Drea

The poster here is speaking of an Israeli killed by a Palestinian. In reality: 13 (THIRTEEN!!!) Israeli's have died in this latest go-round. 900 (NINE HUNDRED!!!) Palestians have died in this lastest go-round. No wonder the Palestinians keep lobbing their antiquated rockets that never hit anything. They are rightfully pissed. Anyone in their right mind should realize this.

Hear Hear Oleg! You've hit the nail squarely on the head. This isn't about religion, it's about poverty. A Palestinian grows up with no real education, no job prospects so what is he supposed to do? He wants a job and a future but Israel makes sure he never has success. Israel does not understand this. They need a big cuff on the head and a stern lecture and all their long range weapons taken away. If they worked to improve the lives of the Palestinians (instead of destroying them), they would end this trainwreck. This morning on the news: 900 Palestinians dead (700 civilians) and 13 Israelis dead (don't know how many were civilians, maybe one or two?) poor Israel! Pffft.

I've caved a bit before (so minimally that one cannot call it "spelunking" LOL) but I don't think I'd be able to underwater -- what if yah got caught on somethin' down there! Eep! The first time I ever went in a cave I went with two friends. We had a flashlight, 2 candles and three bananas. So prepared were we We skinnied through lots of little openings and came upon an open spot. The boys went off in two different directions then (not far) and I stopped and shone my candle upwards. I saw the most incredibly beautiful sight -- the mineral flow was all different colours as as smooth as could be. No, we didn't bring a camera. I've since been in one small cave on Vancouver Island. Boots, helmets, lunch, cell phones, backup light, ropes and all. It was incredibly fun and I'd do it again in a heartbeat if I had the time. Edited to add: Sorry I don't have any advice on the Yucatan for yah.

Better to kill them all in your opinion bc2004 (silly me, of course killing them is the best solution in your wacked-out-sanitized-war-movie of a world. ) We give every native kid every opportunity to be successful. It's not our problem if some of them choose not to take advantage of it. Perhaps the Israeli's could just get the whole Palestinian popluace hooked on opium (whiskey and pox blankets won't work for these guys!)

Well Israel must be just as incompetent as Hamas in hitting its intended targets. If they are indeed NOT targetting children they sure do hit alot of them. And Hamas, if indeed they ARE targetting civilians, they sure have trouble hitting them. How many Palestinian civilians have died in the past 30 days? How many Israeli citizens? Obviously both sides are competely incompetent and should just lay down their weapons. Best case scenario IMO. IMO. Israel should do for all Palestinians what we have done for Natives. Tax free status, free housing, free education... the biggest problem is that the Palestinian has nothing to live for -- if you've kill my whole family, I will gladly die to avenge them. And they have nothing to begin with, so why NOT kill the oppressors? They have no jobs, no education, no future but war, so why NOT kill everyone who they percieve to be keeping them oppressed and killing their people. Israel -- listen up! Give the people hope for the future and you will end the fighting. Continue oppressing people and they will continue to fight you. Round and round it goes, where it stops, nobody knows.

Deliberately targetting a FIELD! Oh, that poor, poor crop... I am weeping inside. No kidding. The shell hit a field. Isreal makes damn sure every shell kills or maims at least one human being -- preferably hundreds. I wonder if the Israelis yell "whoo hoo! 10 Points!" every time they hit a civilian -- or "whoo hoo! 25 points!" every time a child is dismembered.

They don't need anyone to vilify them... they do that perfectly well all by themselves. If a person (or country) is villainous, do we blame them or do we blame their victims? Lets say your nasty little brother keeps poking you with a sharp stick, not enough to kill you, just an annoyance and it hurts a bit -- is this cause for you to shoot the nasty little brother?

So we can expect your vote to go to the Liberals then! That's great! Next to Trudeau, Iggy is probably the best thing that ever happened to the Liberal Party. He's not seen as a "lefty" and will more than likely take back a good many votes from Liberals who couldn't stand Dion, but wouldn't vote NDP, ever. As well as conservatives who don't lean to the extreme right. That leaves Harper with only the "extremists" remaining as supporters. Such good news for the majority of us who are centrists and don't want to be governed strictly by the far right or the far left. Again... grrrrreat!

