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Looks like electronic warfare: jamming its communication or frying its circuits or blinding its sensors with laser. It looks like it’s a modular “system of systems” and reading between the lime it sounded like it can possibly be connected to kinetic weapons (ie guns).

C’mon. I’m pretty sure it doesn’t work so simply like that. The CP-140 has evolved a lot from the P-3 base model it’s highly unlikely we’d have all the requisite targeting hardware and software and our crews aren’t trained.

Oh here we go only republicans are entitled to write opinion pieces now… I there any right wing source (news or opinion) that is NOT “Emotionally charged language, skewing of facts, clearly one sided viewpoint, assumed motivations” ???? But it’s true Trump routinely and deliberately humiliates even his fellow Republican backers who share the stage with him. Its his way of ensuring and displaying dominance over his fellow Republicans to his adoring cored who eat it up.

Is the main threat submarines though? No threat from missile-bearing ships or other surface: land-based systems? And a helicopter can only carry 2 torpedoes so if it’s so hard to hit a sub why bother arming a ASW helicopter at all? CP-140s don’t have missiles either. The new P8s do, ….at least they do for our allies, with Canada y’never know. No doubt but we probably should have wanted more.

All I’m saying is that the lack of missiles leaves the helicopter less adequate now.

Assuming that’s true, MV Asterix and the future JSS would have space and it would give those ships a layer of protection. And the new CSC will also carry the NSM

More cult-like behaviour Trump’s humiliation of Tim Scott and Lindsey Graham is straight out of the authoritarian playbook Trump has used ritual humiliation to make the GOP his personal tool. Feb. 28, 2024, 6:00 AM EST Authoritarian politicians are fragile and insecure creatures, always looking over their shoulders to see who is after them. To build themselves up and deter potential challengers, they take others down in public, letting them know exactly where they stand. They apply this same vicious treatment even to their most loyal collaborators, so that no one ever feels safe and thus everyone continues to act in a slavish manner. Throughout history, such leaders have never lacked a steady supply of opportunists and profiteers who are all too willing to play this game, even to the detriment of their dignity. The Donald Trump-era GOP is the latest example. Trump has used ritual humiliation to make the GOP his personal tool, and the list of Republicans he has mocked publicly is long. In classic autocratic tradition, the more submissive Republican elites are with Trump — supporting him through impeachments, indictments and a coup attempt that sent them running for their lives — the more he openly scorns them, losing few opportunities to cut them down. Scott has been performing self-abasement spontaneously, likely to Trump’s delight. When Sen. Tim Scott, R-S.C., the former GOP presidential candidate, showed up at Trump’s victory rally after a January campaign stop in New Hampshire, he might have thought he would earn points. Instead, Trump scorned him: “Did you ever think [Haley] actually supported you, Tim?” a smirking Trump said, referring to Nikki Haley’s pledge to support Trump if he becomes the GOP nominee. “And you’re the senator of her state. ... You must really hate her,” Scott’s response? “I just love you,” he told Trump. … Trump. “That’s why he’s a great politician,” Trump declared with a self-satisfied smile. Since then, Scott has been performing self-abasement spontaneously, likely to Trump’s delight. “I’m far better encouraging and being excited and motivated for President Trump than I was for myself,” Scott said after voting in the South Carolina primary. And at the post-primary rally, he assured the audience that he would keep his speech short because “the longer I speak, the less you hear of him.” Scott might seem to win the award for bowing and scraping. But his fellow senator from South Carolina, Lindsey Graham, is giving him some stiff competition. Graham is forever paying for the sin of criticizing Trump in 2016. “If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed......and we will deserve it,” Graham tweeted in May 2016; he also called Trump “a race-baiting, xenophobic religious bigot.” Scholars use the term “hollowed out” to describe institutions that lose their independence in autocracies when they have been purged of anyone who is not loyal to the leader. But individuals who collaborate with authoritarians can end up hollowed out, too, bereft of their morals and their self-esteem. This is what has happened to Graham. Graham is a former military lawyer and national security hawk (including on Russia), but his main cause now seems to be defending Trump, to the point of reversing his view expressed after Jan. 6 that presidential conduct is subject to American law. Since that opinion clashed with Trump’s claim that he should have presidential immunity for everything and anything he has done, including inciting an insurrection, Graham’s opinion could not stand. Politicians who play the leader’s ritual humiliation game may think that if they show him enough public support, at the right moments, their past indiscretions will be forgotten. That is never the case. Even worse, the politician can find that he or she has become the enemy of the leader’s rabid followers, as well. Though Graham called Trump “the most qualified man to be president,” audience members booed him. That’s the situation of Graham, booed regularly at Trump rallies by MAGA members, including in his home state, as though all of his slavish behavior to Trump has meant nothing to them. At a July rally with Trump, Graham was jeered and calleda “traitor” by the crowd, prompting Trump to give him a halfhearted compliment (“he’s there when you need him”) while also promising the crowd he would get Graham “straightened up.” And lest there be any doubts that Trump intended this display of debasement, he pulled the same move after Saturday’s South Carolina primary. Though Graham called Trump “the most qualified man to be president,” audience members booed him. The former president, playing the enlightened despot, once again assured his minions that “I love him, he’s a good man.” More from MSNBC Daily Must reads from Today's list Scott may have mastered the philosophy of ritual humiliation — I am nothing, my leader is everything, and everyone should know it — but Graham’s journey provides the stuff of a morality tale.. https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-republican-party-humiliation-rcna140590

