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You know the empire that occupied the area in 1914. You might want to brush up on history and geography before you criticize people. If you don't know what you are talking about say so we already know we just want you to admit. You used statistics from 1914 when the entire region was under Ottoman rule so I am sorry but you just lost the minuscule value that you brought to this argument.

You must be from Quebec.

Yeah and when the Arabs attacked Israel in 1948 Israel got even more land.

It's all Greek to Quebec Licia Corbella, Calgary Herald Published: Friday, May 07, 2010 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Greece, citizens can, on average, retire with a full government pension at the age of 58. In Germany, the citizens expected to help bail out the bankrupt Greeks must work until the age of 67 before they can retire. Naturally, German citizens are wondering how this can be considered fair. Why should they have to work nine years longer so Greek citizens can live a life of leisure? What's more, in Germany, most working people pay taxes. In Greece, only 20 per cent pay taxes. Again, unfair. And yet equalization between "have" European Union states and "have not" European Union states continues, even though it's not making things equal -- it's rewarding laziness, leisure and possibly even criminal tax evasion. Why pay taxes if some hard-working Germans will do it for you? Thus the riots in Greece. They believe they are entitled to those entitlements. Dysfunctional? You bet. We Canadians would never stand for such a thing. Right? Think again. Equalization in Canada was established to ensure that "have-not" regions could enjoy the same programs as "have" regions and most Canadians wouldn't quibble with that. But that has not happened. In fact, the reverse has occurred. The have provinces have fewer services than the have-nots. In Quebec -- which opted out of the Canada Pension Plan and administers its own pension plan -- citizens can retire with a full pension at age 62. In the rest of Canada, the age contributors can receive full benefits is 65. In light of the fact that Quebec received $8.6 billion in equalization payments in 2010-11 out of a total equalization pot of $14.4 billion, it's safe to say that citizens in Canada's "have" provinces -- British Columbia, Alberta and Ontario -- are paying for Quebecers' early retirement, as theirs is the only province which has such a generous, early retirement benefit. In other words, equalization is not very equal. What's more, Quebecers can take advantage of $7-a-day day care, whereas, in most other provinces, $7 wouldn't even buy you an hour of day care or babysitting. Quebec has a very generous pharmaceutical program unlike any other in the country and Quebec university students pay considerably less for tuition within Quebec than students from anywhere else in the country. For instance, to attend McGill University in 2010, Quebec students pay $3,475 for tuition and fees. An out-of-province student attending McGill pays $7,008, or $3,533 more than a Quebec student -- more than double! Five of the six cheapest universities in Canada are in Quebec -- but they're only the cheapest for Quebecers. Those same universities are among the most expensive in Canada for non-Quebecers. Sherbrooke has the lowest university tuition and fees in the entire country -- but again, only for Quebecers, who pay just $2,381. To attend the same university, a non-Quebecer, from Alberta, for instance, must pay $5,914 or $3,533 more than his Quebec colleague. In other words, when that Alberta student works through the summer in Alberta to save up for tuition and living expenses, the taxes he or she will pay will actually help subsidize the Quebec student's tuition. Lately, Quebecers, like Conservative MP Maxime Bernier, have criticized Quebec's overreliance on equalization, saying Quebecers are "spoiled children." But that's got Quebec's Liberal provincial government fighting back. In its 2010-11 budget document, the Jean Charest government is actually arguing that it should receive even more equalization than it's getting because Alberta's oil industry is keeping the Canadian dollar high, which in turn harms Quebec's manufacturing sector. This is not a joke. "A rise in the world price of a barrel of oil favours provinces that have that resource," states the budget document in Section E. "However, the rise in the Canadian dollar that accompanies the rising price of oil hampers the exports of the other provinces. An adequate equalization program can mitigate this phenomenon by increasing the revenues of provinces that are negatively affected by the rise in the dollar, without reducing the revenues of provinces that benefit from the higher price of oil." In other words, Quebec, which received $8.6 billion of the $14.4 billion doled out in equalization this year, is arguing that it's not enough! It wants more and it blames Alberta's oil industry for its troubles. It's a curious argument since it can be argued that Alberta's oil industry is literally fuelling Canada's economy and largely provided the money that was sent as equalization to Quebec in the first place. In 2007, the last year Statistics Canada figures are available for all provinces, B.C., Alberta and Ontario were the only provinces that paid more into Confederation than they received. Alberta paid a total of $37.064 billion in taxes and transfers to the federal government and the feds returned $17.567 billion in services and programs, meaning that Alberta contributed $19.5 billion net to the rest of Canada. But Charest, who complained in Copenhagen that Alberta's oilsands industry "embarrassed" him, is actually making the argument that despite Alberta's largesse, it's to blame for the trouble Quebec is in. In short, it's all Greek to Quebec -- and that's frightening. http://www2.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/sportsmonday/story.html?id=4099a7c3-229b-464f-b216-74a9a8c920de&p=1 If we rework the equalization payments so that Quebec does not get all of the social programs paid for by provinces that cannot provide the same services to their people, can we use the excess money to pay down the national debt? I don't believe its fair that Quebec consistently complains how badly it is treated by the other provinces yet it get the best deal in the country. Equalization payments were meant as a means of giving have not provinces the ability to meet their basic necessities rather then subsidize their social programs to such a level that the rest of the country can only dream of.

