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Batshit right-wing conspiracies about the MSM are exactly that The real problem with MSM is the commodification of news where news outlets are trying to attract and retain advertisers, shareholders and the audience instead of simply reporting the facts. This leads outlets to sensationalize and dramatize stories that in reality are not so sensational or dramatic and to issue editorial directions like what’s alleged in the OP

Hey genius: she said Trump partnered with Russia to influence her the American voters, not that there was massive election fraud and then launch into baseless lunacy like the Right did. Dude are you dense??? It was debunked by the fact that no evidence of criminal activity was found AFTER THREE YEARS OF THIS ACCUSATION circulating on right wing lunatic circles. and a reasonable accusation exists. People are legally allowed to submit ballots foe their immediate family members and a woman submits 3 ballots. You are hallucinating if you think that “proves” anything. Like a true totalitarian you demand proof of innocence even though there’s no proof of crime. You copied and pasted it in your own post, the original post on this thread. therefore you saiw it. Are you really trying to make us believe you created this thread with a copy-paste article you don’t even believe? Seriously you have no concept of what living in a democracy means. THE PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE is a cornerstone of democracy. It’s completely unsurprising that you have no concept of it. The absolute absence of any evidence of wrongdoing 3 YEARS AFTER THE FACT DESPITE ALL INVESTIGATIONS AND AUDITS means that by all definitions she is innocent. BTW contrary to your assertion, the opposite of saying someone is guilty is saying they are innocent, not your “we can never be sure”

Despite all their nonsense made up “groomer” and “pedo” conspiracies, whenever a politically active person or politician is confirmed to be an actual pedo and groomer, they’re almost always conservatives.

The ‘faith-based’ leader for Philly’s Moms for Liberty chapter is a registered sex offender Phillip Fisher Jr., a pastor and Republican ward leader who coordinates faith-based outreach for Philadelphia’s Moms For Liberty chapter, pleaded guilty in 2012 to a charge of aggravated sexual abuse. Chris BrennanNov. 20, 2023, 5:00 a.m. ET Phillip Fisher Jr., a Republican ward leader and pastor who coordinates faith-based outreach for Philadelphia's Moms For Liberty chapter, helps to run a mayoral townhall meeting in August.Read moreSteven M. Falk / Staff Photographer Phillip Fisher Jr. is a pastor and Republican ward leader who coordinates faith-based outreach for Philadelphia’s Moms for Liberty chapter. He’s also a registered sex offender, due to a 2012 felony conviction for aggravated sexual abuse of a 14-year-old boy when Fisher was 25. ..,. https://www.inquirer.com/politics/philadelphia/moms-for-liberty-philadelphia-pastor-sex-offender-20231120.html

If “socialism” is theft then all taxes are theft. You cannot opt out of having your taxes go to garbage collection and throw your trash in the street. You cannot opt out your taxes paying for road maintenance simply because you don’t own a car or from schools simply because you don’t have kids. And so on. Is that “theft”? Charities and “fathers” can’t come close to providing the necessities of life that’s why people live in cities and communities and formed countries in the first place. Leave it to a bible-thumper to take things to its absurd extreme conclusion.

He thinks Jesus was a spoiled billionaire who liked to grab’em by the p*ssy and shout “greed is good”. Jesus was being sarcastic when he said “it’s easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven “ and “sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven”.

Correction I don’t know how the word “doesn’t” got in there. Fixed. But the point is health care providers are not government bureaucracies. Also the health stats show health outcomes are better than the US system because there people can’t afford adequate private treatment

Its not fully accurate to say “Government funded bureaucracy” PROVIDES healthcare. Health care providers are private or non-profit. Doctors are private businesses who bill insurance for their services. The government bureaucracy is the health insurance, not the provider. Hospitals are more of a complex picture. They are privately run but organized and funded by government, which of course affects how they are run. .

