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None of what I said was “furiously spinning nonsense” Just because the FACTS I presented don’t support the narrative you are pushing doesn’t mean you can pretend it’s “nonsense”. That’s the problem with debating you internet kooks you can’t debate honestly. NATO has Gripens. I never said US does. US has hundreds of 4th gen fighters

Simply repeating yourself doesn’t nullify the rebuttal you have already received on these arguments.

Posthaste: Recession, what recession? Canada's economy is doing better than it has in years by thismeasure GDP per person is once again on the rise ….Luckily, economists say there is more to a recession than just two quarters of negative growth — namely the 3 Ds — depth, duration and dispersion. This decline is not even close on depth — amounting to just 0.6 per cent annualized over the two quarters, “barely a scratch in GDP terms,” said Robert Kavcic, senior economist at BMO Capital Markets in a note. In the past three Canadians recessions, outside the pandemic, the average decline at the weakest point was 5.3 per cent. Nor is weakness widespread across the economy. The trade war has hit manufacturing, trade and real estate hard, but other sectors like finance, resources and health care are growing, said Kavcic. Though exports are down, domestic demand has been climbing, and consumer spending has continued to rise. Duration, he concedes, is getting close. The Canadian economy has been soft since the start of the trade war in early 2025, posting three negative quarters out of four. However, there is one key variable in this equation that should not be overlooked and when viewed through its lens paints a very different picture of Canada’s economy, say economists — population. Since the federal government cracked down on immigration after the post-pandemic boom, population has actually declined in Canada over the past two quarters. So while the overall GDP reading is slipping, GDP per person is on the rise, a welcome change from a few years back when the per capita measure was nose-diving. GDP per capita fell by almost 2.5 per cent in just over a year in 2022 and 2023, and plunged again in 2025, even as headline GDP was growing. The latest data showed GDP per person picked up by an annualized 0.9 per cent in the first quarter of 2026. “That’s a better outcome for how individual households experience the economic backdrop compared to, for example, the ostensibly respectable GDP increases in 2023/2024 that actually represented persistent declines on a per-capita basis,” said Janzen. Make no mistake, the Canadian economy remains fragile and faces more uncertainty in coming months as review of the Canada-United-States-Mexico Agreement gets underway. But as economists at National Bank of Canada said Friday: “We are not ready to bandy about the ‘R’ word, at least not yet.” https://financialpost.com/news/canada-recession-fears-overblown

Posthaste: Recession, what recession? Canada's economy is doing better than it has in years by this measure GDP per person is once again on the rise ….Luckily, economists say there is more to a recession than just two quarters of negative growth — namely the 3 Ds — depth, duration and dispersion. This decline is not even close on depth — amounting to just 0.6 per cent annualized over the two quarters, “barely a scratch in GDP terms,” said Robert Kavcic, senior economist at BMO Capital Markets in a note. In the past three Canadians recessions, outside the pandemic, the average decline at the weakest point was 5.3 per cent. Nor is weakness widespread across the economy. The trade war has hit manufacturing, trade and real estate hard, but other sectors like finance, resources and health care are growing, said Kavcic. Though exports are down, domestic demand has been climbing, and consumer spending has continued to rise. Duration, he concedes, is getting close. The Canadian economy has been soft since the start of the trade war in early 2025, posting three negative quarters out of four. However, there is one key variable in this equation that should not be overlooked and when viewed through its lens paints a very different picture of Canada’s economy, say economists — population. Since the federal government cracked down on immigration after the post-pandemic boom, population has actually declined in Canada over the past two quarters. So while the overall GDP reading is slipping, GDP per person is on the rise, a welcome change from a few years back when the per capita measure was nose-diving. GDP per capita fell by almost 2.5 per cent in just over a year in 2022 and 2023, and plunged again in 2025, even as headline GDP was growing. The latest data showed GDP per person picked up by an annualized 0.9 per cent in the first quarter of 2026. “That’s a better outcome for how individual households experience the economic backdrop compared to, for example, the ostensibly respectable GDP increases in 2023/2024 that actually represented persistent declines on a per-capita basis,” said Janzen. Make no mistake, the Canadian economy remains fragile and faces more uncertainty in coming months as review of the Canada-United-States-Mexico Agreement gets underway. But as economists at National Bank of Canada said Friday: “We are not ready to bandy about the ‘R’ word, at least not yet.” https://financialpost.com/news/canada-recession-fears-overblown

