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Yes, a well-known but pointless bit of information. Their 'degrees' assuming they actually have them and haven't simply claimed them from one of the many degree mills in the corrupt lands they come from are often without much value here since any job that requires a degree also requires a high level of communication skills which they lack (because we don't properly enforce language requirements) or technical knowledge they were never taught in their fourth and fifth rate schools. Spare me. I've spent a good deal of time chatting with immigrants back in my younger, shitty-job days. Few of them have struck me as particularly impressive in terms of their sophistication. They often seemed prone to conspiracy theories, especially concerning Jews and Americans. Well, given the level of corruption among politicians throughout the developing world I would wager they weren't very good at things else they'd have stayed there and gotten rich. Yeah, yeah, I've done plenty of shit jobs. And all of them were beneath me, tho I did them well. Some jobs are beneath intelligent, capable people. I don't argue young people should start at the bottom and work their way up to the best of their abilities, but easy, repetitive jobs that don't challenge you are clearly beneath you.

Perhaps, but they've always been a tiny part of the citizenry. Immigrants are so numerous they're eventually going to outnumber people born here. They already do in Toronto and are close to it in Vancouver. And we've had plenty of evidence of late that immigrants vote first for the party that will allow the most immigrants in and second according to the politics of their homelands. Canada's well-being places a distant third, if that on their priorities, especially as many of them have no intention of staying here.

I take my definition from information in an Immigration Canada report which pointed out all of the things I mentioned above. Too many, coming in too fast to absorb. By the way, only a fraction of immigrants must demonstrate any knowledge of English or French - and not to us, but to a foreign accredited school in their homeland. There is no interview to become a permanent resident, nor to become a citizen. The 'test' for the latter consists of 20 true/false or multiple choice questions which can be done over the internet. Which means the person doing it can easily cheat. https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-canada-struggling-to-absorb-immigrants-internal-report-says

Mass immigration means bringing in so many immigrants so quickly we are unable to integrate them and they start forming their own separate ethnic ghettos, not learning our language or ways, and carrying on their own culture as if they were back home. And immigration Canada has been warning that this is precisely what has been happening for the last ten years.

You say that often but I don't think you mean what you say. I believe you mean that yes, it's an immigration issue, but not the fault of the immigrants. With which I agree. I am not blaming the immigrants or the foreign workers or even the foreign student-workers. I'm blaming the politicians. Always. I have no issues with 'them'. I have issues with the government letting them or encouraging them to come here. We already have too many people earning insufficient incomes to be taxpayers under our progressive tax system. The more low-skilled people we bring over the more people whose healthcare i have to pay for and whose children's education I have to pay for. They haven't been for a decade now. It's only beneath you if you have skills. And we should be bringing in people who have skills. Most of what's done in fast food restaurants is going to wind up becoming automated anyway. What do we do with these unskilled people then?

Yes, too many. The numbers need to be cut down massively. Yeaaah, bullshit. I have no doubt there are lots of good, eager-to-work immigrants. Never suggested otherwise. I said we do not want temporary foreign workers here, even if they call themselves students. But there are also miserable, shitty foreign workers here, and immigrants, too, not to mention refugees (migrants) We don't screen properly so we get both good and terrible. Indians working in fast food? Forget it. Terrible hygiene. Chinese are even worse. Many also have quite different standards in relation to ripping off customers any chance they get. Fraud is skyrocketing. And for all your praising of eager-to-work immigrants the public housing projects and prisons are full of them too. I don't care if YOU would be better off. I care about whether CANADA would be better off. Nobody with intelligence really wants to work at a fast food place. It's a shitty, low paying job. It's something kids do to learn what working is like, and why they need to finish high school and go to college and improve their skills. So they never have to work at a place like that again. And if we're bringing in actual immigrants who are eager and happy to work there then we're bringing in the wrong immigrants.

It's a service industry, and mostly for disposable income. That income will be spent on something else. If people want to eat, they'll find somewhere else. The supplies will be sold to another business. If prices have to rise and we have half as many fast-food restaurants, well, that's not something that's going to negatively impact the country. We will not be eating less food or spending less money because of it. It's not a skillset. It's an unskilled set. And you'll just have to find the people. They're here. They just prefer to work elsewhere. You'll have to make the job more attractive or find a technology to do it with fewer staff. We have a standard of living in this country that would plummet if we simply agreed to import anyone from anywhere who agreed to do the job for lower wages.

Yeah, I would make that illegal. So would most Canadians. We don't want employers being able to bring in labour from outside Canada except in exceptional and limited circumstances. Nor do we need them. I don't expect to convince employers to want to hire Canadians over cheap, biddable foreign labour. I expect the government which represents Canadians to simply forbid it as being not in the nation's interests. Is that what you call it? I'm sorry, but i disagree. Figuring out how to get more out of fewer people, using better methodologies, more technology, that is the way you expand production. Not hiring foreign migrants. You have to understand that nothing you do is important to this country and its economy. The only use your entire industry serves is in employing Canadians. If you're not going to do that then you serve no purpose whatsoever.

