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I listed some of the proposals above.... so let's assume that I agree with you about Trump for the moment. How does anyone who does care about "the health of US democracy" argue against such things as showing ID at the polls (to prove who you are), making an effort (at the state level) to maintain accurate voter rolls, and only letting citizens of the country vote on the future direction of the country? In my view, this has nothing to do with Trump.... how does not doing these things even qualify as sanity? So... I got to wondering, how many countries actually allow non citizens and illegal aliens to vote in national elections? Note the caveats of those who do and the type of election they are allowed to participate in: Countries That Allow Non-Citizen Voting COUNTRY VOTING TYPE ELIGIBILITY CONDITIONS New Zealand Local elections, national referendums Permanent residents meeting specific criteria Uruguay National elections Foreigners with legal residency after three years Sweden Various levels (municipal, regional) Non-citizens contributing significantly via work or family ties Scotland Local and parliamentary elections EU nationals residing in Scotland

There's a new thread for ya. I don't know what the actual break down is but even in the absence of it I'm willing to bet that most draft dodgers were the progressive liberals of their generation.

Yes, it's buried in your neighbour's back yard. Get a flashlight, a shovel, and get to work. Then let us know how it all worked out for ya.

Inflamed, non specific nonsense from the usual purveyors. A 15 second search turns up that this is the meat of what MAGA fascists are proposing. I think there's a couple more but I don't have time to do all of your homework for ya: 1. Photo Id required. It seems that "you people' (as eyehole is fond of saying) scream racist in everyone's face at the drop of a hat but then feel justified in suggesting that black people are too stupid to have, or even obtain, government issued ID. Do you know any black people? Would you actually say that shi% to their face if you did? WTF is wrong with you? 2. Proof of citizenship. States will be required to verify the citizenship of registered voters on their rolls. If you're going to suggest that non citizens and people in the country illegally should vote in federal elections then start a new thread... most sensible people will disagree with you. It's bad enough that you do it in (some) local jurisdictions. That said, you might convince me to agree with your right to do stupid shi$ in your own house as long as you're willing to pay for it... but, national elections aren't your house; take your muddy boots off and behave. 3. Restrictions on voting methods - No universal, automatic, mass ballot mailings to all and sundry. Dead people shouldn't be voting. If you have a valid reason for an absentee ballot then cool. 4. Mandatory voter roll maintenance See 3 above because dead people shouldn't have ballots sent to them. There's a new thread for ya Herb, title it "MAGA Fascists Discriminate Against Dead Voters." If you don't want to show ID at the polling station then you're going to have to convince me that your voter registration rolls are scrupulously up to date. 5. Restrictions on ballot handling - Prohibits 3rd party ballot harvesting. Continuity in things like evidence and federal vote handling seems like a "no brainer" to me, thus the perfect thread for Robo to start. 6. Financial consequences for non compliance - States must share voter fraud information with federal authorities and will lose federal election funding if they fail to follow federal voting laws. Sounds like another "no brainer," flip a coin guys.

Lions and tigers and bears "oh my." https://nationalpost.com/opinion/david-clement-so-does-scrapping-ev-mandate-make-mark-carney-a-climate-change-denier This strikes me as a pretty epic 180 degree pivot without a whimper from supporters (right here) who defended 9 years of JT madness with insults and ridicule. Remember the inflamed rhetoric directed at Maple MAGA's? How is it that the moral high ground is now a fishing hole? I'm not talking about the decision itself here, simply wondering how it's possible to pivot so far so fast after hurling so much venom and insults for so long? Trying to sell this as pragmatism and good politics, as opposed to hypocrisy on steroids must be thirsty work. Those liberal spin hook kicks are truly a force of nature... I stand in awe.

And if Canadians decide to welcome them as refugees they just might. I'd start by clearing out the mental institutions to see how it worked... the main problem with that is it would bolster the ranks of liberal voters in Canada.

