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All parties should be interested, but not above the interests of their constituents. If the premier of any province starts carrying more about the welling of the people in another province than his own constituents and acting contrary to their best interest then he gets changed. We live in a democracy where the majority should theoretically rule and elected officials at the municipal level should look out for the best interest of their municipality, the elected officials at the provincial level should look out for the wellbeing and the interests at the provincial level and they are to be the glue that holds all municipalities together and working properly.Mayor Rob Ford shouldn't worry about the wellbeing and the interests of the people of Winnipeg at the expense of his own city.

So majority rule is BAAAAAAAAD as long as the majority is anglophone, when 75% of the population votes against your cause and 25% of the population votes for your cause it is really bad and disgusting... but when it is 51% separatists vs. the other 49% then majority rules? You have a twisted view on democracy...that is if you even know the meaning of democracy which it seems you do not. DEMOCRACY!!! The Premiers of the provinces are not have to look out for Quebec's interests, but they have to look out for the interests of their people. This is not a betrayal, this is the provinces reaching an agreement in a way they considered best. when negotiating Quebec does not look out for anyone else's interests but their own so why should any other province? Convince enough of your fellow Quebecers and the problem will be solved albeit in a much smaller Quebec. No, see it is ok to look out for the people that elected you, if you are the premier of Quebec you look out for Quebec its not the duty of Ontario to go against their best interests just to appease Quebec. Keep throwing the tantrum... it just shows that you and your arguments are not attached to reality.

Yeah, but those people live in a province, therefore they are donating their hard earned money for the betterment of Quebec's social services wether or not that money went from the people living in the province to Quebec by way of the federal government or the provincial government is irrelevant because at the end of the day Albertans are supporting services in Quebec that they themselves don't enjoy in their province. Tax payers pay my salary even though they have no direct contact with my pay check and the federal government is paying out the actual funds.

You can blow that trumpet all you want but that don't make it true. People living in other provinces as well as businesses pay taxes, thus when the government gives money to Quebec in equalization payments they take money that came from the people of another province. The Government of Canada did not print out a few billion dollars out of nowhere just to give to quebec, they had to get it from somewhere. Gee now prove it. Prove to me how all the provinces get more from the federal government than they give to the federal government while Alberta is the only province that gives more to the Federal government than it receives while Quebec gives more to the federal government than it receives. You really can't keep it straight can you? You put money as part of the deal gee I wonder what its for? Social benefits no other province enjoys? Yes. and at the same time they receive more in transfer payments no matter how much you try to muddy the water. You are right, billions of our dollars won't fit in one envelope, but they do spend it as they please, getting better services than the rest of the country

NAh see, we kick them out because they want to leave...I see no problem with that.

So wait, you are for Quebec having the right to separate from Canada because 51% of Quebecers say so but you are against people separating from Quebec? You whine and cry about the French speakers who make 24% not having a vote, but what about the 49% of Quebecers who like living in Canada? The once who want to be Canadian? Suddenly the majority getting their wish is great but not when it goes against separatists? Gee you seem really tolerant... You fascist!

