Signals.Cpl

I think his issue was more because they had to essentially "invade" Pakistan. If OBL was not there it would be hard to explain why they were there. Saying "Pakistan has OBL and here he is" kinda lessens the blow rather then "We send 2 dozen SEALs and when we raided the home of someone completely innocent.

Then you aren't following the thread, Rick and eyeball believe that he is the worlds most victimized person.

Funny how you are wrong in EVERY thread.

Jasmine Richardson

So the store owners had it coming right?

My argument is that we should treat both equally in the eyes of the law, if the soldier went willingly and died at the hands of a terrorist(Because he belonged to a terrorist organization not the act in question) then we should take the same view of Khadr who was captured by the US soldiers. The argument presented is that Khadr should sue and get money while the soldier's family can't sue and get money. Your actions carry consequences and therefore people should be 100% responsible for their actions. If I do on a deployment at some time in the future I know the risks and volunteered, but so did the other guy. Saying that say the American soldier who was captured by the Taliban a few years ago is responsible for his actions and thus deserves it while Khadr did not deserve what happened is putting a double standard and a dangerous precedent because now people would assume that no mater what happens if the government does not get you out they pay you in cold hard cash. My actions have consequences and I own up to what I do and why I do it and accept my consequences, I believe everyone should live with their consequences.

Thats not soldiers killing civilians its murderers and rapists getting whats coming to them.

Yeah, because if the person is conservative I will agree 100%...Sorry I am not you, I have a mind of my own If the party I support has something I disagree with I voice my opinion. You on the other hand seem to have the belief that if the Politburo NDP says it, it must be true without even thinking what your own beliefs are... you are an asset to this country...It sounds wrong even as a joke

Tell that to the US soldier facing the death penalty or the number of others who are facing similar punishment for crimes in Iraq. If a soldier intentionally kills civilians then he is guilty of murder. No government in the west Sanctions murder on civilians.

It does go both ways, but if Khadr gets money from Canada because Canada did not do enough to help him the US soldier should get money from Khadr for killing him.Saying That the soldier made his decision to go to Afghanistan and thus the consequences are his responsibility, I agree with that 100% but Khadr went to Afghanistan as well and he knew he could be killed or wounded or Captured so he should be 100% responsible for his actions.

The Blame stands 100% at the feet of the UN Security Council because it is designed in such a way that nothing ever will be done on time. Nothing useful in Rwanda and the world already busy with Yugoslavia and reeling from the fiasco in Somalia to even care. Right now the Security Council needs 9/15 votes, and 5 of those votes have to be from the Permanent members. It could be 14/15 and only the US or Russia or China or England or France voting against it and it does not pass. You say its not the fault of the UN? When the system was designed in such a way to prevent all action I would disagree.

WE THE PEOPLES OF THE UNITED NATIONS DETERMINED FAIL FAIL FAILED Irrelevant when you are getting raped and/or killed. AND FOR THESE ENDS FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL ........ Ask the Africans wether they want to be poor and safe or little less poor but dead. http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/preamble.shtml People will not die from smallpox but will die from a bullet...great save Human rights? How many of those human rights treaties are honoured? good job Unfortunately they didn't give them access to food. Like? Irrelelvant if they have no peace. My children not getting sick would be the least of my worries if I knew someone was out there trying to kidnap my daughter as a sex slave and my son as child soldier. Bullsh*t. Being a monitor for an election is useless if your opinion is quickly disregarded. While letting millions of people die in wars that could be easily prevented. So intellectual property is more important then peace? I mean ask Somalian kids wether they want protection of Intellectual property or to grow up in Peace. You would be surprised how irrelevant this point becomes. And just to ask one question, how is it working in China? Did it get to the people? Or was is stolen by warlords as a means of controlling the population. This one is actually good, although I am pretty sure the sea standards were there before the UN. Where has this one ever worked? highly doubt that

