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Not sure what that refers to but just to recap Joly rightly said it’s wrong for Trump or any country to claim Canada as the 51st state. But not only did Dougie take issue with that (which would have been outrageous enough) but his choice of attack was to falsely accuse her of being a former stripper who was having sex with Trudeau as punishment for contradicting Trump’s insults. . It’s just beyond disgusting, a perfect example of the lows MAGAs sink to.

Thanks for confirming you have nothing intelligent to say or point to make, just more vile MAGA baseless insults smears and ignorance against anyone who dares disagree with your messiah You should be ashamed of yourself

I am not saying it was better than aegis and the original plan was to develop an evolved CMS330 for the CSC not to transplant the existing system from Halifax. As to why they want American kit well they ALWAYS want American kit “US interoperability” has been the unquestioned standard and too many Canadian military personnel look up to and idolize Americans as their cooler big brother. As you say nobody can press the future and it’s highly likely that Trumpism will outlast Trump, especially his belief in isolationism, now limited commitment to NATO, and aggressive foreign policy. It’s not like all the ill will he’s engendered among NATO is just going to magically disappear when he leaves office and nobody wants to be so dependent on a country they no longer have friendly relations with. I don’t think that’s easy to say, the next generation of drones or hypersonic missiles or electronic/cyber warfare could easily make a system vulnerable and require some new upgrade where the US could demand concessions on fresh water or critical minerals or the Northwest passage. I think we’re less likely to get bullied by a European country than USA Side note: I may be reading into things too much but we just had. French Nuclear attack submarine make an announced port call in Halifax which the government was very cryptic about, followed by Carney’s whirlwind bromance with Macron in France where they alluded to closer military ties followed by an announcement that F-35 contract was being reviewed followed by Macron announcing a surprise purchase of additional Rafale fighters. If Canada ends up with French SSNs (or even SSKs) or Rafales you heard it here first!

He only suspended them after Lutnik invited him to the White House with the rest of the Canadian delegation. And you’ll notice that since that meeting Lutnik, Rubio et al have only had respectful things to say about Canada. I think in that meeting both sides agreed to tone down the rhetoric and suspend further escalation in order to stabilize markets, while acknowledging that nobody can control the nonsense that spills out of Trump’s mouth, least of all Trump himself. That love-in still appears like it’s going to end on April 2 however. As for Quebec, unlike Ontario it is a long-term electricity exporter to US utilities , it has long-term contracts and special purpose-built infrastructure for exporting electricity. Unlike Trump they are not going to violate existing written agreements and trash their reputation as a reliable partner. Ontario OTOH is only an occasional electricity exporter mostly on the spot market where surplus electricity is bought and sold in 5-minute increments, sometimes Ontario imports from states and sometimes it selss, other times it pays those states to take surplus electricity off our grid. Those states have other sources of electricity in their mix they could pivot to, Ontario doesn’t literally “power 1.5 million homes in those states”. So US ratepayers likely wouldn’t have seen any noticeable increase from Ford even at his worst even if those states’ ultimately ended up paying slightly more for the electricity they out on their grid. Alberta needs no explanation. They’re a wannabe American petro-state Im surprised they haven’t defected to the US already.

No “moral panic”. The threat is real and proven by his own words and deeds And no “hysteria”. Urgent threats require timely measures

Correction: it was the Integrated Communications Control System (ICCS) that was copied from the Halifax class to the British Type 23. The CMS 330, while also Canadian, is a derivative of a British system used on Type 23 that was added to Halifax class as a later upgrade.

Apparently Aegis has less advanced ASW capabilities and is also less flexible and customizable than CMS330.Aegis also requires US weapons and ancillary systems while CMS has open architecture that works with other NATO nations’ technology. OTOH Aegis has proven BMD defence capabilities while CMS ability in this area has yet to be fully developed (but it is customizable open architecture so theoretically possible). Currently it seems far more likely that USA would lock us out of upgrades than the Europeans. And even though it would be operational without upgrades those upgrades could include security patches for existing vulnerabilities or defences against new threats You can’t stockpile software updates in advance or new countermeasures that haven’t been invented yet And CMS 330 is Canadian not American or European