Oppressed? I'm sorry is the ROC planning on introducing laws to treat the french speakers as second rate citizens? In Quebec if they introduce the idiocy they proposed it would be one step away from getting the Anglophones to sit at the back of the bus while at the same time taking their right to vote away... So you want to FORCE your beliefs on the majority? Im not entirely sure you understand the concept of democracy... if you need a lesson I would gladly take some time to explain it but just because you didn't get your way does not mean that democracy does not work. What on earth are you going on about? I could make some assumptions but cybercoma might throw a tantrum if I make an assumption... so please enlighten me as to the "betrayal" in question. So in your opinion the voice of the French speaking population which is about 25% of the total should be equal to the voice of the majority (the other 75%)? Once again, I think you need to read up on the basic concept of majority rule. Once again, democracy rules, just because you didn't get your way does not give you a right to throw a hissy fit. If we were to give Quebec, or any other province such power for that matter it would mean that we would never get any changes because someone will always be on the loosing end and thus veto the change. What you are describing is not a democracy, you want to put francophones at the top of the food chain, not gone happen. Obviously more than 50% want to remain as a province in Canada, thus Quebec will remain. No, unfortunately for sovereignists the ROC is tired of all the bullshit that sovereignists pull and if Quebec has another referendum to separate, we just might have a referendum to kick you out. You version of agreement is to tell us how to live, You want 25% of the population to have an equal vote as 75% of the population and that will never happen. See, in 95 the government worked hard to keep the country together, but at this point in time people are sick and tired of the tantrums. Quebec is like the spoiled child that wants everything and threatens to run away if they don't get their way...but that has a shelf life and unfortunately for you, that shelf life is done it has expired and the ROC will not be held hostage by a a group of simple minded fools who have not thought out their plans properly and might one day lead their province in to a disastrous attempt at independence. So you want to split, but stay united... You want a Canadian passport and Canadian currency? Do you want to be protected by the CF all the while you pay no taxes? Would you want the Canadian Government to continue protecting a number Quebec industries? would you want to receive equalization payments? Still be able to work in the federal government? Would you like to still receive preferential treatment when it comes to government contracts? I couldn't care less what your feelings are towards the rest of us, what I care about is the things you have done and/or are planning to do. It is simple, Quebec is a province and as such should have no more and no less rights than any other province, or Quebec should be independent, as Canada is to the United States, we may be allies and trading partners but there would be no mixed relationship where one of the provinces is basically an independent nation receiving the benefits of being a province. What do you expect? Mulcair as much as I dislike the NDP he will not commit political suicide and destroy the NDP's chances to form a government by becoming the BQ 2.0 because that is what would happen on the first issue that pits ROC v Quebec, if he goes with Quebec he loses support in the ROC right along with the chances of forming a government if he supports the ROC he loses Quebec but keeps chances of being PM alive. If the separation should ever happen Anglophones will leave Quebec en masse, suddenly along with the Anglophones so too will go all remaining major corporations that deal with Canada as well as Crown Corporations. Tens of thousands of Federal Employees as well as people who work across the at that point international border will lose their jobs. No protection against competition and select industries like the dairy industry will soon collapse as your markets in the ROC will buy cheaper from the States. Losing the Canadian Citizenship means that Quebec needs to open its own Embassies in many more places than they already have. Add to that having to create a military force that would need to meet the most basic needs of the state and lets not forget a fair share of the National debt and the situation does not look to promising. I know it will not work on you, seeing as sovereignists do not deal with facts or figures. If Quebec ever separates the reality will settle really quickly when you realize its not always green on the other side. Union will not work, it will work for Quebec much better than it would work for the ROC. It comes down to this, either independence or being a province, simple answer is that at the end of the day 3/4 of the population will be better off without Quebec because then politically we would be more united there would be a temporary hit to our economy but in the medium to long term we will be much better off than we are now since now politicians of all stripes pander to Quebec's whims even if it is counter to the interest of the rest of the country. What does that mean to you? Would you have your own citizenship and forefeet Canadian Citizenship? Have your military, your own diplomatic core in more than half a dozen countries? Your own currency? Would you take your share of the National debt? What about the anglophones and the francophones who wish to remain part of Canada? Can they separate from Quebec and remain in Canada? What about the natives? If they choose to remain as part of Canada would you let them and their land remain part of Canada? Describe what you envision when you say an independent Quebec? What? See in essence I am in agreement with you, I say Quebec should gain independents minus the people who want to remain as part of Canada, which means a much smaller piece of land. What makes it a English constitution? The fact that its democratic and thus Majority rules? Or would you like to put the veto power in the hands of all the provinces so that PEI could veto some change that would greatly benefit the rest of Canada but will not benefit them and thus they veto it?Are you prepared to give less than half a percent of the population power to deny changes that would work for the other 99.5% of the country? Or is it just Quebec that should have that power? You must be reading from an alternate history or something. 1)What does this prove? Absolutely nothing, well actually that Quebec actively tried to make the US manifest destiny real. 2)Again what does this prove? Some British guy suggested an action that would become damn near a nessesaty about 2 decades later... and to be fair, what did you expect them to do? Close off Canada to new colonists to keep the French speaking population larger? Or did you want them to ask the French to start sending people to a British colony? 3)Cannot make out what you mean there. But you still would want to benefit from being Canadian, one or the other but a hybrid version will not work. To me political corruption is not for this thread, wherever it is and who ever does it it would never benefit the normal people. The politicians at the federal level have been selling out the ROC in favour of Quebec for a long time and will continue to do so until people start showing their displeasure in the voting booths and start kicking them out of office. What I think is that separatists have naive little plans that should Quebec separate the evils that were brought on by the Anglophones will disappear and Quebec would be a utopia, enjoying the good parts of being part of Canada.