Your absolute certainty got me curious so I took the liberty of asking an AI bot... which was head and shoulders more polite than your a$$ BTW: So, is the bot right? Actually I don't know for sure but it makes sense to me as I live in a farming community and have previously worked in the industry. BTW, the effect of last year's drought and educed yields / quality won't be heavily felt by producers until the next growing season commences. Some of the folks I know will be hard pressed to survive two such seasons in a row should this year go as badly. Primary Factors Driving Food Inflation FACTOR DESCRIPTION Economic Policies Domestic policy failures, including regulatory drag and rising compliance costs, play a significant role. Import Costs Rising costs due to import tariffs and a weak Canadian dollar have exacerbated food prices. Geopolitical Issues Global supply pressures, including the war in Ukraine, have impacted availability and prices of key food products. Climate Impacts Weather-related issues, such as droughts, have affected agricultural yields, particularly in cattle and grain. Distribution Challenges Infrastructure shortcomings, including poor logistics and transportation inefficiencies, have increased costs.

And in another thread, people are considering the relative merits of obtaining nuclear weapons. A pretty big leap IMO but so is considering fleeing felons (from the US) to be refugees simply because you agree with their politics.

https://www.rebelnews.com/open_your_eyes_swedish_leader_warns_west_is_asleep_to_islam 22% in Swedish polls and rising... and it's based on lived experience and objective reality. It's experience that sways opinion / behaviour and experience is always based on lessons provided by inexperience. That lived experience was always out there, but in limited quantities. It's been whispering words of caution into deaf progressive ears for years now and people are starting to listen. But, I'd urge the same caution in equal and opposite measure to the cautions that progressives previously ignored... along with a heightened level of attention comes the risk of over reaction based on fear. Progressives don't like the new ICE... but the new ICE is a product of their own creation. The fact that 1 in 5 Swedes is now concerned enough to change their vote is telling, it will also prove to be contagious as that concern changes to fear. And that's what's going to happen. The decisions ultimately made by scared people are usually as ill advised as those of the people who scared them in the first place. See-saw amplitude will increase, positions will become polarized, and the political centre will suffocate. Suddenly, no one is left to call out the bad behaviour of both sides with anything remotely close to integrity. Invariably, scared people make poor decisions under pressure, and poor decisions always come with unintended consequences.... most of them bad. The final rhetorical question from those who consistently urged caution from the get go is always: WTF did you think was going to happen?"

My second favourite, and always a procurement staple is: "Canada doesn't need ________" Anyway, thanks for the quote above, I've been laughing my way through some of the posts here thinking the same thing. Elbows up eh? At last... I can finally type that ubiquitous "LOL" thingy and actual mean it. Here's a Boomer training session... they'll be manning (oops "personing") the border to repel Trump's Raiders:

The email qualifies as the very definition of hearsay. You and the OP have called people here on the forum much worse and the only difference is that your name isn't attached to it. In my book, the cloak of anonymity makes that worse. As if that wasn't enough, the screen name of the OP serves only to further propel the selective outrage to stratospheric levels of partisan frivolity. IMO this is exactly why it was a bad idea to release these files publicly. As an aside, in the haste to get all of this to print some of the redactions were poorly done and can be electronically unmasked relatively easily. Not a good look for either side IMO...

Vehicle check points (VCPs) can get contentious even with authorized security personnel acting as an agent of the owner or under the lawful authority of things like DND trespass regulations. Illegal vehicle checkpoints (IVCPs) raise that bar considerably, especially when done in an accusatory manner with untrained progressives armed only with progressive attitudes; a first class bad idea (IMO) even if you don't like how ICE is conducting business. Even so, defenders will defend these actions based on little more than narrative and circumstance but just imagine the noise had participants in the trucker protest done stuff like this. This is a potential flashpoint for interactions many of these folks are (likely) ill prepared for. https://www.foxnews.com/us/anti-ice-minneapolis-agitators-set-up-checkpoint-track-federal-agents