No. Just sayin' ... if they continue to kill innocent civilians then they deserve what they get. And Isreal will go on a rampage and bomb every country in the surrounding area as they won't know where the little nuke came from so they will blame every muslim on earth. Surely they have trained professional snipers that can "take out" members of Hamas rather than bombing the shit out of schools and hospitals under the guise of "Hamas was hidin' in there!". I hear Canada has some extreme sniper dudes (apparently the best in the world). Why don't we send them and take the buggers out? Explain THAT! One good sniper could have easily taken out Saddam, could have easily taken out Bin Laden, could easily take out Lil Kim. So what the hell is the problem? Why bomb the crap out of the populace when one good shot would do it?

Jews are whiny. Always have been, always will be. Whine whine whine.... poor land-grabbin' jews are sooooo persecuted. FFS how blind and ignorant can people be? DID YOU VIEW THE PHOTOS? Of course you didn't because that would upset your idealism that Isreal is a poor little prosecuted cuntry that can never do wrong. Killing children is wrong. Killing soldiers is not.

well isn't THAT rich? It's not "hateful"... remember JBG, for war to be "humane" it must be "total". Your words, not mine. Isreal has no claim on that land. Just like the Chinese have no claim on North America simply because their anscestors crossed the Bering strait. I am not anit-jew, just anti-Isreal. They do not belong there and should just leave. I am sure the US would gladly let Isreal relocate there. But Isrealis would much rather kill children for the next 1,000 years than make concessions to the people they invaded so few decades ago. Again, tough poo ... you don't want to face reality. The reality is that "your people" are killing children. Look at the goddamn pictures, see for yourself ... of course looking at Palestinian babies buried in rubble means about as much to you as a dead fly in your kitchen. Pfft.

Yes, you really ought to look up all of my posts. Surely you are a wise newbie and don't want to base your opinion on ONE thread? Never mind, keep your head up your hiney and whistling dixie while children die. It's perfectly normal for someone of your ilk to want children to die. They are not yours, so why should you care? As long as you can fill yer Hummer, yer happier'n a pig in poo! Isreal so sucks!

Oh but you've been in agreement with me on ALL threads but this one. You are too funny -- but I love you anyway *hug* Have a great day guyser -- we can't ALWAYS agree -- t'would be boring. I hope someone puts Isreal in it's place -- they are assholes plain and simple. And you do know that China could come and take ALL of North America? Why? Because they were here first! They crossed the Bering Land Bridge thousands of years ago! Shall the Chinese come and put everyone in "Gaza type" camps? Would we fight back? Of course we would -- we would do no different than the Palestinians of today. Isreal so sucks!

Wah wah wah. Go cry Emo Kid A freedom fighter (you call them "terrorists") will get one, sneak into Isreal and detonate it. *shrug*

But Scriblett, in order to be "humane" war must be "total". That's what a jew says not me. I just happen to side with the thousands of dead children... Tough titty to the zionist apologists ... Isreal will eventually get what it deserves. Someone is going to get a nuke in and detonate it. Did you veiw the photographs? Do you think those are a bunch of Palestinian actors? If so, man they are soooo good! So realistic they really ought to think about giving Hollywood a shot, dontcha think? Amazing how a people so poor can come up with so much fake blood and fake torn off limbs and fake babies buried in rubble. Utterly amazing. Wonder how much they get paid for their incredible acting abilities. Why I bet they make more than Anglina Jolie AND Brad Pitt combined!

Hey everyone lookit all the pretty pictures.. pictures A good many of you will be overjoyed to see these... the rest of us are sickened beyond belief. The second one down on the left side... those Isralis are just havin' loads of fun watching the children get blown to bits. :insert puking icon here:

Don't you realize that it's only your opinion that homosexuality is "sinful" and wrong. Not all people subscribe to biblical notions. Nor should they be forced to. Do you believe that a person "aquires" sexuality in the same way they "aquire" language and speech? If a person (stranded alone on a deserted island) who had never heard a spoken word nor ever spoken a word himself, would he discover masturbation or language?

No child/youth should have to grow up hiding who they are because a few people cannot accept them. They will be confused and racked with guilt because their innate sexuality is considered "deviant" by others. They feel guilty because people like you have made them feel guilty. They will hide who they are and not form close friendships because they are afraid of the reactionary people like you. They live their lives afraid until they are old enough to tell you to go to hell.