Conservatives Crumble: Liberals surge past CPC into majority territory, but Grits’ vote commitment is softer Singh’s party down to single digits as left of centre voters stampede away from the NDP March 17, 2025 – A whirlwind first quarter of 2025 has swept up Canadian politics and tossed it back down in an unrecognizable jumble. New data from the non-profit Angus Reid Institute finds the governing Liberal Party – led by newly sworn-in Prime Minister Mark Carney – surging to a five-point vote intention advantage nationally after trailing by 29 points in late December. Were these numbers to hold, with the Liberals at 42 per cent in vote intention, what was a tired, discardable brand just three months ago would be on its way to a fourth term, this time with a majority. https://angusreid.org/federal-polling-canada-election-poilievre-prime-minister-carney-trudeau-singh-trump/

Not to mention that at the last minute we shit-canned the respected Canadian-designed CMS330 combat management system (which was so successful the British based theirs on an earlier version of it) for the US Aegis system because US interoperability was a key concern. Now there’s fear about USA having the ability to lock us out of our own warships if they wanted to. https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/u-s-system-canadas-war-ships

‘Beyond My Wildest Dreams’: The Architect of Project 2025 Is Ready for His Victory Lap A year ago, Paul Dans was chief architect of what was shaping up to be the blueprint for Donald Trump’s second term. Eight months ago, he was sent into MAGA exile. Dans was the director of Project 2025 at the Heritage Foundation when, midway through the 2024 presidential campaign, he and his program started to become a huge political liability for Trump. Democrats warned of Project 2025’s “radical” agenda, saying it would mean a ban on abortion, elimination of LGBTQ+ rights, and complete presidential power over federal agencies along with the elimination of some of them, including the Department of Education. At the Democratic National Convention, Saturday Night Live’s Kenan Thompson held up a giant-size replica of the 900-page Project 2025 bookand quipped, “You ever see a document that could kill a small animal and democracy at the same time? Here it is.” … Now Dans, who lives in Charleston, South Carolina, and works as a lawyer and government relations consultant, is letting bygones be bygones and says he’s delighted with the extent to which Project 2025 has, in fact, become the Trump administration’s playbook. This week, in his first in-depth interview since Trump returned to the presidency, Dans effectively confirmed what Democrats were saying all along and Trump himself denied: There really is almost no difference between Project 2025 and what Trump was planning all along and is now implementing. And if the White House were to call, he’d be glad to get back on the team. “It’s actually way beyond my wildest dreams,” Dans said. “It’s not going to be the easiest road to hoe going forward. The deep state is going to get its breath back. But the way that they’ve been able to move and upset the orthodoxy, and at the same time really capture the imagination of the people, I think portends a great four years.” … https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/03/16/project-2025-paul-dans-qa-00228890