Why was the UN created? Answer that question and review your evidence. It was not created to "solve a lot of the worlds problems". The UN was clreader to prevent a repetition of World War 1 and 2. Your view is that a paramedic who has the primary job to bring sick people from the street to the hospital failed miserably and over 20 years all of the people he drove to the hospital died....but hey he is a good cook and he can clean ignoring the fact he did not and cannot do the primary job. The UN is unable to do because the security council was designed 60+ years ago and thus now we have 5 nations with their own agendas tripping progress. What happened in Rwanda? The General on the ground asked for 5,000-10,000 soldiers to stop the Genocide and what he got was nothing but promises while the Security council was debating if the events in Rwanda were genocide or ethnic cleansing. Having the security council is great, having permanent members is great, having permanent members with veto power no so much especially because the US, China and Russia rarely see eye to eye on how to deal with things and the only time that the UN worked fine was when one side was boycotting(mostly the russians). If you want to defend an organization that cannot fulfill its most basic of duties go right ahead. In peacekeeping missions when the UN tells one or both sides not to do something it carries no weight because the UN is renowned for not backing up their peacekeepers, as was evident in the do not fire unless fired upon ROE's without regard to the fact that the peacekeepers were witnessing execution of children and rapes of women. The World can have a strong UN type organization that does what it is designed to do or you can have a weak UN that is used to make people feel good about them even though the organization is unable to do anything.

You don't want to risk getting killed/captured font be a terrorist... I am astounded with your one sided view. You are perfectly willing to say the soldier is responsible for his actions and earned his consequences yet the little shit Khadr isn't. Next time there is a flood, or a major storm we should probably call the Taliban seeing as they are more respected by the likes of you. Better hide your women though, the Taliban might not like all the freedom they have...But then again if you are such a staunch supporter of the Taliban maybe you will meet their standards in controlling the females in your life.

I don't know if any of the other "westerners" killed anyone.

Seems to me you are avoiding to explain yourself...

Yeah and a terrorist was captured. It goes both ways. It can't be that an American had no business being in Afghanistan and thus was rightly killed while a Canadian had all the reason to be there to kill Americans and when he was captured he was was a victim.

I think 800,000 Rwandans might disagree. Oh wait, thanks to the UNs incompetence they are dead... Lets ask the Croatians that were massacred darn it they are dead too... I guess we can ask the Bosnian's? Well the once that are left. How about the people in Darfur? you know, the once that survived, go ahead ask them what the UN did to protect them. What about Somalia? Those bastards are still dying...Good job in keeping peace in Vietnam. Or preventing the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan, or the American Invasion of Iraq. Good job keeping the peace in the Iran-Iraq War. And Once again good job stoping the first Sudanese civil war... did I miss anything? Probably about a few thousand events I couldn't remember. The UN Failed in its primary mission of stopping wars and preventing repetitions of the Holocaust, it failed miserably. The League of Nations was an abysmal failure just like the UN and we all know how well that ended.

Rwanda, Somalia, Yugoslavia, Cyprus, Congo, Liberia, Sierre Leone, and pretty much every other mission. And most of the accomplishments you speak of were done despite the UN rather then because of them.

I love how you think one is responsible for his decisions and the consequences while the other is not responsible for his decisions and is a victim.

The only thing we can do is let them die, because if the west does anything we will be blamed for starting this mess over oil or whatever other reason people come up with. In an Ideal world we would move in and stop this massacre but our hands are tied.

Really...do we want more frivolous Terrorist lawsuits against Canada. Mr Taliban signed up voluntarily to kill people...he knew what he was getting himself into...he was captured... sucks for him but war is hell. At most...manual labour is all I'd give him. Sergeant First Class Christopher Speer's family are going to get some insurance...and given the way he was murdered, they deserves so much more.

It might make me naive but I believe in peacekeeping, not the kind that the UN has been doing for the last 60 years but the real and effective peacekeeping/peacemaking that gets results. I know that as a race we are a long way from world peace but one way to limit war, at least in my opinion is by getting countries to commit to collective security. When country x knows that attacking country y would result in 190 countries standing up and protecting country y it might make people think twice about war. I understand that we have already failed twice on global collective security but I can have my dream. I know it sounds naive but I think it is the only way short of world domination by one power or a group of powers to achieve something in the way of long lasting peace.

My personal opinion is that we need a world government just not this world government. If the UN was properly run and was capable of action, any action other then sending in peacekeepers journalists to record a genocide and report to the rest of the world after the fact.

Thats why the police have to go undercover and stop them...Their silly uniforms makes it easy for the good guys(the police) to stop them doesn't it?