Jedi_Master_Tallyn

I used it as a comparison, because in my opinion, a riot is a riot, and all it does is prove the people you are rioting against right. Big deal, you are educated, that does not make your opinion any less valuable than mine. But we have gotten off topic. and since you are unwilling to admit to being wrong about riots being a crime and serving no purpose other than property damage. With attitudes like this it is no wonder the moderates are flocking to the conservatives.

a Riot is a crime carried out by criminals and the 60's riots pushed more white people away while Dr. King and his peaceful protest had white folks marching with him.

No you stuck up self righteous religion bigot I can not prove you wrong there because you are right. And I if choose the see the good in humans that makes me an optimist not a morally bankrupt bigot. You still have yet to show me where I spewed hate speak while you have denounced anyone that prays to any God as a bigot dispute my saying they are not all like that. Take a long look in the mirror you hate over religion while most likely justified based on you life experiences make you no better than those you profess to hate. I am done with you goodbye.

That is the biggest pile of nonsense I have seen spewed since I don't know when. Equivalence??????? That is like saying Jeffery Domer is not a murder because he ate his victims we should considering him a hunter. A riot is a riot and a murder is a murder. That is what I am trying to get through to you. Who won does not matter because NO ONE WON!!!!!!! You still do not understand. The normal everyday person does not care about that, they just see rioters, hear why they are rioting shake their heads in disgust and move on. You said: "I can certainly agree that ignorant simplistic people see...." Every time you say something dismissive like that you come across as a educated college elitest snob that looks down on them for disagreeing with you.

Well, so far you are the hate monger in my eyes you just called me stupid for disagreeing with you. And I really wish I could prove you wrong; here is what you don understand. We don't and shouldn't judge who is or is not a good Christian. We can have our ideal Christian, which to me and seems like you a person that has faith in the Christian God and believes in his message of tolerance and love. What I was saying is do not judge them as Christians. Because the people you a referring to in my mind are not. The West Wing in the episode Issac and Ishmeal explained this so much better than I could. But I will attempt to sum up. Please go watch the episode it is worth watching if for no other reason that to get a better summation than this. Islamic is to Islamic Extremist as Christianity is to the KKK. Both are hate filled groups that use religion to justify horrendous crimes against humanity and hate filled rhetoric. Neither has anything to do with the religion that is being used as a pedestal to hold their hate. That is what I was trying to convey, it is not for us to decide what is a good Christian or other, but we can judge what constitutes a good human being. I really really wish I could prove you wrong. I wish none of the religions of the world were used by hate groups to spread their message of inequality. Rather that they remember this little rule that is the corner stone of most every religion on the planet, Treat others as you would be treated. That to me is the ultimate lesson in equality.

Fascism is it environmental fascism to admit that over the THOUSANDS of years that humans have lived on this planet that they have in fact effected the environment. You original post did not say China. It did not say South America. It did not say Asia or Europe. It SAYS HUMANS. Do not call people that disagree with you fascist unless you are ready to be proven to be an idiot of the highest order. Fascist do not debate about whether they are right or wrong they simply kill anyone that disagrees with them. Much easier to maintain order that way. Fascist do not quote science, articles different speakers to improve their arguments. They argue with firing squads and hangman nooses. You said HUMANS, and THAT is WHY YOU ARE WRONG and will STAY WRONG until you realize your error. Now I am willing to bet NO ONE on this site disagrees with ANYTHING you said about the United States being one of if not the cleanest country in the world. But you said HUMANS not the UNITED STATES. Humans have built Dams, canals cities, roads, farms, and none of these things effected the environment? Dams do not flood areas when they are finished? Canals do not produce new water ways that connect to previously not touching bodies of water? This ALL effects the environment. and changes the climate of the world. You sir are a primidone, who throws insults when proven wrong. YOU SAID HUMANS CANNOT CHANGE THE CLIMATE. We have proven you wrong while you argued about individual countries. If you want to argue about what individual countries are doing do not say HUMANS. HUMANS means we get to include ALL of human history, and the ENTIRE PLANET in our argument against you. Admittedly I started it by calling you a sad insane little clown, and while I do apologize for loosing my cool. If the shoe fits.

You are a sad little insane clown. It is not EnviroKarenism to admit that Human HAVE and CAN changed the environment you mouth breather.