So like you want me to cite the scientific evidence that mercury poisoning and breathing in coal soot is bad for human health? Otherwise you’ll claim without evidence that the nonpartisan scientific consensus that’s stood for decades is fraudulent? Note that nobody in the Trump administration even bothered to challenge the science behind most of these regulations which have stood for decades, they simply stated that they interfere with business But here is one for you that you should be able to follow America’s clean air rules boost health and the economy − here’s what EPA’s new deregulation plans ignore …What Zeldin didn’t say is that the economic and health benefits from decades of federal clean air regulations have far outweighed their costs. Some estimates suggest every $1 spent meeting clean air rules has returned $10 in health and economic benefits. How far America has come, because of regulations In the early 1970s, thick smog blanketed American cities and acid rain stripped forests bare from the Northeast to the Midwest. Air pollution wasn’t just a nuisance – it was a public health emergency. But in the decades since, the United States has engineered one of the most successful environmental turnarounds in history. Thanks to stronger air quality regulations, pollution levels have plummeted, preventing hundreds of thousands of deaths annually. And despite early predictions that these regulations would cripple the economy, the opposite has proven true: The U.S. economy more than doubled in size while pollution fell, showing that clean air and economic growth can – and do – go hand in hand. The numbers are eye-popping. An Environmental Protection Agency analysis of the first 20 years of the Clean Air Act, from 1970 to 1990, found the economic benefits of the regulations were about 42 times greater than the costs. The EPA later estimated that the cost of air quality regulations in the U.S. would be about US$65 billion in 2020, and the benefits, primarily in improved health and increased worker productivity, would be around $2 trillion. Other studies have found similar benefits. That’s a return of more than 30 to 1, making clean air one of the best investments the country has ever made. Science-based regulations even the playing field The turning point came with the passage of the Clean Air Act of 1970, which put in place strict rules on pollutants from industry, vehicles and power plants. These rules targeted key culprits: lead, ozone, sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides and particulate matter – substances that contribute to asthma, heart disease and premature deaths. An example was the removal of lead, which can harm the brain and other organs, from gasoline. That single change resulted in far lower levels of leadin people’s blood, including a 70% drop in U.S. children’s blood-lead levels. Air Quality regulations lowered the amount of lead being used in gasoline, which also resulted in rapidly declining lead concentrations in the average American between 1976-1980. This shows us how effective regulations can be at reducing public health risks to people.USEPA/Environmental Criteria and Assessment Office (1986) The results have been extraordinary. Since 1980, emissions of six major air pollutants have dropped by 78%, even as the U.S. economy has more than doubled in size. Cities that were once notorious for their thick, choking smog – such as Los Angeles, Houston and Pittsburgh – now see far cleaner air, while lakes and forests devastated by acid rain in the Northeast have rebounded. Comparison of growth areas and declining emissions, 1970-2023.EPA And most importantly, lives have been saved. The Clean Air Act requires the EPA to periodically estimate the costs and benefits of air quality regulations. In the most recent estimate, released in 2011, the EPA projected that air quality improvements would prevent over 230,000 premature deaths in 2020. That means fewer heart attacks, fewer emergency room visits for asthma, and more years of healthy life for millions of Americans. The economic payoff Critics of air quality regulations have long arguedthat the regulations are too expensive for businesses and consumers. But the data tells a very different story. EPA studies have confirmed that clean air regulations improve air quality over time. Other studies have shown that the health benefits greatly outweigh the costs. That pays off for the economy. Fewer illnesses mean lower health care costs, and healthier workers mean higher productivity and fewer missed workdays. The EPA estimated that for every $1 spent on meeting air quality regulations, the United States received $9 in benefits. A separate study by the non-partisan National Bureau of Economic Research in 2024 estimated that each $1 spent on air pollution regulation brought the U.S. economy at least $10 in benefits. And when considering the long-term impact on human health and climate stability, the return is even greater.… https://theconversation.com/americas-clean-air-rules-boost-health-and-the-economy-heres-what-epas-new-deregulation-plans-ignore-251203

This is not new it’s Trump’s America and happened more than once during his first term Trump likes to turn the border service into Gestapo Jogger who accidentally crossed U.S. border from B.C. detained for 2 weeks A visitor from France says she was jogging along the beach south of White Rock, B.C., when she crossed the U.S. border without realizing it. So began a two-week nightmare that landed her in a prison jumpsuit. Cedella Roman, 19, didn't know it at the time, but as she ran southeast along the beach on the evening of May 21, she crossed a municipal boundary — and, shortly after, an international border. … Roman was held in custody for two weeks before immigration officials on both sides of the border confirmed she was allowed back into Canada. Then she was transferred back into B.C. "It was just unfair that there was nothing, no sign at the border," said Ferne, who visited her daughter several times while she was detained. "It's like a trap … anybody can be caught at the border like this." https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4717060

So you want me to recite the 31 pieces of legislation to you as if you could understand it even though you can’t and then you want me to explain all of the complex scientific research behind that legislation as if you could understand that even though you can’t And if I don’t do that then you claim it PROVES the non-partisan pollution protections implemented over decades of Republican and Democratic administrations is unnecessary Do I have that correct? “My air and water are too clean and aren’t toxic enough!” …Said nobody ever

All sorts of car companies make EVs including here in Canada. Teslas are not made in Canada. Teslas are more expensive and harder to service and still have issues with build quality which they fully admit to. Ever ridden in one? I have. You can’t even adjust the air vent in front of you without navigating through settings on the touchscreen You can’t engage cruise control unless you also have your wipers set on auto and the wipers go off unnecessarily while driving on a humid day And the owner is a mentally unstable MAGA and a workplace tyrant who doesn’t deserve my money Hilariously, its you coal-rollin MAGAs who despised Tesla and all EVs until Elon pulled a Kanye and became a mentally unstable MAGA.

