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Bullshit. It is happening on a large scale. And it is wrong. Why do you think people are protesting? US-born citizen sues after twice being arrested by immigration agents "DHS authorizes these armed raids based on the general assumption that certain groups of people in the industry, including Latinos, are likely illegal immigrants," Venegas' attorney claimed in the lawsuit. "Once immigration officers are on a site, they preemptively seize everybody they think looks undocumented."

🙄And you're just a shade smarter than a bag of hammers, so I'll give your unhinged reactions all the consideration they are due.

I did what now? I'm assuming you're painting me with some kind of broad brush, but it seems entirely disassociated from actual history. If you want to talk about which political party has staunchly opposed comprehensive immigration reform, guest worker programs and all other attempts to modernize our approach to immigration, it's the Republicans. Including Trump himself torpedoing a Republican-led bill with bipartisan support just a couple of years ago. The Trumpublican idea is rather less sophisticated. Howzabout a big wall?🙄

Wrong. We have always, for decades, arrested, incarcerated and deported criminals and the undocumented (two totally separate buckets). We have done so by simply arresting those individuals. We have not done so by terrorizing communities en masse. That is the wrong approach. It creates enemies of the communities that agencies are supposed to serve.

Not very well. Rather than taking the cues to do right, you'd just ratchet up the authoritarian deployment of force to do more wrong more effectively. You can beat people until they cower and comply. You can't beat people into becoming allies. Rather than by the people, for the people, you've chosen North Korean compliance. The ability to course correct is a virtue. Where have all the conservatives gone?

Paramilitary troops shooting a protester holding a megaphone is a pretty apt summary of life in Trump's America. Kid is unarmed and looks like he weighs a buck thirty including the megaphone. Didn't appear to even touch anyone. I can see why a gaggle of armed and armored troops were so scared that they decided to shoot him in the face. 🙄

If you have to make up false positions for me, you may as well leave me out of it and create a fake persona as well. I have said quite consistently that the problem with what ICE is doing now is that they have intentionally and deliberately adopted new methods intended to sow fear. The leadership thought that terrorizing immigrant communities would lead to self deportation--and it probably has, but it turns out that terrorizing communities has secondary effects as well. The leadership is neither wise, nor thoughtful.

No, we just have VERY different perspectives. I think authoritarian abuses are the root problem. You think resistance to authoritarian abuses justifies the abuses. "Look what you made me do!" The fact is that various means of resistance to ICE--both wise and unwise--were never an issue before. Heavier deportations in previous administrations did not generate this response. What's happening now is a direct response to ICE's new tactics, which are deliberately and intentionally crafted to sow fear and chaos. Well, that's working, but people don't like living in an environment of fear and chaos, hence the resistance. ^^You want to talk about cause and effect, there it is. If ICE were still functioning as a proper law enforcement agency people wouldn't hate and fear them. Instead, they are Trump's goon squad, rightly despised as a paramilitary invasion of the communities they go into.

You're misunderstanding Descartes--which is common. It's not a celebration of thinking or an attempt to assert the virtue of reason over faith. Not a mantra either. The fact of thinking is simply proof of one's own existence. Full stop.

I'd like to think it's because you've been taught ways to tell right from wrong and would choose to do right as duty to yourself and to your fellow man. If fear of divine punishment and reward are the only thing keeping you decent, you are really vulnerable to moral drift and manipulation. Things like the golden rule are easy enough. Tools like Rawlsian conception of justice build upon the basics. Either way, people will have to choose to do right or do wrong, but an internal framework is both sturdier and more resilient.

That's one of the principle problems with organized religion: rather than learning and internalizing the tools of decency, people rely on someone else's third-hand interpretation of a set of obscure rules. That's why it's so easy for a charismatic voice to bend them to evil ends--and why history is chock-full of sectarian atrocities. If people learned to effectively judge right and wrong for themselves we'd all be a lot better off.

😆There are literally tens of thousand of sects based just on that one book, not to mention all of the other texts and oral traditions out there. And the sanctimonious conceit of each one is that they alone understand the true meaning. Not to mention that the "infallible word of god" is an anthology assembled by the Catholic Church. I've read the Bible. One star. Would not recommend.

Humans are suuuuper good at discerning the will of God. Uncountable sects have discovered through divine revelation that the god(s) favors them and that they have the one and only truth. If the gods exist, they sure are pranksters.

That's a blatant lie. Par for you.

Awful. I understand quitting in protest, but eventually that will just leave our institutions populated exclusively by the politically corrupt.