Students are not counted in the labour force though, that’s what matters. What they might have eventually done in the future if they had stayed in Canada is also not counted in current statistics Growing the economy by the growing the population is of course the whole point of immigration it is not an evil plot to hide anything. The Trudeau immigration plan shows there are limits to this however. Just lole children need to eat to grow and be healthy but if you feed them too much they get fat. The Trudeau government was just not sophisticated enough to pull it off. Before the Trudeau immigration the 3 fastest growing age demographics were all over 50. and the Trudeau policy changed 2 of those to under 40 but they were students or working lower wage jobs. Now the population is actually shrinking because of the immigration crackdown contrary to your claim and overall GDP is shrinking partially due to that along the Trumpflation and tariffs. What’s funny is that when immigrants were technically growing the economy you were quick to point out that GDP growth doesn’t matter and GDP PER CAPITA matters. But now that GDP capita is up you claim the exact opposite: that GDP per capita doesn’t matter its the “technical recession” because GDP “technically” shrank by a fraction of a percentage.

Lol i don’t think any of that is true or makes sense. Other than the obvious that importing STUDENTS doesn’t immediately contribute to the labour for or birth rates it does over time.

Wow it declined by a fraction of a percentage point overall and primarily occurring in industries under attack by the mad king of the world’s most powerful economyor dependent upon inputs made more expensive by the mad king’s unnecessary war of choice, while productivity is actually increasing in other sectors

Quebec aluminum smelters more resilient than expected despite U.S. tariffs “A major aluminum association in Canada says the impact of U.S. tariffs on the industry has been less dire than expected. Jean Simard, president and CEO of the Aluminum Association of Canada, says the industry is operating at 95 per cent capacity. “No slowdown, no layoffs," Simard said in an interview with The Canadian Press on Thursday about the effect of 50 per cent U.S. tariffs on aluminum. “It’s less painful than we anticipated," Simard said. "The problem, fundamentally, is the lack of visibility into the future. We’re in a world of total uncertainty." Simard, whose association represents Alcoa, Alouette, and Rio Tinto, said there is concern about the outcome of talks to renew the continent's free-trade agreement. On June 4, 2025, the Trump administration raised tariffs on aluminum and steel imports from 25 per cent to 50 per cent. The impact was felt most acutely during the first few months after the new rate took effect. Canadian producers initially took a hit, as U.S. customers refused to absorb the price increase caused by the tariff. “In Canada, we lost a lot of money. We lost nearly US$600 million over the next seven to eight weeks because we ” Excerpt From “Quebec aluminum smelters more resilient than expected despite U.S. tariffs” Frédéric Lacroix-Couture The Canadian Press https://apple.news/AzkA6AKxlRkW-Ue11SpAmcA This material may be protected by copyright.

Yep this was reported before although there’s some disagreement about the yelling part there are awkward and tense exchanges. With Carney, Men have to wear ties and black shoes to meetings, tardiness is unacceptable. “He doesn’t “suffer fools”. When it’s your turn to speak on a topic “you had better be prepared with the facts and arguments because Carney always is”. …interesting this something we heard specifically about Kamala Harris and Anita Anand BTW. Criticism and disagreement is welcome only if it is accompanied by facts and is constructive with alternative proposals - otherwise it is unwelcome complaining and whining and will be treated as such. But this is more about Carney lacking soft skills rather than “Trump the dictator” or Poillievre’s toxic workplace. Trump is an incompetent mad king who surrounds himself with incompetent sycophants. Carney by contrast has no patience for incompetence. He is an elite performer who expects others around him to be also. And unfortunately in politics many/most people you have to work with are better at schmoozing than managing. Poilievre is more about grudge-collecting vindictiveness and petty revenge over perceived slights from party members especially with that nasty little piece of work Jenny Bynre whom PP finally had the sense to jettison after she alienated so many potential allies and supporters. But yeah the Trudeau days are over, as if you need more proof that “just like Justin” was BS. and as the articles state there’s limited patience in the liberal caucus now for the left flank holdouts who won’t “get with the new program”

