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https://www.cnn.com/cnn/2024/12/13/us/duke-lacrosse-accusations-crystal-mangum Remember the Obama administration used this in developing article 9 which lowered the bar or burden of proof and required a bunch of woke quackery to be developed on uni compasses.

RE The FedsurrectionI Listening to commentary, I believe it's worth looking into exactly what role the feds of all agencies played in J6. The paid informants broke federal law. They don't work directly with the FBI but still recieve funding from them. It's basically the same model of the government hiring a contractor to fix a road. Government contractors shouldn't be breaking federal laws There's no transparency therefore people fill in the gaps. Usually where there's smoke there's fire.

I don't understand your question. Are you suggesting that many, especially in conservative media, have not called this a "fedsurrection"? I've already outlined what I find sketchy about utilizing third party paid informants to skirt around constitutional rights. I haven't seen you debate the appropriateness of this method. Rather get stuck on words (which I've already corrected for the purpose of moving along the conversation).. this is basically the "wiretapping" conversation from a year ago and is a red herring

Misleading. As I've already pointed out, it's a contrast between the two sides in the public discourse on the matter.

Or just a simple mistake. I'm not up to date on all the lingo. Regardless, there's probably some form of contract with the FBI. Who are paid in some form Entrapment laws as one example.

It is semantics actually. By all appearances, the FBI is subcontracting out their work. By doing so, this makes these folks a non-government entity and in and of itself is a workaround of certain constitutional protections. Realistically, any evidence these informants captured during their illegal entrance into the Capitol would not be allowed in prosecutions. But because private investigators don't have to play by the same constitutional rules, then this allows the FBI to violate rights of people indirectly.

Actually, I started the thread with the two opposite narratives or understandings of the events on J6.

No, but that's the splitting hairs nonsense that you and others in this thread have been doing as Nationalist was stating above. Even just a month ago people were claiming that FBI informants in the crowd was a "conspiracy theory".

Seems to be the way of government. Someone else can do their dirty work while they claim "I knew nothing".

Exactly. The Democrats and Bush/Cheney Republicans tried to spin a narrative to regain control after being disrupted by the MAGA years. My guess is now that there's more and more MAGA loyalists you'll start to see cracks in the narrative. My theory and gut tells me that this and the CN smear were used to surveil conservatives as well as Christian groups and my guess is based on the chatter among MAGA Republicans you'll start to see that evidence in unredacted

I see the methods used by the American law enforcement to be suspect and congress has weaponized it for their own political purposes. I guess if you want your country to look like a third world shit show where you can break laws to gather intelligence than I can't help you. They tossed the book at people for walking around their own Capitol building and held people without even a bail hearing for 3 or 4 years. Sorry but that's a Crooked system and a perversion of just treatment of prisoners. If any other country did the same the us would be crying about sanctions.

Correction. Sources. Doesn't make it any better.

You can't be serious?

Entering a restricted area is illegal activity and people are sitting in jail cells for it. In fact the vast majority of J6 defendants are up on those non-violent charges. That's the point 4 entered the building. Duh

"We determined that of the 26 CHSs who were in DC on January 6 in connection with the events of January 6, 4 entered the Capitol during the riot; an additional 13 entered the restricted area around the Capitol, which was a security perimeter established in preparation for the January 6 Electoral Certification; and 9 neither entered a restricted area nor entered the Capitol or otherwise engaged in illegal activity" 17 FBI agents entered restricted areas without authorization. There are old ladies sitting in a prison cell for prayer inside the Capitol building. I would guess this report is going to allow the Trump administration to toss many of these cases and you'll see maybe a handful of people charged for breaking windows or whatever but it won't be the staggering number that was used to place various figures on watch lists, etc. My guess is this is only the tip of the iceberg. Been fed a bag of lies by Liz Cheney and Adam Schiff about what actually happened

If they had no authorization to enter into restricted zones then what were they doing in there anyway?

Conspiracy theory or conspiracy reality? I lean toward conspiracy reality

Multiple FBI agents breached the Capitol without authorization and were not even authorized to be at the J6 event https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doj-ig-reveals-number-fbi-confidential-sources-ground-during-jan-6 Crazy

^^^ this is just left wing babble.

Yes. All that "Christian Nationalist" talk was just cover for the fbi to spy. They likely get the IRS after the US churches to make sure they have filed the right form for the toilet paper and coffee pods for a Sunday morning. Democrats are truly sick individuals It's a made up word to justify FBI spying on Christians and probably the IRS to create a narrative for an election cycle

"Also included in the memo was a list of Catholic organizations that are defined as hate groups by civil rights advocates the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC)." From your article. That's the playbook run by the left wing. Get the SPLC to label something a hate group, run FBI surveillance in to collect dirt, probably leak half truths and truths by omission to the press to not only justify the behavior of the FBI but also used to spin narratives during election cycles. Rinse and repeat. Did it to the SBC but turns out the woke head was cozying up to Barry

Sleepy Joe let the cat out of the bag with his unhinged State of the Union speech stating they were going to take down "Christian nationalists". In this case, apparently these perverts were peeping on the Catholics but I wouldn't doubt if they've targeted conservative evangelicals with malicious spying. Very sick people

US Senato Josh Hawley is stating the FBI spied on churches. Biden is a very sick peeping Tom individual. Sad

Crazy Marxists from BLM calling for racial violence against white people

Jury got it right. But one of those "the process was the punishment" things where the attorney uses the full force of the law, bankruptcy with legal fees, etc as a means of punishing people based on skin color