Yet they get much more than they give... I think we can survive without them. It will not weaken Canada much, what it will do is finally give us a UNITED country rather than Quebec and the ROC with Quebec getting more than their fair share. Quebec is a have not province, they get equalization payments, should they separate they will have to cover more with less, it is simple mathematics. I think a united Canada makes us stronger rather than weaker. Yeah, but that’s the point, it’s either Quebec or the ROC...that’s what is weakening Canada. and as I mentioned they take more than they contribute...I wonder who will be worse off, Quebec which is leeching off of the other provinces, or the federal government which can now reinvest resources that otherwise would be used to pay off Quebec to keep them in Canada. Yeah, and they get more from everyone else. Yeah, but there is no single province other than Quebec that has such undeserved sense of superiority and one that has been leeching off of the ROC for so long. At different times different provinces take the lead as a productive province, but the constant is that Quebec always takes, take and still wants more. So you are a liar now are you? First only Alberta pays more than it receives now no single province pays more than it receives, make up your mind. Then what is it for? The Equalization payments aren’t to help out the Federal government pay for the Military are they? Why not? They get a lot in Equalization, this means that if they pay 40 billion to the federal government, and receive 53billion from the federal government then should they ever separate they will lose the extra source of income from the other provinces while inheriting their share of the national debt while at the same time adding more expenses in order to be an independent country. I love your creative math, but before we even get to this point the government of Canada is spending more on Quebec than it is getting from them, then you add this and the difference keeps growing. Yes you are right, but at the same time he clearly stated his beliefs and his wants. That is until they post them online. His whole post was his beliefs and thoughts, if you cannot, either that or the poster is lying. How so? They want the best of both world and while they are there they want someone else to pay for it. Bullsh*t, federalists want Quebec as a province pulling its weight. I have no problem with them getting equalization payments if they are just another province, my problem arise when they spit in the face of the ROC, tell us how we are screwing them and then demand more money, services, and government contracts than is their fair share all the while trying to be an independent nation. They take the good AND the bad, or they leave. I want the good without the bad but unfortunately I have to live in the real world. Again, this is bullsh*t, if they cared about the rights of the other provinces they would fight for them to get those rights, but then again if every province received those rights, we would essentially become the UN on life-support. Yes they do, but that does not translate to a place above and beyond the other provinces. What makes them different from say Alberta, Ontario, or Nova Scotia? What makes them more deserving when it comes to provincial powers than the aforementioned provinces? Make up your mind, either it is no province is paying more than receiving or only Alberta is in the black. What does this have to do with anything? They get more from the federal government; they want to continue doing so while being an independent Nation. Irrelevant they still get more than their share. As Wild Bill mentioned above, the British did everything within their power to please Quebec, so I fail to see how they tried and failed. Yes, and yet it did not happen. Are you Acquainted with Canadian history? When did they try? From what I remember, right after peace was signed, the British started giving Quebec special privileges. So you think that we should all be independent Nations? Dealing with immigration on our own, send our own Olympic teams, deal with international organizations as independent nations? Quebec is milking Canada, they get better services than the rest of Canada, they get more in equalization payments, they get more contracts from federal governments and all the while they are the once being screwed over.

How so? Has there been a law that forbids their minorities from seeking office? So I'm a fascist because I don’t want to force them to stay? They want to leave and I am all for it, they will suffer more than I or any other real Canadian will. How so? They want something, and I am happy to give them their desires. No, places me on the side of the good guys, a bad guy would be someone like you, who will use force to keep them in or are you just going to bribe them to stay in this country? Nothing, he was asking about the French, and I figured that they had absolutely nothing to do with either Canadians or Quebecers. Then stop calling them French. Quebec has French speaking population but many of you made it perfectly clear when the MND said they were French that he was wrong... Yea, yet they seem to take it money from the other provinces. And yet they get MORE from the Federal government than they give to the federal government.