And yet other countries currently manage mixed fighter fleets even with F35s and Canada has always had mixed fighter fleets historically prior to the cf-18 era. Gripen would not “severely complicate” anything 4th generation aircraft including Gripens are abundant in NATO and the US military and will still be for a while. Already being worked on “Frequently” is an exaggeration as the Global has good endurance. It can also use shorter runways than e7 so can operate from more northern airfields closer to the arctic Another exaggeration Globaleye can communicate and datalink with any aircraft in real time including F35. . Link 16 is the NATO standard. Granted it’s not as optimized as the new native datalink that f35 has and presumably US E7 will have but it’s not a showstopper if US refuses to allow Canadian Globaleyes to have the same link. USA still uses 4th generation fighters and F16s in NORAD FFS The military isn’t responsible for political sovereignty and keeping Canada from becoming a puppet state so naturally it’s not a concern for them. It is however the responsibility of the elected government, who also ultimately decides what costs are worthwhile or not.

Ottawa's mixed fleet of F-35s and Gripens could total more than 100 aircraft, sources say GlobalEye supply chain could be used for major Gripen project as negotiations continue The federal government is looking at expanding the military's fighter fleet beyond its original plan for 88 jets, according to industry and government sources. Negotiations are underway for the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) to acquire a larger mixed fleet of American-made Lockheed Martin F-35s and Saab Gripen-E fighters built in Canada, the sources said. Sources said the recently announced plan to buy the Swedish firm's GlobalEye surveillance aircraft was a "first step" in negotiations to partner on the Gripen project. But some in the military have strong reservations with the deal, as Ottawa remains adamant that military spending needs to boost Canada's tariff-battered industrial sector. According to various sources, the federal government would still be looking at a fleet of 72 to 88 F-35s, even if it moves forward with the Gripen. Several sources said Ottawa is exploring a purchase of 72 Gripens, which would create up to 9,000 jobs and be the largest defence industrial project in Canada. Saab is continuing to refine its business plan to build Gripen fighters in Canada, notably by using the supply chain that will be put in place for the GlobalEye production, sources said. "There could easily be a fleet of 140 aircraft," says a source with knowledge of discussions between Saab and Ottawa. CBC News granted confidentiality to several sources directly involved in the file to allow them to provide details on private discussions. … https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/f-35-gripen-saab-lockheed-martin-canadian-armed-forces-9.7225549?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email IMO this is the way to go

You mean “barrels of gasoline “? And during peak electricity demand they bust out the barrels and plug their laptops into them, right? Just a reminder Fox brought up “barrels of gasoline” because he didn’t understand what battery storage was as for or what gas plants were fueled by or how they recorded their fuel You tried to insert yourself into the argument by pretending “barrels of gasoline” is the same as underground storage and somehow helps the gas plants produce more electricity during peak times because their pipelines can’t produce fuel power…or something…you guys often don’t have a point when you argue you just try disagree with whatever was said last Now answer me, b1tch. And don’t you dare think you can keep me waiting like I keep you waiting on me.