Became you are not intelligent enough to see that Your underdeveloped childlike mind only understands binary caricatures of cartoon evil villains and cartoon flawless heroes. The fact that we in Canada have 4 distinct left wing federal parties and only 1 right wing party is ample evidence variation. South of the border if you can’t tel the difference between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders you should be embarrassed. Vax conspiracies are a uniquely right wing feature most of society includes mainstream non-political people accept the safety and efficacy of vaccines. This is another example of this thread’s premise “the left must be a cult because they refuse to join our cult” It’s a fact the the Trump campaign met secretly with Russian government officials and intelligence to discuss the release of Hillary’s hacked emails and to discuss Trump administration non-interference in Ukraine. It also a fact that they then lied about it to authorities. To quote one of the ridiculous comments at the start of this theory, “that meets the dictionary definition” of collusion. Nobody ever said there was no collusion. The report said the White House obstructed an investigation into whether the collusion (which definitely happened) broke any laws. That’s just an outright lie it was extensively covered by “the mainstream media” who broke the story and Cuomo was widely criticized. Not that you would know from way down in your right wing crackpot propaganda bubble. We acknowledge it for what it is, and also for what it is not. It is not evidence of your deep state anti-Trump conspiracy BS None? Biden’s appeal to voters, his general fitness for office (or lack thereof) and his age are widely and frequently discussed.and debated by the Left. Get out of your propaganda hole. It’s hilarious because ever since Trump appeared in 2015 his supporters like can’t even bring yourself to disagree acknowledge even his minor mistakes or slips of the tongue. Remember when he altered a hurricane map with a sharpie and went on national TV instead of admit he accidentally tweeted the wrong state in the hurricane’s path? Or when 2 weeks into covid he said he would “overrule” any governor who didn’t reopen their state even though Presidents don’t have power over governors? You slaves fell all over yourselves trying to justify his every dumbness. Another of your lies from you clueless propaganda bubble. You find thenleft criticising Trudeau on just about any topic on just about any day. Meanwhile no conservative can ever bring themselves to criticize or question their Dear Leader du jour be it Tump or PP. Conservatives have always had an obsession with hierarchy, with a belief that every person and group has a place in a great pecking order and a duty to kiss the asses above them and kick the asses below them. I could go on with the rest of your batshit but this is tiring and time consuming and unlike you, my time is valuable…. to me and to other people also

Well I think there’s a lit about the multi-decade maritime helicopter program that is fair game for criticism even by us outsiders. Ironically I’m usually the one defending the helicopter (but not its procurement debacle). For countries that only jave ONE type of maritime helicopter, not have anti-ship or air-surface is a glaring omission IMO especially these days. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see that at its next upgrade/replacement

