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What do you care? Your country just ships the coal to China and you get to pretend like you are saving the planet because you use Wind Turbines while they burn your coal for you.

Nope. 1. “The groups were National Socialists.” Some founding figures came from far-right organizations like the Social-National Assembly and Patriot of Ukraine. That’s documented. That still isn’t the same as saying the entire Azov unit officially declared itself a Nazi organization. 2. Size of extremist ideology inside Azov. In 2015 an Azov spokesperson told USA Today that about 10–20% of members identified as Nazis. Even if you take that estimate at face value, it means most members did not. 3. Symbols. Yes, the early emblem resembled a Wolfsangel and there were extremist symbols among some fighters. That’s widely reported. But that symbol existed long before Nazi Germany and appears in other historical contexts. That’s why reporting describes it as associated with neo-Nazis, not proof that the entire unit is Nazi. 4. Tattoos and individuals. Some fighters had Nazi tattoos. True. That still describes individual members, not the ideology of thousands of later recruits. 5. War-crime allegations. The United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights documented abuses in the Donbas war involving many armed groups. Some incidents involved Azov members. Those reports did not conclude that Azov as a whole systematically committed war crimes. 6. Integration into Ukraine’s forces. Ukraine incorporated multiple volunteer battalions in 2014 to bring them under state control during an active war. Azov was one of many units integrated that way. Bottom line: Early Azov had far-right members and controversial symbolism. That is already widely documented. What isn’t supported by the evidence is the claim that the entire unit, or Ukraine’s military as a whole, is Nazi. Repeating “some members were extremists” doesn’t change that distinction. Of course it will end, because you will run away like the coward you are and then come back a few months from now pushing this same BS and we will do this all over again.

The President of the US? Yeah, sure, they can speak all they want, none of them have unilateral authority to engage in any deals for their own countries, let alone all of NATO. You. Are. Full. Of. Shit. No, I very correctly point out that none of these things were formal agreements binding NATO to anything. They had a formal agreement after this, it was not a part of it. You are taking historical comments out of context, paraphrasing them, stringing them together, to try to make it into something it never was. The only person here with no integrity is you. They are not lies, these were all comments made BEFORE any formal agreement was made. If people are in negotiations and make offers and comments that are not part of the final agreed-upon deal, they are not liars, nor are they liars when they have no capacity to behold NATO to anything they said. If you or the Soviets or the Russians are too stupid to grasp this concept, that is on you and them.

And now you are going to be obtuse and ignore the point. I mean, this is what you do routinely on here. You make crappy comments and then run away from them.

It’s comical how you act like this while you are a coward hiding from me.

And they are still getting that money from the consumers…

I know you don’t care, but you keep pretending you do and I refute that. This is why you need to look at yourself instead of calling everyone else stupid.

Where do Corporations get their profits from? These costs are passed on to the consumers. Again, this is the same argument you are making about tariffs.

If the Illegal is not here, they wouldn’t be here to kill someone… This is basic common sense that you turn a blind eye to.

There is no such thing as a corporate tax, it’s just a product tax that consumers pay.

Yes, seriously. You can pretend it’s not happening, doesn’t change the facts that it is and folks on your side of the political spectrum support it. I mean, you can keep crying about half the country being stupid too… You are pushing ignorant leftist talking points that have been long debunked. There are more than NCAA athletes, that was also just a comment about known athletes made during a hearing, not a real or accurate count of all those engaged in the sport. Even then… it’s a ruse, as to what number is acceptable to you for some dude beating women in sports? The answer should be zero. The argument is not about “immigrants” in general, but ILLEGAL immigrants and even more the ones that get caught breaking the law even more and then folks like you let them go back on the streets rather than coordinate with ICE for deportation and then they go on to harm Americans more.

You just called it a comedy show. Now you not only think it’s funny, you just don’t give a crap that these illegal immigrants get a CDL and kill people.

What evidence do you have he did something wrong?

Ah I see, so now a majority of the voting age population is stupid. At some point, you need to do some internal soul searching that maybe when you are on the side of butchering children, letting dudes destroy women in their sports, and letting illegal immigrants overrun the border and rape and murder Americans, the issue is you.

You think it’s funny that illegal immigrants are getting CDL’s and are woefully not qualified and end up killing people on the roads? Projection.

Well, you may not have been fined, but you certainly put out more lies here than they ever have.

I mean, it doesn’t say much for the political left that they lost two elections to someone you think is so stupid. Maybe… just maybe… he can say some stupid things, do some stupid things, and be someone you adamantly disagree with on policy, but still be a reasonably intelligent person and not a complete dolt like you think.

ICE isn’t being sent to do any of those things. This is a lie.

You seem woefully uninformed on what occurred last night for someone wanting to complain about how embarrassing anything was.

As opposed to the pathological lying coward you are?

Were you dressed up like a frog?

Apparently so you can say stupid things too… If you care so much about the cost, stop supporting the policies and people who encourage the lawlessness he is cleaning up.

Tear them down how? Can you offer anything of substance? Now do Corporate taxes you leftist support. You admit that taxing them is really just taxing all the people who consume their products?

Nope. You’re mostly repeating things that were already acknowledged and then treating them as if they prove something new. 1. “Some members called themselves National Socialists.” True for some early members. That still doesn’t mean the unit as an organization declared itself Nazi. Large volunteer units often contain ideological factions. 2. “They came from far-right groups.” Also true. The Azov Battalion was partly formed from activists connected to far-right movements in 2014. That’s already widely documented. 3. “They used Nazi symbols.” Some early imagery resembled symbols later used by Nazis, like the Wolfsangel. Important detail you’re leaving out: that symbol existed centuries before Nazi Germany and appears in European heraldry. That’s why historians describe the symbolism as associated with neo-Nazis, not proof that the unit itself was Nazi. 4. “Some had Nazi tattoos.” Correct. Journalists documented individuals with extremist tattoos. Again, individuals inside a militia ≠ the ideology of the entire formation. 5. “UN confirmed Azov war crimes.” That’s not what the reports say. The United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights documented allegations involving multiple armed groups in the Donbas war. They did not conclude Azov was systematically committing war crimes as a unit. 6. “Ukraine welcomed Nazi war criminals.” What actually happened is Ukraine incorporated many volunteer battalions into state command in 2014 to bring them under government control during the war. The logical problem in your argument You keep restating the same premise: • Some early members were extremists. Then jumping to: • Therefore the entire unit is Nazi. Those are not the same claim, and repeating it louder doesn’t make it more accurate. The basic facts most researchers agree on • Early Azov included far-right members and controversial symbolism. • The unit later became part of Ukraine’s National Guard and expanded far beyond that original core. • Evidence does not support the claim that the unit or Ukraine’s military as a whole is Nazi.

There is no verbal contract. None of these people had any authority to bind NATO to any such deal, these were negotiations BEFORE the final deal was ever made or comments made by people with no such authority. This has been explained to you repeatedly by me on here. This is shit pushed by Russia, long debunked, and not a serious argument.