A lot of those immigrants were students though so not in the labour force and even though offsetting the ageing population was the primary reason for throwing open the immigration door you people screamed and howled so much that the door has been slammed shut

“A Canadian leader in nuclear fusion comes home—with big plans to make power After a career of trying to solve the mysteries of nuclear fusion in the United States and Europe, Spencer Pitcher is coming home to Canada to try to build a commercial reactor that will change the world. And he’s bringing some friends with him. “I personally cannot bear the thought that the world’s moving, and Canada is going to end up buying its fusion reactors from other countries,” said Pitcher in a video interview from the south of France. He was packing up his life and preparing to move back to Toronto, where he was born and initially educated as an engineer.” “Talking Points Canada once had a national research effort pursuing nuclear fusion energy, but ceded to other countries amid budget cuts in the 1990s Now, its lucky advantage as a source of tritium and extensive ecosystem around more traditional fission energy—plus a dose of patriotic fervour—is helping bring home fusion researchers who made their careers abroad ” ““I’ve been giving lectures at the universities in southern Ontario, and my God, you should see the enthusiasm,” he said. Pitcher’s fellow founders are former colleagues at Princeton University in New Jersey: Amitava Bhattacharjee and Michael Zarnstorff. As professors with decades of academic work behind them—Bhattacharjee won a major physics award in 2022 for a lifetime of contributions and Zarnstorff was formerly the chief scientist at the Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory—they are perhaps not typical startup leaders. But their heft might have opened doors that a brasher, younger crew couldn’t have. Stellarex has agreements with pillars of the Canadian nuclear sector—like Canadian Nuclear Laboratories and Ontario Power Generation—to advance its fusion plans. In mid-May, Pitcher signed one with the U.K.’s Atomic Energy Authority.” “Tritium, a form of hydrogen with two neutrons in its nucleus instead of the usual zero, occurs in truly minuscule amounts in the upper atmosphere. The best artificial source of tritium happens to be Canadian-developed Candu nuclear fission reactors. (Fission reactors like Candus break unstable big atoms into smaller ones; fusion reactors combine unstable small atoms into bigger ones. If you start with the right kinds of atoms, either process can give off surplus energy.) “For most of the history of Candu, [tritium’s] been a damn pain in the rear, because it’s radioactive, it’s very elusive, it escapes, it diffuses through materials,” Pitcher said. Now, as one of the small atoms that’s most readily fused with another, it’s incredibly valuable. Canada has pursued fusion in fits and starts for decades. It had a national fusion program that built an experimental reactor near Montreal in the 1980s, and an effort called the Canadian Fusion Fuels Technology Project that aimed to turn Canadian tritium into a marketable commodity; both were cancelled in 1997.” … Excerpt From “A Canadian leader in nuclear fusion comes home—with big plans to make power” David Reevely The Logic https://apple.news/AfZMIyDIXSp2-lkhP1dZiDA This material may be protected by copyright.

You don’t know what you’re talking about. Do you know anything about ANY subject? You just make up and bullshit your way through every topic it’s pathetic. And as point of fact I didn’t post in “all caps”, just capitalized the key words that underscore your IGNORANCE.

1) Deficit: so what. Spending during tough time is what deficits are for. And our economy and infrastructure and military all need major transformation 2) Growth: it says specifically due to Trump tariffs not Carney and also says their worst case scenario model assumes they are permanent which not a given at all given how unpopular they are even with republicans and they are not politically sustainable in USA. FURTHERMORE we would still be the fastest growing economy in the G7 because everyone would be subjected to the tariffs and if we’re doing better than everyone else it is hard to can’t claim we are somehow failing

LOL you are so predictable. Let’s be clear that when we were in “technical recession” it was only because of one bad month in each quarter. Let’s also be clear that you said things were getting worse they’re actually getting better Lets also be clear that ONE MONTH wiping out 80% of YTD loses is good especially during the peaknof the Trumpflation economic crisis that the incompetent us president created with his unnecessary and reckless war of choice (Or what we hope is the peak it could always get worse l) LETS also be clear that the cause of the economic troubles dor Canada amd the entire world is that world’s most powerful economy is attacking our economy and the global economy so no matter how much you want to believe PP has magic powers that could have protected us it’s just not the case More of your bullshitting with NO EVIDENCE to support any of it as usual. I posted ACTUAL PROOF you just posted more of your made up and exaggerated BS. As usual.