Again, you need to read what I wrote. I don't mean read things into it, but simply what I stated.

One minute with the Mogg, demonstrating how things in the UK are becoming so similar to Canada.

Well, why wouldn't he? He's been running his government just like Wynne for the last several years, after all. I"m not sure if he's hoping Trudeau appoints him to the senate eventually, or if he's angling to jump to federal politics and get into the Liberal cabinet.

You need to read what I write more carefully.

No. This is not an 'unintended consequence'. It is how Capitalism works. If there is a shortage of workers you have to keep increasing pay until you can find them, or find a way to use fewer workers. If this means increasing what you charge, so be it. All others in your industry will have to do the same. This means, naturally, fewer people will want the product from this industry. Some of the companies in your industry will have to go out of business. These will be the less efficient, less capable ones. An equilibrium will be reached where the industry can find enough workers to produce the goods for a sufficient number of buyers.

You cannot use this as an all-encompassing statement on south Asian workers. The ones at an A&W I went to a few weeks back were so bad, so slow, so surly, the food so lukewarm and badly done I would never go there again. Another A&W I went to had two white kids, an older Chinese man, and a black girl. Fast, friendly service and good, hot food.

I understand that employers want the best for the least That is why there are labour laws. Because society is not made better by letting employers do whatever they want. I do not believe that all Canadian youth are as you describe. I know some of them and they are most definitely not like that at all. You just have to find them. It's better for society that way.

Anything you get money for is work.

Why do I see none? Why do my friends, who have teenage/early twenties kids looking for work see none?

I have a question. If you're paying so much more than other McDonald - and presumably other Tim Hortons/Harveys/Burger King/A&W, with better benefits, how is it they found workers and you could not?

Everyone needs a job. Unless they're from a rich family or the government will support them. There aren't that many rich families, and none of their children are looking for unskilled labour jobs. So if people won't take those low level jobs it suggest they're getting money from the government, or their parents continue to support their lazy asses. I don't know what the rules are now. When I was much younger, if you said you couldn't get a job and applied for pogey they would check their records and send you to job interviews. They would also follow up with the interviews to see if you had showed up and had tried to get the job. If it seemed like you'd deliberately blown the interview you got no benefits. If we actually have a shortage of workers then Capitalism says it's up to employers to fight it out and lure employees with better wages and benefits. And not every employer will find the employees needed and will have to shut down. Such is life. Creative destruction guides employees and investment to higher productivity jobs. No need for floods of immigrants and foreign workers.

I've never had any doubts about just what a horrible place Russia is, or just how awful its government is. I think what took me by surprise in this article was the sheer massive effort, the cost, of monitoring and punishing people on the slightest pretext. It's mind-boggling to imagine how many people the state must employ for this kind of thing. And even worse when you think about China, and how much MORE effort they put into it. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7v5rn8jr82o

A simple dismissal of the justification for bringing in huge numbers of immigrants. Ageing and population stabilization are the outcomes of a demographic trend toward longer life spans and fewer children which started in the 18th century. It will result in a much higher proportion of older people in the population than ever before in human history. We’ll deal with the many benefits of this below but first it is vital to point out that the only way to “fight” ageing is to have the population grow at an increasing level FOREVER. Hardly a winning strategy on a finite and depleting planet. Using extreme levels of immigration to hold back ageing has been a mainstay of the investment bank/developer-owned media for years. In fact, their implication is that this is a fix and a further implication is that once “fixed” ageing will cease to be an issue. Nothing could be further from the truth. There is no scientific basis for the media contention that fighting ageing is a one-time battle which can be won and then walked away from. A stable population brings a higher proportion of older people. Period. https://sustainablesociety.com/the-sheer-idiocy-of-fighting-ageing/

Time tested? What the hell are you even talking about? Our immigration was about 86k until the mid 1980s when Mulroney was convinced immigrants would become lifelong Tories if he let them in. He increased immigration to about 225k. It never rose much above that until Trudeau got in. And even at that level it was too high for us to integrate, as a report from Immigration Canada back in 2017 demonstrated. https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-canada-struggling-to-absorb-immigrants-internal-report-says

There is benefit in isolated industries like agriculture, and perhaps fish processing. Also for the odd highly skilled individuals. There is none for unskilled labour unless your own citizenry are all involved in much better-paying jobs. You get that the situation is way different in just the last five to ten years, right?

I'm as anti Trudeau as the next guy but this has been going on for years. And the provinces are just as guilty. They could forbid this or cut down on the numbers and they won't.

Medical schools claim they're training doctors as fast as they can, but what they won't point out is half their students are foreigners sponsored by their governments, most of them oil rich, who are contractually required to go back home after their training is over. Meanwhile, many hundreds of Canadian applicants are turned down despite meeting the requirements to train as doctors. https://dominionreview.ca/feds-allow-medical-schools-to-train-foreign-doctors-while-canadian-doctors-are-turned-away/