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You beat me to the punch most Canucks I talk to don't have a clue about Kyoto. Sure they are worried about pollution and think Kyoto is the b all to end all, they havn't read up on it. What very few canucks are aware of is the purchase of credits and that Kyoto is really about distributing wealth. And oh gee, can't China and India for example continue polluting at a higher rate. Oh yea, cagies Harping is getting boring

Thanks for the posts armyguy, and maybe you should offer jacko some scones with that tea.

This and these leaked proposals could have an impact, could lose them a lot of votes. Think I'll start printing this stuff out for when they knock on my door LOL Think this gives a new meaning to whacko jacko

Guess it doesn't take much to flabbergast you LOL but then, we know this stuff is okay if its liberals doing it don't we.

Further to this they have finally jumped the shark, next it will be white hoods and burning crosses, some have crossed the line from critique of Israel to anti semitism. Not a forum I would want to post in and be associated with, I'm surprised the owner has allowed it to go that far.

Hezbollah like other terrorist garbage hides among civilians The Israelis are targeting the infrastructure to prevent guns and ammunition from entering the country they are not attacking civilians while we know Hezbollah is as they kill civilians by firing rockets into Israel populations. Hamas and Hezbolla have created this situation and are to blame for civilian casualties. Heck Israel actually dropped leaflets telling people to get out, like Hebellah would do that now. Israel WITHDREW from Gaza - the result - 1100 rocket attacks and an attack over the border through a 670 metre tunnel they dug out some "European guaranteed" border that is. Israel WITHDREW from Lebanon but H. did hot disarm as obligated to do under international law (SC R) and continued to attack Israel. The Arabs were not ethnically cleansed but we know what would happen to Israel if they lose this one.

Agreed but I kinda doubt the Pals. would agree to it either they do not want peace all they really want is the destruction of Israel. Israel's last resort After withdrawal, Hamas and Hezbollah have waged endless, ruthless war Eleven months ago, Israel withdrew from every last inch of the Gaza Strip. They dismantled all military bases, turned over functioning greenhouses that could employ 4,000 people, expelled all 7,500 Israeli settlers at a huge financial and political cost and declared the lines that divide Israel from Gaza to be an international frontier, making Gaza the first independent Palestinian territory ever. Everyone's expectation was that the Palestinians, so treated, would show the world what they could achieve with freedom. Alas, they have shown all too well. Not one day of peace has followed. The pattern was set on the very day of Israel's pullout, when Palestinian forces fired rockets into Israeli towns on the other side of the border. The final straw was the tunneling under the border with Israel, the attack on an Israeli tank and the point-blank murder of two Israeli soldiers and kidnapping of a third. A few days later, inspired by the rhetorical threats of Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Hezbollah of Lebanon joined Hamas by attacking Israel from the north. They killed eight Israeli soldiers, kidnapped two others and began firing rockets into Israel. The Palestinians have given the lie to virtually all the scenarios so hopefully envisaged by their friends. They did not construct schools, roads and hospitals; they made no effort to turn Gaza into a thriving state. They elected a radical Islamic Hamas government. They permitted the smuggling of huge quantities of weapons and terrorists while creating new bases for terror. Palestinian society has descended ever more into advanced anarchy. more here http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/435068p-366373c.html

Key words are "stand-off" and "aggressive" along with "does not always trigger violence" implying violence occurs MOST of the time. "Intended for results".....like something terrorists would do,without consideration of anything or anyone. Jerry J. is right,keep the peace and take your civil suits to court(you do have lawyers do you not?) Agree with this for sure.

Sheez guess we throw out democracy and appoint people based on race and sex. NOT

Ha Ha.....good one keep it up

How do you negotiate with a group which insists on firing rockets into your towns and villages? Pay them ofF? Promise to convert? At the moment, they are involved in a continuing escalation which might end in re-occupying Lebanon and Gaza. As I originally said, the soldiers should be returned. A return to negotiation should resume after things have cooled off. At the moment, things could go to full out war. I guess there comes a point when you can't negotiatiate any more. Eight Israeli soldiers died in two ambushes and two now kidnapped. Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah of Hezbollah is 100% responsible for all the death, destruction and pain he's caused to the poor Lebanese civilians. He should have thought ithat one out before he started this war. It seem terrorists are too stupid to think about peace. Lebanon is also responsible for harbouring and protecting a designated terrorist organization.

I've been reading this with interest, for the most part I agree with Riverwind and others. rant on. Some of us choose not to walk through life with a chip on our shoulders and make the best of life, I choose to work for a living and raise my children to be proud of their heritages. I completely disagree with the way Governments have handled this whole issue. It stinks. Self Government, don't think so, not when most native groups don't handle what they have given to them now well. I see how these people CHOOSE to live, and don't give me that crap about being held down. They have new houses, new cars, their education is paid for, healthcare is paid for ( including dental, optical), no taxes or GST on reserves. If they have to go see a specialist or a dentist in the city, their transportation, hotel and meals are all paid for. Schools lunches are paid for and there is much much more. All that's lacking is motivation and discipline. The Government a few years back even lowered the bar on entrance standard for aboriginals. Isn't that saying that you simply don't have the intelligence that the rest of Canada has - and you acept that? The avenues are there but they choose total and complete dependancy. I feel sorry for none, they are choosing to take the money and all the perks, but not to pick themselves up for their betterment and continue to want this humiliation . Anyone who supports continued dependancy on the backs of the rest of Canadians is a fool. History,- gee, maybe the natives are going to compensate the thousands of slaughtered white women and children with none other than a tomahawk? And while were at it, if the want to live the way their ancestors did I guess that means no snowmobiles, no guns, no helcopters, no boats etc. etc. Rant off !!!