How ignorant of you... first of all it is most definitely not a fascist idea to let sovereigntists leave and form their own nation since that is their whole point. If 45% of Quebecers want to separate so badly I am all for it, carve up a chunk of Quebec and let them go, while the rest, the once who want to stay in Canada can stay a province. I am still wondering how letting sovereigntists get what they want is fascist... or do you have a problem understanding the word fascist?

How has English Canada Oppressed Quebec in any way shape or form? If anything it is Quebec that is oppressing their English speaking minority. And that is exactly what it does, how does it in anyway work against French Speaking citizens? How exactly has Quebec been “kicked” out officially since 1982? It’s funny but democracy works like that. Apparently he please at least 50% of Quebecers as well, don’t you think so? Do you have anything supporting such claims? Because the PQ beat the liberals by 60,000 votes and 4 seats. I am all for kicking a sovereigntist’s out of the country, give them a piece of land to call their own, and take away passports and citizenship, no more Federal Government protecting Quebec’s industries, no more equalization payments, no more cheap education for Quebec. At the end of the day, Canada will be better off without Quebec than Quebec without Canada. I don’t think we expect the French to live under the Canadian constitution, I’m sure France has its own constitution. Canada is as strong as ever, there is no real threat of Quebec gaining their independence anytime soon, and if they did gain independence that will not weaken Canada by much. Yeah, the NDP will not last long in Quebec, or it will not last long in the ROC. I would rather accept Quebec as a fully independent nation and let them live in squalor rather than subjugate the rest of us to the whims of a entitled minority. Yes, we want to look out for out interests as well, rather than have the entire nation work and pay taxes in order to satisfy Quebec. Quebec is a province, and thus has to be equal to other provinces, either Quebec is a province, or Quebec is independent, what people like you want is to keep all the good things Quebec gets from Canada while tossing away all the bad things, and life does not work in such a fashion, you take the good with the bad or not at all. It’s not normal for one province to demand superior status to all other provinces you are either a province, or an independent nation, it is one or the other, you cant keep the benefits of being a province and a Canadian citizens, while taking the benefits of being an independent nation. Damn right it doesn’t look fair, it is not fair to the other 27,000,000 people in the country. Damn right its not like the other provinces, the other provinces give and take, Quebec takes takes takes… Different languages yes, different nations NO! If the British had tried to “assimilate” Quebec they would have, the British gave more freedoms to Quebec than they gave to the 13 colonies. Be a good little province or be an independent nation either way it will work, but what will not work because the ROC will be unsatisfied is to have you as a province and a nation. Quebec is milking Canada, not the other way around.

Good luck doing that in any other province. What reaction can we expect from Quebec if say New Brunswick passed a law that prevents their French speaking minority from seeking office or even contributing funds to their preferred candidate/party? Some from Quebec want to treat the Anglophone minority as second rate citizens but if the laws proposed were applied anywhere else in the country it would infuriate the same group and will be used as an example of how English speaking Canada is "oppressing" Quebec.

It is a shocker, the people doing the killing will not willingly give up their arms, but somehow the people not doing the killings giving up their arms will bring forth world Peace.

Name calling us juvenile? Multiple personality disorder?

You are the proof that the education system is broken.

So one article, from one city comparing results on 2 subjects is to represent North America?

He is the proof that the education system is broken.

Keep those blinders on...

Now care to provide us with an insight on how gun laws come in to play when considering these statistics?

Actualy I said that, but hey I know you can't read so you are excused

Care to prove how the gun laws fit in to this? And what effect it would have on the US should the government disarm the legal gun owners leaving the criminals and police as the only once armed? Care to provide facts to support that the crime rate in Europe is lower because of gun control? And no the voices in your head are not proof.

Don't ask please, we may not like the answer.

He is a lonely child with no friends, he needs some human interaction, we are doing some charity for him.

Its funny how you NEVER make any sense. If public education was doing such a disservice, then why are millions if kids enrolled. What else are they going to do? Not everyone has the means to enrol their children in a private school, nor do they have the means to homeschool their kids. I hear of those problems, you ignore those problems because it does not suit your trolling ways. You don't have the mental capacity to comprehend the issue at hand.