To whit and hot off the press: the Harper government’s memorial to “the victims of communism” is riddled with Nazis. You see in WW2 the Nazis lost 75% of their military on the Russian front, technically making the Nazis also “victims of communism” The Harper conservatives will honour nazis killed by communists but not communists killed by Nazis even though in WE2 the Nazis were the enemy and the communists were the allies Victims of Communism memorial could damage Canada's reputation if Nazi collaborators included in those being honoured: documents The memorial is supposed to honour those who suffered under communism and will include a wall of remembrance. The Victims of Communism memorial to be unveiled in Ottawa next year has the potential to damage Canada’s reputation and cause tensions with foreign governments if Nazi collaborators are inadvertently honoured on the monument. The warnings from Canadian diplomats in 2021 foreshadow some of the criticism the federal government faced in September when MPs gave two standing ovations to a Ukrainian Canadian veteran who served in Hitler’s Waffen SS. That move was met with international ridicule and anger. The Victims of Communism memorial is supposed to honour those who suffered under communism and will include a wall of remembrance, which will allow 600 names of individuals, groups or events to be listed. But concerns have been raised by Jewish organizations that names of eastern Europeans who collaborated with the Nazis in the Holocaust have been put forward in an attempt to whitewash their past. Government officials have already identified some individuals who served with the Waffen SS among those names submitted, according to the federal documents obtained by this newspaper under the Access to Information law. Other alleged Nazi collaborators associated with the memorial have also been identified by the Department of Canadian Heritage, but the exact number is censored from the records. “It is important to note that many anti-communist and anti-Soviet advocates and fighters were also active Nazi collaborators, who committed documented massacres,” Global Affairs Canada officials warned their counterparts in Canadian Heritage. “We anticipate that the listing of names that are not thoroughly vetted and the result of a broad consensus could generate significant controversy both in Canada and abroad” the diplomats added. Private donations have already been made to the monument in the names of Nazi collaborators, the CBC reported in July 2021. Those include Roman Shukhevych, a Ukrainian nationalist whose troops murdered Jews and Poles, as well as Ante Pavelić who ran a Nazi puppet regime in Croatia and is considered a chief perpetrator of the Holocaust in the Balkans, the CBC noted….Ukrainians, Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians were recruited by the Nazis for use in various militias and police groups that helped round up and execute Jews, and those records are incomplete. “GAC is not in a position to assess or vet the names of foreign nationals from Eastern and Central Europe that are being proposed,” the diplomats warned. … https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/victims-of-communism-memorial-could-damage-canadas-reputation-if-nazi-collaborators-included-in-those-being-honoured-documents

False. “The democrat” conceded on election night and never alleged the election results were fraudulent. We know the Trump team had secret communications with the Russians to obtain the stolen emails they hacked from her and we know they lied about it, that’s a matter of record. The only question is whether what they did met the definition of any crime. The official finding of the investigation was that the investigation was obstructed by the Trump White House, the allegations were not “debunked”. It was debunked, period. Unlike in the collusion case nobody was caught lying or sneaking around or doing anything unusual. No evidence of any crime was presented, unlike Russian hacking of Hillary’s emails which is a crime regardless of whether Trump was involved or not. And no the posted fact check doesn’t say she may have breaking the law it says there’s no reason to believe she was breaking the law. Duhhh. When you said: CNN’s news cameras caught a masked woman in Ohio stuffing a ballot box on live TV during the 2020 Presidential Election, which CNN and other corporate media outlets claim was “safe and secure” and not riddled with unprecedented levels of fraud from both government officials and paid political hacks. CNN’s cameras were set up beside “the only ballot drop box in Cuyahoga County, Ohio” during early voting in the 2020 election, and captured a lone woman dumping a heaping handful of ballots that obviously belonged to a large group of people. There’s at least one massive problem with this entire situation, considering that ballot harvesting is ILLEGAL And then said: all they can say is we can't be SURE she's doing something illlegal. Which means we can't be sure she's not. So you’ve stated that you believe she’s guilty and then stated that she can’t be presumed innocent without evidence That is a hilarious statement! You are not a rational thinker you are a temperamental emotional thinker like all people who succumb to conspiracies. You are the one who gets your news from partisan propaganda websites like the one in this OP… the epitome of tribal echo chambers. I criticize Trudeau, liberals and Biden all the time while you and the rest of the righties are absolutely incapable of ever disagreeing with or criticizing republican or conservative parties. Its absolutely absurd that you would criticize me for the thing that absolutely defines you. …all because I didn’t fall for your obviously bogus 3yr old fake claim that’s already been taken down. Seriously dude take a real look in the mirror.

So basically you’re saying that every country currently in existence is socialist. Except maybe places like Somalia and Haiti. You’ve got it all wrong.