And for the previous few decades Jews were severely restricted from purchasing land immigrating to the are while the Ottoman Empire was flooding the area with arabs.Kind of defeats the whole argument about the bad jews. If they were prevented from immigrating while the Arabs were encouraged the whole issue of who owns the land and how long they lived there could be questioned. Jews accepted the deal that they rejected in 1937 because at that time they were coming out of the Concentration camps seeing that europe was destroyed, their property was stolen by the Nazi's and realized that they could not return to live with the people who had betrayed and murdered so many of their friends and had put them through hell.

By 1880, about 24,000 Jews were living in Palestine, out of a population of about 400,000. At about that time, the Ottoman government imposed severe restrictions on Jewish immigration and land purchase, and also began actively soliciting inviting Muslims from other parts of the Ottoman empire to settle in Palestine, including Circassians and Bosnians. The restrictions were evaded in various ways by Jews seeking to colonize Palestine, chiefly by bribery. http://www.mideastweb.org/Middle-East-Encyclopedia/co/palestine.htm

The Ottomans?

Its more of them not giving him any money. If the Supreme Court orders it that a whole different thing but I don't think even the Supreme court is that out of touch with reality.

Ill give you a minute to catch your breath. Now where do I see the cases?

One question, what does property ownership under the ottoman empire have to do with anything?

Take your tinfoil hat off for a second and think a bit... Where is the "author" getting the "evidence"?

Because they don't do much wrong? Or do you have another theory pumpkin?

This thread had no charm to begin with, Mrs jacee started this up after spewing this bull in another forum.

You do realize police in Ontario are policed by a Civilian agency?

Who owned that territory? Who owned that territory? Point being? Is that before or after the Arabs attacked Israel? Are you aware that 85% of all statistics are made up on the spot? Are you aware that Palestine was larger but due to the Arabs trying to occupy Israel Palestine lost most of their land? Once again arabs attacked Israel and were to incompetent to win so Palestine lost...Blame the Arabs for stupidity. Great having 20/20 vision isn't it? See, blame the Jews has been around for thousands of years and it comes down to feeble minds cannot find the problem therefore they blame Israel. And giving me statistics from the ottoman empire is irrelevant. And I would like to add to that, every country AND individual has a right to exist, if you don't believe in that, thats YOUR problem fortunately most people are not racist like you.

Are you aware you provided no sources?

You MUST hate looking in the mirror then

Just to clarify I am assuming you never served seeing as you are NDP.

I woudent know, but do enlighten me from your experiences.

And it sure makes sense destroying the little mom and pop businesses I really love their logic and I love the way you back up criminals. Police officers have a job to do, its not their duty to decide who to support, there is a law and their job is to uphold it. Attacking small business and police does not bring you closer to achieving anything other then alienating a potential base of support. The common denominator is the protestors, some of whom go from protest to protest in order to wreak havoc and in every case it is the police who receive the blame.

You seem to be bent on blaming Israel for the Arabs lack of common sense and lack of desire for peace. They have on multiple occasions attacked Israel while backed by weapons from the USSR and yet you seem to find no problem with that, but you have a problem with the US providing weapons to Israel to prevent its destruction. Seems to me you are to dense to learn from history, but luckily the US government is not. Many of the Arabs are bent on Israel's destruction, and that is not going to happen at least not without the rest of the middle east going up in smoke. Stop being such a fascist anti-semite and look at the real problem.

So your theory is that police in Montebello tried to incite a riot and failed therefore every time there is a riot it is the police causing it? Why don't you answer this, every time there is a G8/G20 meeting there is violence different intensity of violence but violence all the same. So what is the common denominator in all those protests? Ill give you a tip, its not the police.

Sorry I missed a word in the REST OF CANADA.

No it happens in Quebec, it does not mean it happens in Canada.Cops in Quebec City speak French, does every cop in Canada speak french?

Is it just me or do you guys bring out only one video every time there is an argument about this as your proof? Ive said it before in a different thread, Quebec Police actions do not reflect on OPP, RCMP,TPS,LAPD,NYPD,OPS or any other police force in the world... Using Montebello as the only source is like saying all married white guys will cheat because 1 married white guy in Australia cheated on his wife. Good luck convincing my girlfriend I cheated because Jimmy from Greece Cheated on his girlfriend.