HA HA HA. Loser Loser Loser LOL LOL LOL LMAO LMAO LMAO. How am I doing? What the liberals did to Canada is exactly what Harper said the liberals would do to Canada: - He predicted debt would explode - He warned of a massive influx of unscreened migration - His law designed to catch Liberal scandals caught a Liberal scandal - He was right about home mail delivery being unsustainable - He was right about UNRWA funding terrorism - Crime immediately spiked after his justice reforms were reversed - Liberal policies would increase gun violence - Restoration of the gun registry at point of sale Ya there's more but let me close with something cerebral HA HA HA. Loser Loser Loser LOL LOL LOL LMAO LMAO LMAO.

Would that be "often" in your vast experience with such things? Based on mine, I think you would be surprised at how much effort goes into avoiding collateral damage and mutual interference. But that's not what the thread is about, is it? I was looking for a simple answer to a simple MAID hypothetical as opposed to deflections... or long dissertations on the rules of ping-pong.

I asked first....

Easily the most telling (and obvious) part of the entire thread IMO. Assuming the poll (subject of the thread) is correct, it means that opinions have clearly changed and they've changed due to observable circumstances. It also means that the people who routinely predicted these circumstances, and who were ultimately proven correct, were not (are not and never were) racist. Not only were they right, they were right despite being soundly ridiculed and labeled racist xenophobes by the very people now represented in the poll itself; those who have since (by their own assessment of virtue) become the very xenophobes they once ridiculed. I'd call those profits of old courageous, they might even qualify as students of reality and seers of unintended consequence. So.... before someone sarcastically posts "HA HA HA.... so what's your point LOSER LMAO." The point is read the quote above whilst looking in the bathroom mirror because I have a question for ya: "WTF did you think was going to happen?"

You're currently gobbling up the swill you were repeatedly warned you would be dining on. Next up is the predictable reprisals that come with your own return to power, followed by a host of future reprisals (in kind) that will occur when you lose it... a return to the very things you currently lament. Mandatory military service, 3 foreign deployments, and gaining the perspective that goes with it prior to having a vote would solve 90% of the issues being discussed here... and no one will ever convince you of that.

I have an ethical hypothetical for you: Say my Uncle has terminal cancer, he has applied and been accepted for MAID, the "withdrawal of life" as they euphemistically refer to it is scheduled for 10 days hence in his own home. Say he phones me 5 days before his MAID is scheduled saying "hey buddy, I just can't make it another 5 days, I know you have a tappers licence and lots of experience humanely dispatching all manner of critters, it's nice day, I just want to sit by the lake at sunset sipping scotch and end it all.... it's raining steady for the next 4 days, I want to do this now... will you help me out? For the sake of discussion, and in order to make the scenario (above) more palatable to some, please feel free to assume that I'm an experienced veterinarian and my Uncles weight is roughly equivalent to that of large breed working dog. ------------------------------------------- I doubt there's a case on file like this yet but it may be coming... maybe we should think about it . Assuming I reluctantly follow through on his wishes (and for the record, I absolutely, positively wouldn't IRL) is it murder? Should I be incarcerated for manslaughter (at minimum)? And, can the system afford not to prosecute me? I don't think they can BTW, not to do so would create havoc. So... if you determine that it's murder when I do it, but not murder when the state does the same thing, I hope you can help me formulate a new definition of murder in the age of MAID. Please note that I used the most uncontroversial example I could think of for my hypothetical.... so now, please apply the same parameters to the unfortunate individual who is the subject of our thread and see if your opinion is different.