You're right. I'm sorry, I'm just so damn sick of the trainwreck, the propanganda, the tit for tat... I watched this and thought of my young friend in Iran. She'd do this. 53 seconds into the video...

Not all women would do this either. My financial circumstance were good. Some women need the support just for survival. Some are vindictive bitches. What are you talking about. The government was subsidizing my daycare by $100 per month. So that is all I needed to be free of government interference so that is what I had the support set at. I did not NEED any more. HE NEEDED the $215 more than I did. He had 2 kids, a stay at home wife, a business of his own, no dental care, a mortgage, a beater truck. Geez You just want to discover SOMETHING that lumps me in with how you "think" that women think and behave. You seem to want to PROVE that as a woman, I MUST have some vindictive streak. You must've had a real tough go-round at some point, my boy. Women are not the enemy.

Well I suppose some women would do this. I could see a woman saying (five years in) "By the way you bastard! It's NOT your kid!" I don't know Renegade, what the solution is in this circumstance. I suppose it depends on the relationship between the man and the child and whether or not he wants to continue to have a relationship. If he doesn't then I suppose he should be free to move on. On the flip side, the mother would not be able to deny access if he wanted to continue the relationship with the child. Child support should be contingent to access, in my opinion. He pays support, he gets to see the kids. Except for in abuse/dangerous circumstances. No, it does not release the biological father. Unless the household income of the boyfriend and mother exceed that of the father. Like I said before, the household income and expenses of the mother should (MUST!) be taken into consideration, as well as the income and expenses of the father. My ex makes alot less than we do. Why punish him? He has a family, a mortgage. Only if support is actually required, should it be paid...whether or not the mother is single or with a partner.

Let me tell you my experience (not all women's experience... just mine) *so you can realize that I speak simple logic and am not "against men"* I moved to the coast from a northern town in 1992 with a guy I had been seeing for two years. We moved in October. The following January I went back home for a visit and had a reminicient weekend with an ex I had dated for four years previously. Well, in Februray I discoverd I was pregnant. I did not know at that point which one the father was. I told my current guy and he was unfazed. I also told my ex that I was pregnant and that it could be his, but I was staying where I was. He didn't believe the child could possibly be his, so he was ok with it. I ended up leaving with my son when he was nine months old. I made pretty good money so I did not ask for support from either of them. I was laid off my good paying job and could no longer afford daycare so I required government funding. In order to recieve the funding, the government forced me to enrol with Family Maintenance and get child support from the father. Meh. My ex (from years ago) paid for DNA and we discovered that it was his child. The court ordered him to pay $315 per month, but I had it lowered to $100 per month (all I needed for daycare). This was when my son was five years old. So I had raised him from 9 months to 5 years without any additional support. I was fortunate that I had the means to do so, many women do not. I dis-enrolled with Family Maintenance as soon as I met my current hubby. My ex no longer pays child support. So guys, please. I am on your side! But moreso, I am on the child's side. A child develops a relationship with man who he loves as his father. Before 3 or so, the child will not remember, but after that it's abandonment, whether or not the child is biologically yours or not, whether you knew about it or not, the fact remains that a child loves you and needs you.

I suppose that would depend on how soon the man found out. At birth, or even at 2-3 years then yes, he should have the option to refuse parental obligations. If it's much later than that, if he has developed a father-child relationship with the child, then yes he has parental obligations to the child. Don't forget that his role as the only-known-father in the child's life is a vital one. This could be a possibility. If the stepfather wants to sever his relationship with the children. If not, then he is accepting his role as father and the financial responsibilities that goes with it. Emotionally speaking, the biological father should definitely be informed that he has a child. What happens from there... telling the children their dad is not their dad, introducing them to a strange man they've never known... that would be pretty tough for a child to deal with. I'm glad I'll never have to go through that with my child.

Hamas , pamas... I just don't want to see anymore children (1 dead Isreali soldier = 250 dead Palestinian children) die. If it takes a nuking Isreal to stop it, so be it. As someone else said -- war to be humane, must be total. The only way to stop the killing of the people of the Gaza prison camp is a nuke. Wouldn't it have been great if we could've saved all those Jews in WW2 by nuking Hitler's Nazi's? SSDD.

I hope Iran nukes them.