Then maybe you need to fo hack to grade 1 because I don’t think you know what you’re talking about. There’s no magic line where you cross over from freedom loving capitalist democracy to communist dictatorship just because you have a new public service or a new tax or a new regulation. Socialism refers to any number of economic models where industry and amassed wealth are *mostly* or even entirely owned by the state. Capitalism refers to any number of economic models where these are *mostly* privately owned and where the economy *mostly* operates according to market principles. Democracy is a system of selecting leaders and is not necessarily capitalist although in practice this tends to be the case with some notable exceptions There have been notable capitalist dictatorships such as Augusto Pinochet’s Chile Communism is a hypothetical future stateless utopia theorized by Karl Marx that has never existed and probably never will exist. What we call “Communist” countries is actually an oxymoron, as communism requires that there actually not be a country. These are actually authoritarian socialist countries that (claim to) aspire to someday achieve the future communist utopia

Sigh ……as I said YOUR claims about “socialism” are made up, including as an example your completely fabricated and false claim that “the left” admired or supported Hitler or that anyone in Hitler’s time considered Nazis to be on the left. The Nazis were considered far right then and they are considered far right now. So whatever secret definition of socialism you’re using is obviously wrong. Get it? A few thousand maybe. I guess you never learned about the “Business Coup plot” aka “Wall Street Putsch” of 1934. It’s not a surprise that you don’t find much reference to it in conservative circles. Luckily for you the History Channel’s documentary on it can be found on YouTube amd now that you know about it you can find out more about it in any number of credible sources it’s not some new revelation or recently revealed secret, its been a matter of public record since it happened in the ‘30s as you can tell by the apparent age of this documentary however it’s just something conservatives don’t like to talk about it WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Your “evidence” for your false claims is just more false claims with no evidence of their own. Meanwhile my next paragraph does have cites as I usually do provide them while you continue to provide ZERO in this thread. Once again you would be a much more effective online debater if you first read someone’s post all the way through before attempting line-by-line rebuttals. False you can’t just call whatever you feel like criticizing on any given day “socialism” and expect to be taken seriously. No you weren’t paying attention and you still aren’t. Furthermore it’s clear you know nothing about the Spanish Civil War. This is that trick we see you pull where you baselessly make stuff up out of thin air ……again. Hitler, Mussolini and Franco were far-right fascists who wanted to spread fascism across Europe and eradicate “socialism” . The trickle of foreign fighters who came to their side were all from known far-right groups. The much larger group of fighters supporting the democratic government were from left wing groups. Rather than support the democratic Spanish government, the capitalist western countries declared themselves neutral and imposed an arms embargo on Spain. It’s really cut and dried here. The US government also had an embargo on Spain and did NOT give or sell any planes or other weapons to the legitimate democratic government of Spain despite FDR and left leaning politicians being sympathetic to them. However in these pre-war years USA continued to sell military equipment and weapons to Hitler’s Germany and to Mussolini and allowed pro-fascist US companies like Ford and Texaco among others to supply various vehicles and supplies to the fascist side. Sure, and a piece of cardboard is healthy food depending on how you define healthy food. After all, they both contain fibre and many people complain that healthy food “tastes like cardboard”. What other evidence is needed?? Honestly a lot of people misuse the word socialism including people on the left like AOC. Most American democrats who are labeled “socialist” down there like Obama and both Clintons would have to run on a Conservative Party ticket if they wanted to be elected in Canada on the platform ls they presented It’s ironic most conservatives in Canada get outraged if you accuse them of not supporting Canadian public healthcare. Yet they ally themselves with Republicans who think even the idea of that is extreme communism. Lol nope! Literally NOT word for word out of Hitler’s mouth! There you go with another of your made -up claims again! If not please provide the quote from Hitler LOL I won’t hold my breath I said well regulated. You yourself once said on this forum that conservatives don’t believe in anarchy and support proper market regulation. What is the definition of “heavily regulated” anyway? What you think is just the right amount of regulation someone else will claim is too much and label you a “market socialist?” Socialism including “market socialism” means that the means of production (aka business) is primarily owned by the state. One example of market socialism would be all these Chinese companies who look and operate just like capitalist companies and sell their products in our stores except that their largest shareholder is the Chinese government. Capitalism is any system where the means of production and its profits are PRIMARILY privately owned and generally operate according to market principles such as supply and demand and competition among others. Capitalism doesn’t prohibit regulation of markets or social programs or taxes or the like. Nor is it a strict recipe that everyone around the world must follow exactly the same way or else they’re guilty of being “communist” “Marxist” “socialist” or whatever other insult conservatives feel like using.