Every once in a while I briefly dive into the circumstances behind some of the inflamed rhetoric I read here, especially when cute spotted puppies threaten to bite. To that end, and for whatever it may be worth, I'll offer an opinion that I have absolutely no intention of defending beyond the mere stating of it... meaning I'm not going to roll with ya. Before looking at the videos I was intrigued by a few things that seemed off to me. Doesn’t mean they couldn’t happen, just that they meet my personal "WTF standard" of things that are off. They cause me to scratch my head and look a bit deeper... does the expected "monkey dance" look authentic and does the body language of the players ring true in a way that matches the stated motives or actual outcome. 1. First (and putting aside her initial reaction for the moment) there's the fact that she remained at the event after being sprayed. It’s the very definition of horrifically ill advised if you don’t know what the substance is. I’m surprised (dare I say shocked) that her CPP detail didn’t whisk her away moments after the attack despite protestations on her part to stay. 2. In one of the pictures I saw (before reviewing the video), the perpetrator had the best seat in the house to execute the attack without being intercepted. Possible, but thats now two things that stretch my credulity a bit and cause me to (perhaps cynically) anticipate the next point; 3. The perpetrator (apparently) had an extensive and well documented social media presence that supported Trump. I’d note that this guy went to a lot of effort and will likely pay a hefty price simply to deliver a few CCs of vinegar (in a weak sister manner BTW) in a very public forum. Ya, some passive aggressive types might do it that way but wouldn't you expect a bit more aggression on the part of a dedicated MAGA CHUD? To me, the selection of venue, weapon of choice and weak sister execution suggest more of an interest in publicity than anything in the way of real intent. If you are of sound mind and body, and actually wanted to hurt this lady, is this how you would do it? Before viewing the video I expected to see a version of the “monkey dance” in which body language credibly supported the idea of a prepared (and motivated) “predator” assaulting an unprepared (meaning horrified, shocked and surprised) prey. Instead of that reaction, it appeared to me that moments before the attack began she made direct eye contact with the perpetrator and nodded (albeit imperceptibly). Then (and hats off to her if the reaction is sincere), she barely flinched during the course of a surprise “predatory rush” at close quarters. The mans actions after spraying the vinegar (IMO) aren't in keeping with the level of aggression I expected either (excluding that of spotted puppies). He's backing away from the podium toward the "stage left" exit in a nonaggressive manner and into the open arms of security. It's worth noting that the military hires far better actors than this guy for training purposes. My initial thought (albeit a typically cynical one) was… “WOW, give me a Company of Airborne trained to the Omar standard and I’ll take over the entire continent of Africa.”

Agreed, as you admitted to earlier:

Always nice to see a persons personality reflected in the subject of their insults.

Maybe you should use a bit of that “heat” to cook up something other than sarcasm and weak sister analysis of history… it seems that staying in the “shadows” hasn’t provided you with much in the way of “bright” ideas. It was about the obvious need for less screen time and more effort into building it. If your only solution to the problems of today is a caustic examination of historical wrongs, then you better get that a$$ you keep laughing off reattached and into high gear. Stop wearing it on top of your shoulders... at least in public. And without so much as a whisper of disagreement with their abuses of power (and process), you have a "pretty good record" of propping up their minorities too. So far the shi% sandwiches you've been making don't warrant a thank you... we can only hope you make better time machines.

The people who said this would never happen will now defend it. Go.....

Cool... all that and a bag of chips eh? My blue hat is faded from long stays in sun kissed vacation spots so perhaps I'm a bit more cynical than most, but, this is the point where I usually ask how much time opinionated people (such as yourselves) have actually spent in Islamic countries. Para sailing in the Maldives doesn't count. I'm of the opinion that true Islam is generally incompatible with secular democracy. That said, I've run into some of the best and worst that humanity has to offer there. As a result, if you insist on large immigration efforts from these countries it might be wise to pay attention to security matters, avoid demographic concentrations, segregated communities and vertical warehousing... in general, take the time and spend the money to do it right. If you want to proceed I think it can be done, but it requires a moderate degree of common sense and caution. As was the case in Europe, that was absent... it didn't happen The results you're both screeching about are (IMO) the very definition of predictable... like it or not, that was (and remains) my point. IMO again, if you want to unfuc% the current situation you'l be needing eyeholes time machine or some of the draconian measures you were warned about.