The unqualified boss paramount put in charge to please Trump. So much for konservatives pretending they believe in freedom of speech

What a joke. Little tax credits did not incentivize home owners to suddenly spend thousands of dollars on unneeded home renovations and home renovations didn’t reduce GHG. THE NUMBERS DON’T LIE BUT YOU DO CHAT GPT: Here’s a clear Harper vs Trudeau (emissions) comparison using Canada’s actual national greenhouse gas trend. 🇨🇦 Canada GHG Emissions: Harper vs Trudeau 🟦 Under Stephen Harper (2006–2015) Stephen Harper 📊 Overall result Emissions: roughly flat to slightly down Change (approx): small decrease (~0–3%) over full period Pattern: plateau with ups and downs 🔍 Key drivers ⛽ Oil sands expansion (major upward pressure) 📉 2008–09 recession (temporary drop) 🏭 Efficiency gains partially offset growth elsewhere 🧠 Bottom line Emissions were stable, not structurally declining 🟩 Under Justin Trudeau (2015–present, to ~2024/25 trend) Justin Trudeau 📊 Overall result Emissions: modest decline overall, but not linear Change (2015 → latest available years): ~7–10% decrease from 2005 baseline range; smaller from 2015 baseline (~5–8% depending on year) 🔍 Key drivers ⚡ Coal phase-out in electricity (major structural reduction) 💡 Increased renewables (wind/solar/hydro stability) 🚗 Transport emissions still high (hard to reduce sector) ⛽ Oil & gas emissions still a major upward pressure 📉 Notable disruption 2020 COVID drop (temporary sharp reduction) Partial rebound after economic recovery 🧠 Bottom line Emissions show a real downward trend, but slower than climate targets require 🧠 The simplest interpretation Harper era: emissions = “plateau with oil sands growth offsetting gains” Trudeau era: emissions = “slow downward slope, driven mostly by electricity sector changes” ⚖️ Key reality most people miss Even under Trudeau: Canada is still above 2005 levels in many recent years depending on accounting method Most reductions come from power generation, not oil & gas So: The difference is not “down vs up” — it’s flat (Harper) vs slowly declining (Trudeau)

Canada adds 87,800 jobs, jobless rate down to 6.6%, beating May estimates OTTAWA, June 5 (Reuters) - Canada's economy added 87,800 jobs and the unemployment rate fell back to 6.6% ‌in May, data showed on Friday, defying widespread expectations and showing signs of some resilience despite signs of softer economic growth. This is the first month this year of job gains and helped wipe off almost 80% of all job losses posted since the year began. The last time the economy added a significant number of jobs was October last year, Statistics Canada said. The Reuters Inside Track newsletter is your essential guide during the World Cup.Sign up here. Analysts polled by Reuters had forecast the unemployment rate ⁠to hold at the six-month high level reached in April at 6.9% and had predicted net additions of 10,000 jobs in May. Canada's economy has weathered an onslaught of U.S. tariffs and trade uncertainty for more than 12 months, hitting some crucial sectors very hard and leading to job losses. It has also sucked hiring momentum and investments out from the broader economy. Its economy hit a technical recession - two consecutive quarters of economic contraction - at the end of the first quarter on an annualized basis. But economists have been divided on whether Canada was actually in recession as there have been no widespread job losses and some sectors have shown healthy growth. Statistics Canada said employment increased ‌in several ⁠industries such as construction which added a net of 26,800 jobs, information, culture and recreation which saw an addition of 19,300 jobs, transportation and warehousing which saw gains of 18,700 jobs and accommodation and food services which grew by 17,000 jobs. The wholesale and retail trade sector, which accounts for almost 14% of the total employed work force, posted job decline of 35,000 positions ⁠in May. Economists have said that the upcoming football World Cup, partly hosted by Canada, will also likely boost jobs in the months of June and July across some sectors. The job additions was fully concentrated in full-time jobs which saw a net addition of ⁠154,000 in May, reversing almost all of the first four months of net job losses in full-time work, StatsCan said, and added part-time employment fell by 66,200 in the month. Average hourly wages of permanent employees, a metric ⁠closely tracked by the Bank of Canada to gauge the rise in inflation expectations, grew 3.2% in May, a sharp decline from the 4.8% posted in April. The unemployment rate for youth declined 0.9 percentage points to 13.4%, StatsCan said, adding this was the first decline since January. https://www.reuters.com/business/world-at-work/canada-adds-87800-jobs-jobless-rate-down-66-beating-may-estimates-2026-06-05/