You think having your garbage picked up, your roads paved and plowed, public sanitation, police fire and ambulance services, public education and hospitals makes us a Socialist Welfare State?

An example is literally in the next paragraph of mine that you quoted A minority perhaps but more than a few. Absolutely false. Where is your evidence? More absolute falsehoods You clearly weren’t paying attention. The organized groups leading a worldwide effort to send foreign volunteers to the Spanish civil war weren’t “various groups,” they were left wing groups, period. I’m sure there were some individuals there for adventure or perhaps some obscure groups fo some obscure niche cause but by and large the 35,000 foreign fighters who triedto defend the Spanish Republic democracy from the Nazi-backed fascist coup were left wing. They didn’t have any “weapons to teat” so I’m not sure what you’re referring to there. And the capitalist countries didn’t lift a finger or send a dime to support them because at the time many preferred fascists over socialists. “In her farewell address to what remained of the beleaguered International Brigades in 1938, the Spanish Republican leader Dolores Ibarruri, known as “La Pasionaria,” praisedthe foreign volunteers: “Communists, Socialists, Anarchists, Republicans—men of different colors, differing ideology, antagonistic religions, yet all profoundly loving liberty and justice, they came and offered themselves to us unconditionally… You are history. You are legend. You are the heroic example of democracy's solidarity and universality.” https://www.history.com/news/spanish-civil-war-foreign-nationals-volunteer# Just to add context to the above quote: it sounds strange in our time to hear someone state that communists are defending justice, liberty, democracy etc. but in the ‘20s ‘30s and even into the ‘40s prior to the cold war many people actually (and probably naively) believed that a communist democracy with more freedoms than capitalism was possible and there was even an actual “Communist Party” (not the CCF/NDP, actual Communists) with party members who were elected to public office in Canada, USA and Western Europe. But of course that was back before there was a large middle class and back when workers had few rights and most people in society were “sick, poor and ugly” as historians like to say. Once the majority of people could own homes and luxury goods, work rewarding jobs etc communism lost its appeal plus the cold war and increasing awareness of Stalin’s abuses But not everyone who is on “the left” was a communist or even a socialist. A desire for publicly funded programs and curbs on the exploration of workers, etc doesn’t derive from Marx or communism or socialism. Ancient Romans argued over these things. Marx coined the term “Communism” to describe a system that to this day has never existed on planet earth: a system where there are no longer any nation states and no governments, where people live in small communal groups something like an Israeli Kibutz or Amish/Mennonite communes and everyone has a say in how it is run and and an equal share in the community’s economic production. Nearly everyone in the western world who conservatives call “socialist” or “communist” or “Marxist” are in actuality capitalists who believe capitalism works best when it is well regulated and a when a base level of of public services are provided.

The 3-year old claim is debunked and no they didn’t “move the page” they took it down entirely. “Guilty until proven innocent” eh? For a self-proclaimed champion of freedom you sure have some authoritarian tendencies. The 2020 election was the most audited in history thanks to Republicans’ baseless lies. If this bogus story, which has been circulated on social media and Republican propaganda sites for 3 years, had any basis in fact it would have come to light by now. They know the date time and location of when those ballots were delivered and if fraudulent ballots were present it could have easily been verified. Hilariously, that exactly describes the Republicans’ baseless and fabricated election lies which came fast and furious after TRUMP LEGITIMATELY LOST, which have all been debunked one after another. And the Republicans involved are now facing professional discipline for gross misconduct, massive fines and possibly serious jail time.