Well to God is all about love. And where do you get this hate stuff from please point out to me what I have said that constitutes me hating someone. Cann't really argue that one. But I do believe that rotten folks should also seeks God's forgiveness, it is not my place to give it to them. It is not my place to tell them to even seek it. I honestly do not agree with most Christians about a lot of thing because they want to take the moral high ground and " say that God is love a lot." and are "Mostly from moral coward who hide behind that to hate without a just cause." To me if you are using Christianity to hate you are doing it wrong. And no I really do not judge them to be ok most religious people are douche nozzles and the worst possible example of that religion. Mainly because the good ones mind their on business and do not point the moral gun at people, and remember something more people should be taught. "When pointing an accusing finger at someone take a good look at you hand and see how many are pointing back at you." I am not perfect far from, I believe in tolerance, and love for my fellow man, woman, other. I believe that religion and love are personal to each individual, I believe that we cannot say all of any group is bad. No matter how much of said group sadly meets the stereotype or not. Are most Christians hiding behind the "Christian morals" to hate those that are different. Yes sadly. does this mean all over them are that way. No. My religious beliefs more closely align with Jed Barlett from the West Wing, with the added belief that I cannot tell you how to find God, Alla, Jehovah, Buddah, Thor, whatever deity you choose and works for you. All I can do is follow my beliefs not force my morals on someone and encourage you on your own spiritually journey. If that does not clear it up for how about this. My daughter is bisexual I still love her, I loved her before, I love her after, her telling me changed nothing about how I feel about her except I curb the jokes about grandkids. mostly because she said it bothers her. It was no hard ship for me to attend a pride event with her because she asked me too. And while it was my first that is more down to I am a very shy and private person, and was never invited to one by my friends that are not hetero because they felt the large crown would trigger me. It did, but I would crawl through glass for my kid.

You don't get it. There is no difference to the majority of normal people. We see both as riots, we see both as terrible. We see both as each side having a crybaby fit when it lost. Denying just insults my intelligence, and yours. And judging from your statements I am guessing you are fine with what happened in 2017. Well, just remember who owns the most guns. Think I'll move to Austrailia when the revolution happens I really do not want to go back to the "good ole days"

I agree with everything you just said. I DO not and WILL not and HAVE not denied that the MAGA crowd and Trump did exactly as you said they did. You and the others are the ones being unreasonable. You are the one denying what happened in 2017. Was that a riot? YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Was it a left group? YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not once have I denied what the MAGA and Trump did in 2021. The only reason you have for calling me unreasonable is because I am right and calling you on your Bull Excrement. Go ahead deny it happened again you maybe someone will believe this time. I say again what you said happened in 2021 happened almost exactly as you said it did. Not adult enough to admit your side made the same mistake 4 years earlier? I don't really care because I dislike both sides. You are all acting like children going "But he started it" Choose to be the one to stop the cycle of crap. Also since when did Reuters become nonsense?

It is not so much that most do not believe in man made climate change most are intelligent enough to realize the facts. Humans can not live in a environment and not change it. It is more a fact of the cost of changing out said gas guzzler is beyond most starting middle class and lower class individuals or even families. It is that there is no real affordable viable solution yet and the fact the both sides are to busy arguing about semantics, volcanos, large cities other man made pollutants, and finally x country is ignoring environmental stuff so why should we bother. To be honest to the average person the environmental debate comes off as a bunch of children arguing on a playground and we tend to tune out rather quickly when the muck starts being thrown. That is why the average person does not realize just what the situation is. While not dire yet, dire is approaching. Which is the other problem. "Oh this won't really be a problem for 100 years won't effect me." Continues with boring uneventful life that barely is a blip in the annuals of the history of this planet.

It is actually financial, the oil conglomerates, pay and bribe to push the "Human cannot change climate view" because they do not want their product replaced. The major car companies help them because of the cost to redesign their product. The politicians let themselves be bribed because they know we are no where near a solution yet. So hey profit.

yes it is whether you want to admit it or not it was a left group rioting in DC that day. To the average American all we saw is this. In 2016 the left rioted when Trump won. in 2020 the right did the same damn thing. Accept it. This is how it looked to the moderates. The people you need to reach. And I believe that crap about Trump "stoking the fires" as much as I believe the nonsense being said about Hunter and Uncle Joe. I have been hearing this same exact Bull Stuff since Clinton. Show me where they actually arrested someone in any of these cases. It is all crap, and he said she said, not one of the MSM outlets lets us know when these things get cleared up because that does not produce ratings. In 30's years of this nonsense not 1 single arrest. Not one person did time in prison. Oh wow corrupt politicians and business men. Your continued shock is tiring, all of you.

I never said they didn't I just said do not be a hypocrite. How many death threats did trump get? How many people hated (with in reason mind that guy was a nut ball by any standard and the best reason to keep Trump right where he was) Pence? All I am saying is you want to call people out for fine. Just do not get mad when they point at you doing the same thing.

