Historian and Political Scientist "Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." How about this one below ? How do you think it could be mis interpreted ? Andrew Jackson, in an address to Congress, 1829 "You (International Bankers) are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God, I will rout you out. If the American people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system, there would be a revolution before morning." Explain how this is a misquote: Theodore Roosevelt "These International Bankers and Rockefeller Standard Oil interests control the majority of newspapers and the columns of these papers to club into submission or drive out of public office officials who refuse to do the bidding of the powerful corrupt cliques which compose the invisible government." What about this one ? "The real rulers of Washington are Invisible and exercise power from behind the scenes." - Justice Felix Frankfurter - US Supreme Court Justice These all seem straightforward to me. I'm interested to hear how I am mis interpreting them.

I would use presidential quotes, banker quotes and references to books written by economists. You would use the same arguemnt as the rest of your ilk - that is demonstrate your complete lack of knowledge on the subject, demonstrate your complete unwillingness to learn and assume that you already know everything.

No, of course not. The wars are illegal so I think the banks should pay because they are the ones that profit from the wars and implictly allow them. Banks are the controllers.

How do you know that ?

He was describing how the explosive would work and what the shockwave would do and how it matches the evidence. I think you misunderstood. I know what a pulse jet is. What do you think of wtc7 collapse ? As a person witha degree of techincal sophistication I would like to hear how you think a building could collapse by accident yet look like a controlled demolition in every way. BTW: wrt mass exterminations, people in the conservative party have admitted it to me. I have known about these plans before Alex Jones even knew because someone came out in the early 90's about Rhodes Scholarships and the New World Order plans. It wasn't supposed to happen until 2040 but Bush & Harper & Martin wanted to speed it up.

"I mock thee not, though I by thee am mockéd. Thou call'st me madman, but I call thee blockhead" — William Blake