Link is dead now. Looks like it was fake news from 2020 that was quickly debunked and then that right wing propagandist website took it down Social media posts misleadingly claim a CNN clip shows ballot fraud in Ohio CLAIM: A CNN broadcast captured an Ohio woman illegally placing multiple ballots into a drop box on Election Day. AP’S ASSESSMENT: Missing context. In the video, which is from Oct. 31, 2020, the woman appears to be placing at least three ballots in a drop box as CNN is filming. Election officials and government watchdog groups in Ohio say there’s nothing inherently illegal about placing that many ballots in the box. The only requirement is that the ballots all must be from family members. THE FACTS: As Ohio voters headed to the polls Tuesday for an off-year election, social media users shared a news clip they claim captures mail ballot fraud in action in the bellwether state. The CNN clip shows national correspondent Gary Tuchman standing in front of a ballot drop box in the parking lot of Cuyahoga County Board of Elections office while wearing a facemask. Other news As he’s speaking to the camera, a woman pulls up in a minivan and begins placing some of the papers she has in her hand into the ballot box. Tuchman jokingly asks if she voted for Ronald Regan or Jimmy Carter, to which she responds, “Carter.” “CNN accidentally caught a woman stuffing a ballot box,” the text over the brief clip reads. “Watch how quick they pan away when they realize what she’s doing.” “Nothing to see here folks,” wrote one Instagram user who shared the video. But there’s nothing to suggest the woman, who is not identified on the clip, was doing anything suspicious under state law, said local election officials and government watchdog groups. They say she’s holding at least three ballots, which is within her legal right to submit, so long as they’re from approved family members. The video also dates to 2020 and isn’t from the current election, as the posts seem to imply. Indeed CNN’s chyron running along the bottom of the video reads, “Trump, Biden vie for Ohio with 2.5M+ votes already cast,” showing it was from when then President Donald Trump lost his bid for re-election to Joe Biden. Anthony Perlatti, director of the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections, said the maroon-colored design of the state’s ballot return envelope can be readily seen on the paper she’s holding in her right hand and the two in her left hand. The other papers don’t appear to be ballots, he said. Ohio law permits people to hand in completed absentee, or mail, ballots for relatives, including their spouse, father, mother, father-in-law, mother-in-law, grandfather, grandmother, brother, sister, son, daughter, adopting parent, adopted child, stepparent, stepchild, uncle, aunt, nephew, or niece. Melanie Amato, a spokesperson for Ohio Secretary of State Frank LaRose, agreed that an individual dropping off two or three absentee ballots isn’t itself a crime. “Can’t say what is happening here, BUT she is not doing anything illegal IF she is returning ballots from family members,” she wrote in an email. Catherine Turcer, executive director of Common Cause Ohio, added that in 2020, while the coronavirus pandemic was at its peak, many Ohio residents opted to vote absentee with one person in a family or household dropping off the ballots. “I wouldn’t assume that the voter was doing something wrong,” she wrote in an email. “Voters drop off ballots for parents, adult children, and spouses.” Tom Sutton, a political science professor at Baldwin Wallace University in Berea, a Cleveland suburb, noted that state law doesn’t limit how many ballots from family members can be deposited at one time. A person could, theoretically, deliver one or more ballots for each of the 19 categories of family members listed under state law, he said. CNN spokesperson Emily Kuhn, meanwhile, confirmed the video was from the cable news network’s election coverage in 2020. But due to social distancing rules in effect at the time and the angle of his live shot, Tuchman didn’t see the woman putting anything into the box while live on air, she said. ___ This is part of AP’s effort to address widely shared misinformation, including work with outside companies and organizations to add factual context to misleading content that is circulating online. Learn more about fact-checking at AP. https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-election-ohio-ballots-voter-fraud-786464035733

Well I don’t think poor people pay the same as rich people to heat their homes because rich people almost certainly have much larger homes and are probably less likely to do things like turn down their thermostat when they leave the house etc. I don’t think we’re living under tax madness. Most people want the things that taxes pay for and just can’t understand the amount of tax dilapidated they consume. Every time you drive on a public street or walk on a public sidewalk you are benefiting from the services your taxes pay for. Then of course there are the schools and hospitals that you’ve surely used at some point, the 24-hour law enforcement that helps keep you safe, public sanitation, running water and sewage the list goes on. And of course the economy needs all of these things and more in order to function at a first world level You have NO idea how much it all costs to maintain so how can you possibly judge that we’re paying too much for it? Unless you’re among the richest classes you probably consume more tax dollars than you pay over lifetime That said I think there’s ample room to debate WHO is paying too much tax or not enough tax and what forms of tax should ideally be collected. B

