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You folks use that word “experimental” to make it sound far more nefarious than it was. And? The stats and facts remain the same, that the vaccinated had a significantly less likelihood of death or serious illness as compared to the unvaccinated. That isn’t anything I did. Yes, improvements in those things did help with the spread of disease, but that didn’t eliminate or reduce it like the vaccine did.

You never redirected it to me… you merely accused me of not answering a question not asked of me as if it were. Now you are hiding from your own stupidity.

This isn’t asking me to make a rebuttal to anything. You are asking me a question I have already answered. Just dumb games is all you got.

You not only can’t discuss things on a factual basis, you admit you refuse to, and most all you have now is acting like a child.

No, you didn’t ask me anything. Can you not keep up with whom you are talking to? I already explained the relevance and f my questions. You can’t respond to that, same as when I point out your duplicity when it comes to Ukraine, so you run away. It is not mere criticism though. Of course you can be critical of them both. Of course you can criticize both… but to what end? Which is exactly why I ask what you expect them to do or if in the end you even support their actions, you just wish it could be a bit better. It’s like if your home was on fire and your family and you were trapped inside. It is life or death. The fire department shows up, and they carry you all out to safety, but on the way they smash your kids head into the wall as they frantically try to get you all out. Yeah, you can criticize them… that was awful, maybe they should have been more careful, but in the end you still wanted them to carry you to safety and recognize while a mistake, in the context of what was going on and the chaos, they still saved your lives. I think that isn’t what you are doing here though, you are saying, no, they should have left you to die because too many mistakes will be made trying to save you… Only, it’s not your family being saved, it’s Israeli families half a world away you have nothing really vested in caring about. Israel isn’t doing whatever it wants to do, they are not immune from criticism, and this thread wasn’t about mere criticism it was about conspiratorial BS on the war being started and prolonged to keep Netanyahu out of prison. So… can you admit that or just gonna keep playing your stupid games and/or run away like you almost always do?

Well, except for the fact that he does in fact have a side on this issue. It’s not the first discussion we have had or he has been a part of… and you left out his dismissive comment on why are we even talking about this… The usual obfuscation tactic from people on that side of this issue.

It’s called a rhetorical device. Making a point with a question. You don’t have to answer it. The point is that your criticism would leave one to conclude that what you support is Hamas continuing to engage in daily terrorism killing, murdering, torturing, taking hostages, firing random missiles into civilian areas… because Israel can never fight a war perfect enough for you to defeat Hamas. They just have to live with… I mean, er, die with these conditions. Do you support putting missiles, arms, and tunnels under schools?

Another thread, another day, where our self proclaimed “conservative” is patting himself on the back siding with another leftist on the forum. Small break from the usual like fest of Herbie the other leftist…

Can you imagine if a late night comic on a major media network like this joked about Obama dying? It would be another three mile island nuclear meltdown of a catastrophe in news coverage condemning them.

So… you think Israel is worse than Hamas now? Israel IS fighting this war following more principles than those they are fighting against. I agree with your sentiment, but even then, Israel IS fighting this war doing more than just about anyone if not everyone to avoid just killing civilians.

If they are what you are using, clearly not.

The joke is you. That you hide like a coward on here and still talk shit like you are not a coward.

I think you type out stuff on here as if your brain is in a blender. You speak out of both sides of your mouth trying to say you don’t hate guns, bring my up irrelevant mass shootings and use kids to make an emotional argument against guns, then focus most of your time on pushing gun control… So… I’m asking. Not really. We would have nothing but laws and be some authoritarian police state if we passed laws like that. That was never the topic. This is a thread about the attempted assassination on Trump and other federal officials.

1. It’s your dumb assertion. You are running away from supporting it. 2. I don’t need proof, it’s your dumb assertion. It’s your job to back it up.

1. So… are you able to actually back up the crap you asserted, or you gonna sleep lashing out like a petulant child? 2. Once again… it is your assertion they are biased, because of the city, it is your burden of proof to back that up.

So… 1. that is not logical. It’s circular. 2. You are attacking the source… simply because of the city. Again, not logical.

How does Israel fight and win against Hamas? Do you even support that?

Again, says the coward hiding.

This is your argument. Explain how it weakens my position. Of course, because as you have repeatedly admitted, you don’t care about facts. You push illogical and two faced positions. Rebuttal to what?

Says the guy who cheered on arresting and prosecuting Trump for a speech he gave as “incitement?”

Little doubt? This is nothing more than the shit you pulled out of your ass.

These are your convoluted positions, not mine. My position was, to start this discussion, that Vaccines are clearly, vastly, a more positive outcome than negative, in that they provide people protection from COVID vs harming them. You are the one who has turned this into your own pretzel of responses about masks. You have already said you reject all facts. Yet continue making absurd assertions of fact you can’t back up. Now you are willing to see them? You can find all sorts of studies like these, and basic common sense review of stats available with how vaccinated people had a lower death rate and lower severe illness rate than the unvaccinated. That compared to any negative side effects, the vast majority of people benefited from vaccines bs were harmed by them. “Therefore, we concluded that the benefits of the Moderna vaccine outweigh its risks for the overall target population.” https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10234830/

Sure… I’m not the one arguing it was an actual roast as if that makes it all OK.

Do you support the 2nd Amendment, individual firearm ownership?

Except that isn’t the common denominator at all as school shootings still occur with legally purchased and/or stolen weapons that have nothing to do with safe storage… Yes… it is a social contagion here now. Why did you bring it up?