Leonardo to equip Canadian Armed Forces with counter-drone technology Leonardo Press Release | February 28, 2024 Estimated reading time 3 minutes, 30 seconds. Illustration courtesy of Leonardo Leonardo has been awarded a contract by Public Services and Procurement Canada (PSPC) to provide its Falcon Shield C-UAS system for operation by the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF). The company will provide a number of systems and a 10-year sustainment package that includes options for additional equipment and the spiral development of new capabilities. First systems will be delivered later this year to the CAF, which will immediately deploy Falcon Shield to forward operating bases to protect deployed personnel. Falcon Shield is the UK’s operationally proven solution to the growing threat from group 1 to 3 (smaller, slower, and lower flying) UAS, which are usually undetectable by conventional air surveillance equipment. Using a mix of advanced sensors from Leonardo and industry partners, the system rapidly detects, tracks, and prioritizes threats and gives operators the means to neutralize them effectively. Produced at Basildon and Southampton sites, Falcon Shield is in service with the UK’s Armed Forces, is trusted by close allies on operations, and is readily available for export customers worldwide. Leonardo continues to update Falcon Shield to ensure it remains cutting-edge in a rapidly evolving security landscape. For its UK Royal Air Force (RAF) customer, Leonardo has delivered seven complete baseline counter-drone systems (called ORCUS in RAF service) for the service’s ‘Synergia’ research and development programme. The RAF is also employing these systems as a national standby capability in support of the Emergency Services. In this role, the RAF has operated Leonardo counter-UAS technology during high-profile events including the 2021 G7 summit in Cornwall and Birmingham 2022 Commonwealth games. During Christmas 2018, Falcon Shield was deployed at both London Gatwick and Heathrow airports following suspected drone sightings, allowing air operations to resume. Leonardo has also been working with the United States Armed Forces as part of the ongoing collaboration between the UK and US on counter-drone research and development. Under this partnership, the company has integrated the US Air Force Research Laboratory (AFRL)’s NINJA technology into the RAF ORCUS system and demonstrated its ability to detect dozens of small drone platforms in the airspace around airbases and then mitigate them. Leonardo will be operating Falcon Shield at Canada’s ‘Counter Uncrewed Aerial Systems Sandbox 2024’ exercise, being held in Suffield, Alta., in June, where it will counter drones flown by the CAF’s “red team” operators. This press release was prepared and distributed by Leonardo.

Im not saying it has to carry missiles and torpedoes at the same time but it seems incredibly shortsighted to not have an anti-ship missile option… or any air-surface option beyond door guns really. A surface ship is a much greater threat to a helicopter than a submarine and even though it was designed for a world where counter- insurgents/counter-terrorist was the main threat, terrorists and insurgents are far more likely to be in surface vessels than submarines

So we can’t anti-ship missiles on a cyclone because we have no doctrine to employ them? Sounds like the solution for the new near-peer adversary threat environment would be to develop the doctrine not maintain the status quo.

Oh, darn. What a disappointment Why? I’ve provided ample evidence of why GOP is a cult where is the evidence that Dems are a cult? False. Republicans (many of whom don’t meet any definition of “conservative” want a one-party state which they rule with unchallenged lies and propaganda. That is why so many Republicans including you and Donald Trump openly admire outright dictators like Putin and authoritarian “democracy in name only” Orban. Republicans openly admire Putin’s warmongering and believe he should be able to wage war around the globe unchallenged. They also support war in the Middle East against any Arab or Muslims who don’t play ball. Meanwhile it is Republicans who want to control women’s bodies, the lives of same-sex couples, the books people can read and so on. Just liberals think corporations and things like pollution and consumer fraud (favourite pastimes of republicans) should be regulated doesn’t mean they want to “control everything”. Your choosing authoritarian dictatorship, which never leads to prosperity. Tour claim that the alternative is “human suffering” is just your made up BS. Of course it would seem that way to a cult follower. That’ aligns with the ACTUAL dictionary definition of a cult.

But what exactly are the Dems supposedly “blindly believing without any reason or evidence”? Whacked out conspiracies about covid, the election the deep state etc that have been fabricated by the right which the right believes without any reason or evidence. In other words, the premise of this thread is that our refusal to believe that you’re actually Napoleon and have been taken by aliens to the lost city of Atlantis proves we are insane since we don’t have “any reason or evidence” to prove your claims are untrue. It’s a bizarre inversion of logic that brainwashed Trump cultists can’t even perceive The entire MAGA movement s based on blindly believing people like Trump and Tucker Carlson without reason or evidence. Trump’s speeches are practically verbatim cult leader rhetoric implicitly our future is doomed without him, that he alone can save us. I mean Trump actually has an ad claiming he was chosen by God to be President it doesn’t get any more cultish than that He talks and act like a cult leader and his followers talk and act like cult followers So it’s hilarious that you claim “Democrats” (and by logic the rest of the world) are all in a cult simply because they “blindly and without reason” refuse to join your cult.