No I’m saying your claims about socialism are made up. That is a perfect example your made up nonsense that literally is opposite of reality. Before WW2 many on the right such as Henry Ford and Charles Lindburgh were vocal Nazi sympathizers who celebrated Hitler as a brilliant industrialist who miraculously transformed the Weimar Republic and marvelling at innovations like the Hindenberg, which made many trips to USA before its famous accident. Hitler was even Time Magazine’s Man of the Year and George W Bush’s grandfather was an American banker for the Nazis. Meanwhile “the left” of the western capitalist world was volunteering to fight Hitler’s forces in the Spanish Civil War in which Hitler helped conservative dictator Franco seize power from the democratically elected left wing government. “The left” fought Hitler in Spain the same way westerners are flocking to fight Putin in Ukraine. Labour Unions and socialist organizations raised funds and volunteers with zero support or acknowledgement from their governments because at the time capitalist governments feared “socialists” and labour unions more than fascists. The Canadian volunteers were known as the “Mackenzie-Papineau Brigade”. You should read about it. That doesn’t mean right wing dictators and authoritarian regimes don’t exist. And how do you describe Scandinavian or even most European countries? Most are to the left of Canada. I mean do Canada is socialist just because the tax and regulatory scheme is not to your perfect liking how do you assess the rest of the non-USA western world?

Interesting story although it’s almost 2 years old now. I wonder what became of him. If you google his name there’s a similar story about him from 2016 over another case.

Ice Keeps CF-18s Grounded – Again November 18, 2023 Editor 0 http://canadianaviator.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/RCAF-CF-18-005.jpgMany Ottawans were disappointed when the flypast of four CF-18s scheduled for Remembrance Day ceremonies at the National War Memorial on Parliament Hill didn’t happen. The culprit, reportedly, was ice at their CFB Bagotville base. As Canada’s contribution to the defence of the North American continent as the northern partner in NORAD, one would think that something as quintessentially Canadian as ice would not prevent the Hornets from taking off. But you’d be mistaken. CFB Bagotville shares its runways and de-icing equipment with a civilian airport that serves the Saguenay region. As reported by the online news journal POLITICO Ottawa Playbook, each aircraft needed about 10 minutes to de-ice, and must then take off within 15 minutes or be de-iced again. Given that the CF-18s were to proceed to Ottawa in a four-plane formation, it seems logistics got a bit complicated, so the mission was scrubbed. “Kinda crummy,” 3 Wing Commander Colonel Colin Marks commented. CF-18s that are on standby for scrambling at short notice, such as to respond to NORAD missions, are reportedly kept in warm hangars. Marks, who has thousands of hours in CF-18s, said he’s only had to de-ice a couple of times. CF-18s from the only other facility in Canada where they are based, CFB Cold Lake, also had ice problems. Earlier this year Canada’s airspace was “invaded” by, at the time unidentified, flying objects. Cold Lake-based CF-18s were tasked with scrambling for an intercept. “They were delayed in departing Cold Lake because of freezing rain,” Chief of Defence Staff General Wayne Eyre told a House of Commons committee when asked to explain why it took American F-22s to take down what turned out to be a balloon. “I understand that the airstrip was a bit of a skating rink, as happens in northern Alberta.” https://canadianaviator.com/ice-keeps-cf-18s-grounded-again/

Nope. First Russia is not “blowing the hell out of them”. Second Russia is the one who has to sustain a military force outside of its borders while Ukrainians are on their home soil. Russian resources are not infinite it is haemorrhaging money, equipment and lives to maintain this stalemate which is slowly eroding in Ukraine’s favour.

You are perfectly describing your hero Putin and his allies China, North Korea, Iran, Syria and Hamas

New predictions of future stalemate don’t erase from history the nearly 2 years of failed predictions of victory

Seriously as usual you are just making sh*t up based on your uninformed made up definitions. If someone claims “Mexico is the capital of Paris! Prove me wrong!” I honestly don’t believe any of us need to expend an ounce of energy examining historical records proving that person wrong Similarly, it is matter of public record that fascists were always called “far right” back then as they are now. They always publicly declared themselves enemies of the left, enemies of socialism, enemies of Karl Marx and enemies any ideology that remotely resembled or sounded like socialism and they deliberately killed and jailed thousands for allegedly supporting “socialism” and they publicly stated that is why they were doing it. Its absolutely ridiculous that you would assume otherwise, it’s like pretending ISIS was a Jewish organization because of the many similarities shared between Islam and Judaism.