Your detestation of facemasks is clearly subordinate to your tolerance for authoritarianism. Like the abusive father who says, "Look what you made me do!" LEOs haven't been driven to it, just Trump's goon squad. I pity the veteran officers who were there when it was a respectable organization. Now they are lumped together with a flood of xenophobic zealots and sent out to terrorize American communities. It's a consistent theme that the MAGA crowd is never upset at egregious actions of government officials and agencies, but rather upset at the people who call out that behavior. The mean ol' press. The mean ol' protestors. Nobody is protesting normal behavior. Nobody is doxxing Officer Friendly. (Look he has a name!) The ones who catch heat are those who are doing egregious things. As always, the problem isn't objections to bad behavior, it's the bad behavior itself. People doing the right thing don't need masks.

Economic theory is miles over your head. May as well be quantum physics. But what anyone should know is that the Fed system was created by Congress specifically as an independent agency to avoid political manipulation of our monetary policy. It is not a political entity. It is independent for very good reason, and yes, Trump's attempts to coerce and strongarm that agency is very much an erosion of checks and balances. It's an unethical encroachment on congressional authority and an attempt to pervert another politically independent body and functionally consolidate that authority in the executive. And this particular executive is a narcissistic sociopath bent on serving his own interests rather than those of the people. It would be an unmitigated disaster.

You people are nuts. You believe any random thing you hear in the conservative infobubble and adopt it as dogma. No facts required. You've simply swallowed the propaganda hook line and sinker. Here are facts. With data visualization from the decidedly un-left CATO. A. There never were open borders. That's a total and complete fabrication. The border laws were the exact same under Biden as they had been before. That is a fact. And Biden DID NOT cut enforcement. B. Biden's enforcement was dramatically more impactful than Trump's, with far greater numbers expelled and removed. C. What did change is that far more people were coming. So you should ask yourself WHY your understanding of the facts is so radically inverted from the actual facts themselves? Who did you listen to to get the narrative backward? And maybe, you know, stop listening to them.

Great. So we agree that was a nonsensical non-example of open borders. The separation of jurisdictions and powers exists for a reason. It's not a suggestion. Texas should stay in its lane.

This is just nonsense. Pure nonsense. A. This is the first example of doxing that I can find. "In 1997, a website known at the time as Nurnberg Files doxxed a list of abortion providers’ personal information as a hit list intended for anti-abortion activists. This was one of the first doxing campaigns in the US." -- It also happened recently with the Sandy Hook parents and the gamergate, so stop pretending this is somehow the domain of "the left." B. Every police officer in the country, AFAIK, must identify themselves and even produce a badge number when requested. Are they not at the exact same risk? Is it because they are of the community and tasked to serve and protect? -- As opposed to masked thugs abducting people off the street --not with warrants or as the outcome of an investigation, but literally just because of how the "look." Should all police be the secret police? Trump's Tonton Macoutes? If some masked thug drags you off the street you have no right to resist, nor any right to even know who is abducting you or why. Sounds like you're embracing dystopia with open arms. C. Again, the answer to a fear of doxxing is to function as a professional organization, enforcing the law with discipline and rigor, but also wisdom and restraint. Don't do things you would be ashamed of doing if people were to find out.

Holy shit. I didn't realize that the Biden administration invented the concept of federated government. Super good find. Or, just another example of the laws being followed. The states are not responsible for borders or border enforcement. Full stop. All states. Texas is not a special snowflake.

Conservatives used to mistrustful of big government and LEO militarization. Turns out a lot of them, like you, weren't conservative after all. Just eager submissives waiting for an authoritarian daddy. Ruby Ridge for white people bad. Ruby Ridge for brown people, and you can't get enough. Yes, for a fact, ICE has abducted, roughed up and jailed US citizens--primarily brown people--because. An ignorant foreigner such as yourself cannot erase those facts with hand waving. One of the guys that ProPublica profiled--a US Citizen and combat vetran--was dragged from his car, injured and detained for days because he "picked the wrong day to come to work." Another was detained TWICE in construction site raids because the ICE agents thought his RealID was fake. Brownshirts targeting brown people. This is Trump's America.

Hey, dumbfark, if you are capable of tracking even a basic conversation, it's pretty obvious. Yo claimed that ICE was not abducting US Citizens, when in fact it's a pretty common occurrence. There has been no period in which immigration laws were not upheld. There has been no period of "open borders." The laws just weren't sufficient--a deficiency that Trump ensured would remain by torpedoing bipartisan immigration reform so that he could campaign on the issue. As always, putting himself before the country.

Spoken like a child caught in a lie. Sure, its my fault for pointing out the truth, not your fault for blindly carrying Trump's water. 🙄 That's just the number ProPublica tracked down on their own. The government is not sharing information on their mistakes. Transparency would risk accountability, and Trumpco won't allow that possibility. The actions of the secret police must stay secret.