You quoted on little sentence that said that while most of the rest of the article proves others wise how about what the teacher said? You want to know what I said to my MAGA friend that drank the trump kooliade when the trumpites stormed the Capital building? You know that moral high ground you have enjoyed the last for years? you just lost it. How does it feel to be seen as just as insane as those you claim to be against. He took off the hat and never put it on again.

I already covered this with Aristides go read what I said to them.

1. It is not for you to judge who is and is not a Christian. 2. I do not care who your are attracted to love is love and since my God is a God of Love I do not see him condemning anyone for real love. 3. What happens in your bedroom is your business, just as what happens in mine is mine. Unless we make it other peoples business. Federal government has as much business saying this is or is not a marriage as any one religion does. Well... I guess the Federal Government may have to define it a little, for tax purposes of course. NOT morality. 4. You do not know me. And you obviously did not really read what I wrote, How you got that I am a homophobe or a misogynists from what I said is beyond me. All I said is not all churches are that way. do not stereotype. Are most of them? Yup. But saying of all them are is just as horrible as saying all Catholics are pedo's. Or any not hetero is a sexual deviant, or you are stupid if you do not have a penis. (Personally I think a case could be made for the opposite of that but hey what do I know as a penis carrier.) Try actually reading what people wrote to me Love is love I do not get to define it for you or anyone else. You tell me you are in love with X person over there, Who am I do DARE to tell you or anyone else otherwise. How dare anyone. Oh and study your bible better it was Jesus telling people that stoning someone was bad. [4] They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.[5] Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?[6] This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.[7] So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.[8] And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.[9] And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.[10] When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?[11] She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. It was about forgiveness. He forgave her he forgave them.

And do not for a minute think I would not be calling out a Rightie for the exact same nonsense. You want the moral high ground, ACT LIKE IT! Stop with the violence the name calling and GROW UP! Because as someone that remembers the 80's and the 90's because I was there. Every time either side acts like that all I want to say is change your diaper. You do not get to ignore the parts of history that paint you views in a bad light anymore than anyone else. Socialism is not the same as being a Nazi. Communism is not the same as totalitarianism. But thanks to Hitler and Stalin these two ECONAMIC systems got tarred with a fairly nasty brush. And ignore that fact merely gives your opponents a avenue to attack your views. Better to embrace your history warts and all. After all while the leaders and heros of the past come off looking fairly badly when compared to today's morals. How will we look in 200 years? "Can you believe they refused to admit that all humans were the same race and separated people by skin tone or region of birth what was wrong with those people?"

You are splitting that hair mighty thin my friend, but ok the left did not attack the capital building itself. But to say the right was stupid for violence after Biden won when the left was violent after Trump won Pot Kettle SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many shades of black.

Soooooo... what am I being dishonest about here exactly???????????

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-inauguration-protests/violence-flares-in-washington-during-trump-inauguration-idUSKBN1540J7 yeah... no try again Reuters is the source.

two wrongs don't make a right. Sinking to their level and slinging mud just makes you look just as insane and ignorant as they do the impartial observer. In the 90's liberals won hearts and minds by being the reasonable ones that debated rather than slung mud and insults. Then they won the culture war and became EVERYTHING they claimed to hate about the conservatives. Well done you are just as intolerant as racist, sexist and homophobes.

oh did you forget the left doing the exact same thing 4 years earlier?? your hypocrisy is showing. You are not allowed to call someone stupid when they do something you yourself just got through doing.

I really do want to be insulting but BRAH....... Just by living on the planet we effect the environment. Fossil fuel consumption, asphalt, concrete, glass, major cities and neighborhoods taking up grazing land of wild animals. Humans have been effecting the environment since the bronze age. Time to smell the coffee, the first time we domesticated an animal we effected the environment, planted crops; effected the environment. Not all of the effects have been bad, But after the industrial revolution most were and are. While I admit Fossil fuel are not the only bad effect out there nor are they the only human controlled bad effect out there, At the moment it is the biggest effect, right behind volcanic eruptions, Which happen so often, try going with things that can be proven like the volcano thing. Or how much oil those turbines need, the effects of lithium batteries on the environment. But saying human cannot effect the environment. Yeah no not buying it. I have common sense.

The first part of you statement is true so no need to address this though I disagree with this just means that they have not been reached yet and you need to keep working on them and talking to them intelligently to help them understand. If they choose to dismiss you and go away still ignorant you can hold you head high that you tried and did not dismiss someone simply because they disagreed with you. If you only talk to people that agree with you or your fact you are like the french radical watching the mob go by; "There go my people I need to find out where they are going so I can lead them" Instead you should aspire to reach those that disagree with you. And when they insult and belittle you while you maintain intelligent discourse know that they have conceded the high ground and you are winning. I would rather loose an argument where I made someone stop and think about the issue than win one where that same person walked away angry and feeling dismissed.