LMAO try telling that to Colbert or Kimmel. Konservative Kancel Kulture is so easily offended by anyone who makes a joke or negative comment about Trump or challenges his false narratives.

LMAO WRONG Once again your ABSOLUTE LACK OF KNOWLEDGE and WILLINGNESS TO TO SHAMELESSLY BULLSHIT on topics YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT is on full display. Seriously take a high school history class or something. The expression “bread and circuses” exists for a reason

No you are the one who said PP had “magic” ideas not me I am the one who told YOU there is no such thing as magic Thy didn’t steal any ideas It was the conservatives who stole from the Liberals You will recall it was the conservatives platform that came out weeks AFTER the liberals once they realized their negative campaign of “Just like Justin” wasn’t working and they needed to actually come up with some real ideas and it was THEY who ripped off the liberals. Yes Carney ended or adjusted some unpopular/ unsuccessful Trudeau policies but that is not “stealing” conservative ideas The May numbers are out and your claims have been debunked.

Ohhh so sorry to disappoint the little right wing shitstains who were cheering for Canada to fail just so they can “pwn the libs”. Once again their claims and predictions are exposed for the garbage that they are

Canada adds 87,800 jobs, jobless rate down to 6.6%, beating May estimates OTTAWA, June 5 (Reuters) - Canada's economy added 87,800 jobs and the unemployment rate fell back to 6.6% ‌in May, data showed on Friday, defying widespread expectations and showing signs of some resilience despite signs of softer economic growth. This is the first month this year of job gains and helped wipe off almost 80% of all job losses posted since the year began. The last time the economy added a significant number of jobs was October last year, Statistics Canada said. The Reuters Inside Track newsletter is your essential guide during the World Cup.Sign up here. Analysts polled by Reuters had forecast the unemployment rate ⁠to hold at the six-month high level reached in April at 6.9% and had predicted net additions of 10,000 jobs in May. Canada's economy has weathered an onslaught of U.S. tariffs and trade uncertainty for more than 12 months, hitting some crucial sectors very hard and leading to job losses. It has also sucked hiring momentum and investments out from the broader economy. Its economy hit a technical recession - two consecutive quarters of economic contraction - at the end of the first quarter on an annualized basis. But economists have been divided on whether Canada was actually in recession as there have been no widespread job losses and some sectors have shown healthy growth. Statistics Canada said employment increased ‌in several ⁠industries such as construction which added a net of 26,800 jobs, information, culture and recreation which saw an addition of 19,300 jobs, transportation and warehousing which saw gains of 18,700 jobs and accommodation and food services which grew by 17,000 jobs. The wholesale and retail trade sector, which accounts for almost 14% of the total employed work force, posted job decline of 35,000 positions ⁠in May. Economists have said that the upcoming football World Cup, partly hosted by Canada, will also likely boost jobs in the months of June and July across some sectors. The job additions was fully concentrated in full-time jobs which saw a net addition of ⁠154,000 in May, reversing almost all of the first four months of net job losses in full-time work, StatsCan said, and added part-time employment fell by 66,200 in the month. Average hourly wages of permanent employees, a metric ⁠closely tracked by the Bank of Canada to gauge the rise in inflation expectations, grew 3.2% in May, a sharp decline from the 4.8% posted in April. The unemployment rate for youth declined 0.9 percentage points to 13.4%, StatsCan said, adding this was the first decline since January. https://www.reuters.com/business/world-at-work/canada-adds-87800-jobs-jobless-rate-down-66-beating-may-estimates-2026-06-05/