A representative from the Toronto Police Force was on the Ted Woloshyn show on CFRB this morning and said that there have been some Toronto police injured by rifles but most of the gun crime is with hand guns and gangsters don't register their weapons anyway. So removing the long gun portion would not be much of a factor. I think that a lot of people in general think that all gun registration may be scrapped. I heard Stephen Harper speak once on the issuein a campaign and he was specific saying "long gun registry." But what people in general hear is talk about scrapping the gun registry and I think that leaves them with the notion that guns may not be registered at all, which is incorrect. Hence the support for some form of registry but people realize that this one has been fraught with problems. If people are wondering where Stephen Harper may be headed with the government on more than this topic they should find text of what he actually SAID and then draw their judgement from that.

Yup, but its typical liberal strategy to demonize your opponent and call them racist, it wins points with more than a few voters.

Harpers in majority land, too bad its not an opportune time to call an election the public wouldn't go for it this soon. I'd like to see an election late fall or early spring at the latest. The liebrals will start circling the wagons as soon as they have a leader. As it is now, they are just being obstrunctionist.

Rabble is always looking for money too. I notice its the anti abortionists and religious crowd which seems to keep the FD alive, but I think its only a very few intolerant bigots on FD and no foul langage. I seem to remember a thread way back when, asking the moderators to do something. They do give the others a bad name. Talking about other websites (is it allowed even ) http://www.canadawebpages.com/ yikes, talk about tin foil hatters and moonbats. At least one of em is from that 50plus site which was closed down. (Kuzadd) near 5000 posts on anti U.S. and anti Israel rants, on 50plus, huge copy and paste articles - good reason not to go there.

Wowzer, Mikey tell it like it is i'll go for this one anytime. In fact, the answer to both problems is entirely obvious and is found in one measure: Cut income tax by 30% immediately. Scrap the baby bonus just as we have scrapped socialized daycare and allow parents, along with non-parents and anybody and everybody else, to choose to do what they want with their money. Because it is, yes, their money. The daycare fetish is merely one example of our sorry dependency on the state. We hand over our money to people who happen to have jobs in the civil service or have managed to find a seat in Parliament, often through vulgar ambition rather than ability, and ask them to use that money to raise our children. read the rest of it here http://www.torontosun.com/News/Columnists/...06/1566801.html

guess the whining will continue cos anyone with such an intense dislike of one person (harper) would never see anything good in whatever harper does. Imagine when Harper gets a majority, 4 more years of whining.

LoL lets let em all out of prison and group hugs all the way round to send them on their merry criminal way

ROTFLMAO guess that means the liberals won't be having a liberal as a leader.......

It's not what I think is spew, it's what the proprieters of the site think. Look: forums like babble and this one are not free-for-alls, they are privately operated web sites, which gives whoever operates them the right to dictate what they consider acceptable behaviour. For instance, here, calling somebody a "motherf**king c**ksucker" would probably get you banned, whereas on babble, such an epitheth would lead to a lengthy discussion over whether the term "motherf**king c**ksucker" is homophobic and misogynist. I'm not gonna quibble over the different standards, but I will abide by them. As for "anyone new" being "viciously attacked", well, if you went into someone's house and started questioning their decorating choices, cooking abilities and spouse's physical apperance, you'd probably get the boot. So why would anyone think they could go to an unabashedly left wing, pro-feminist, pro-gay rights, pro-union, NDP-friendly forum and slag off any of the above with impunity? Also: methinks you overstate things. I've been there a while and rarely is a poster banned who didn't violate the clearly defined parameters of board behaviour. Finally, if you think intolerance for contrary viewpoints, incivility and viciousness are hallmarks of the left, well, you've never been to Free Dominion. I do read on there only, but its no where near as bad as what I saw on rabble at time, they do allow more lattitude and rarely swear. The words you mentioned are used on a regular basis on rabble to anyone they consider centre or centre right.

In a nutshell no but I can see it coming, and whos gonna pay for all of this. Oh right, you and me. Whats in your wallet!!

Its painfully obvious, doubt that nothing Harper can or will do would meet with approval, tunnel vision I guess. Reminds me of the Bush haters on another forum, hatred blinds people to other points of view. Guess hatred is too strong a word, intense dislike would be better.

This really is an overstatement of what has happened. Mr. Harper has enough to do in starting up a new government without having to initiate processes with the previous adminstation's ethics office - an office that is really a lame duck now. His measures are stronger than what was in place before, and they will improve the political process in Canada far and above the US process. Yup !!!! and then some.

It's funny to read people whining about getting banned from babble, as if they have a god-given right to spew whatever they want wherever they want. Like this board, babble has a clear policy on what behaviours are acceptable and unacceptable. Unlike this board, babble is quite explicit in its ideological leanings (there are similar boards from the conservative side of the spectrum with even more rigorous enforcement of their standards of idealogical conformity). So if you are a rabid right winger looking to wage war on progressive ideas, you won't last long there. But there' remains a large contingent of moderate conservatives that are regular posters and part of the babble "community". Guess it depends on what you think is spew, and a what a rabid right winger is,they sure had a double standard there, hypocrites most of them. They allowed ad homenims, foul language and so on, I saw very moderately centred people get banned and sworn at for B all. Anyone new not confirming to their rabid little world was viciously attacked. Is that what the NDP represents, hope not, they sure werent my idea of being progressive whatever thats supposed to mean these days.