There’s nothing irrational about contempt for Trump, which far more common and far less unhinged than Trudeau Derangement Syndrome

The whole premise of this thread is beyond hilarious. Democrats must be a cult because they refuse to recognize the obvious truth that Trump is the messiah, and when reality conflicts with Trump or Republican propaganda Dems refuse to believe that reality has been manipulated by unseen conspiratorial forces. Then the circle jerk continues with another righty chirping in “yep that’s technically the dictionary definition” which of course it is mot. Refusing to join the very obvious Republican cult is not evidence that you are in a cult

So just to be clear you’re falling down a hole over this line from the OP? Where is Kirk or Owens or TPU Nazis? Dude your reading comprehension really sucks Stop and think about this for a second don’t make me explain it to you

You don’t know what the hell you’re even talking about. Byrd was not a nazi and you don’t know a single thing about him. You’ve seen lame Republican memes about his affiliations when he was as a southern youth in the 1940s (which he renounced and denounced for decades afterwards) that mislead you into thinking you know something. But you’re completely ignorant of the mam and his politics., which spans more than 60 years. You don’t wear it well at all you wear it like an unhinged Putin-supporting conspiracy crackpot. You have absolutely NO moral base you’re just filled with hatred and vileness Have you forgotten your Christmas message already? If you had even a drop of common sense you wouldn’t be such a gullible unquestioning sucker for all these absurd right wing conspiracies and obvious kremlin propaganda

What kind of range is needed for anti-ship missiles? Seems comparable to the Seahawk and Wildcat which both carry missiles

What you say is all factually true but at the same time the pattern never changes. US pretty much never buys major “foreign” aircraft or vehicle fleets, even when a US wrapper like Lockheed is put on them pledging to create US jobs etc. and people point out that the “American” company also makes components all over the worls. Even when those foreign companies win a competition suddenly there’s a glitch in the matrix and they end up losing. I don’t think it really comes down to jobs or where components are made it’s about how much the companies who own the US politicians will benefit Everyone knows that if you choose the “US1010” some of that money is going to Europe as it’s their design. If we assume Boeing and LM both have equal influence over politicians, but Boeing stands to benefit by a billion dollars while LM only benefits half that because the rest is going to Europe, I think politicians will gravitate to Boeing.

That’s always the question with the MAGAs. They have low intelligence generally and also low morals. They are easily fooled but also have no reservations about blatantly lying when they know they’re wrong.

I ) You are spouting your own fake news lies and opinions that you wish to be true amd calling anyone eho doesn’t agree with you a liar. Republicans have proven themselves to be nothing but a constant lie machine 2) Yeah kissing and hugging the flag is disrespectful which why you have never seen anyone else do it ever, not even the most over the top patriots God Bless the USA isn’t vulgar it’s just a hokey show tune even more notable because they didn’t bother to play the actual national anthem. 3) You are so dumb. It’s not “fake news” the article has phot and video of the Nazis there. But it shows how conservatives when confronted with the irrefutable facts and evidence just scream “fake news”. What hilarious is that your cult-addled uneducated brain thinks “CPAC called it fake news” is the same as saying “it was proven to be fake news” instead of the obvious which is CPAC is lying because they was caught red handed and gave their usual generic unoriginal denial

Wah wah you nazi apologist. You just don’t like your cult being being called out for what is. The Republican Party has basically become the Tatooine town in the first Star Wars movie , a magnet for every grifter and vile deplorable to n the country

YepI have no quarrel with the EH/AW 101. Lockheed was the wrapper on the Airbus MRTT too but I think everyone knows those aircraft aren’t “really” American.

The Russians snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. 2 years ago their invasion force had them on the outskirts of Kyiv, then their incompetence and corruption lead to that that loooong retreat which they still haven’t been able to reverse