Targeted by Trump (non-exhaustive list from multiple sources): Measures requiring energy companies to replace equipment and stem leaks of methane from oil and gas wells. Requirements for greenhouse gas releases to be reported to the federal government. Wastewater pollution curbs on coal power plants. Requirements for refineries, chemical plants and other facilities to maintain risk management programs, meant to counter the risk of catastrophic accidents. Ambient air quality standards limiting fine particulate matter, including soot. …It is also considering rolling back regulations on the neurotoxin mercury coming from power plants …Zeldin announced earlier on Wednesday that he will reduce the number of waterways that would face regulation under the Clean Water Act in a move urged by the agriculture and petrochemical industries. https://www.yahoo.com/news/epa-reconsider-legal-basis-us-180117185.html

Climate change is real and are cancer, asthma, lead poisoning, mercury poisoning and whole range of other pollution-causing diseases. The only one making the economic situation difficult is your id1ot president. The MAGA cult who refuses to see reality is the only hivemind!

No nice try. They are rolling back 31 different air and water pollution laws some of which date back to the 1970s. China and India are polluted toxic shitholes where life is cheap and humans are treated as a disposable resource, are you actually advocating that we sink to their standards ?

There are better EV alternatives than tesla and its lunatic founder

Republicans are all for it, always have been. Every single republican regime rolls back pollution laws when in power and opposes pollution laws when not in power.

US protects amd subsidies its dairy industry also. And it’s all permitted under USMCA. If he wants to renegotiate that agreement there’s a mechanism for doing so without launching a trade war.

Notice her typical Republican tactic of lying and then going on the attack: After the reporter challenges her obvious nonsensical statement about tariffs she claims to be insulted and threatens to not call on that reporter again. Another example of Trump administration sinking to new lows. Not to mention they plant fake news propagandists from right wing “alternative media” in the audience to ask loaded softball questions

It will be interesting to see RFK Jr try to defend this, since he is outspoken about the effects of pollution on human health Trump officials decimate climate protections and consider axeing key greenhouse gas finding EPA takes aim at almost every major pollution rule in what environmentalists call act of ‘malice toward the planet’ …The stunning broadside of actions against pollution rules could, if upheld by the courts, reshape Americans’ environment in ways not seen since major legislation was passed in the 1970s to end an era of smoggy skies and burning rivers that became the norm following American industrialization. Pollutants from power plants, highways and industry cause a range of heart, lung and other health problems, with greenhouse gases among this pollution driving up the global temperature and fueling catastrophic heatwaves, floods, stormsand other impacts. “Zeldin’s EPA is dragging America back to the days before the Clean Air Act, when people were dying from pollution,” said Dominique Browning, director of the Moms Clean Air Force. “This is unacceptable. And shameful. We will oppose with all our hearts to protect our children from this cruel, monstrous action.” … https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/mar/12/epa-trump-climate-rules

Trump has no goal other than collecting tariff money to pay for his tax cuts. There’s nothing to negotiate. His policies will continue to destroy the US economy, Canada needs to decouple ASAP

Can’t fault you for being confused, Trump’s erratic minute-by-minute flip-flopping and policy by random whim is hard for anyone to follow which is why markets are melting down and businesses owners have no idea what to expect in the short or long term. As of this particular minute, some tariffs are paused but steel and aluminum are not and others are coming

If you truly believe that being PM is not much different than being MP then you know nothing about politics. Well denigrating public sector employees as not having “real jobs” is a conservative standard. But being a political crony your whole life is even worse than that. Earning a 6-figure salary and full pension at age 31 after only a few years on the job while claiming to be an Ottawa outsider and spokesman of the working class etc is pretty rich. I am not saying PP isnt qualified to be PM but I am saying being a backbench MP and being parliamentary secretary etc and all those other junior non-Cabinet roles is not in anyway the same as being PM. Not even close. Its asinine to suggest otherwise Carney will have the technocratic side of government down pretty well. He’s demonstrated that he has the subject matter knowledge and experience especially on finance and economics which is something JT, Trump and PP don’t have He will need to learn the political side: baby-kissing, fundraising, internal party politics, and so on But if JT could learn it so can he He also needs to work on having a personality that appeals to voters as he seems like he’s naturally an introvert and kind of uninspiring. But then again so was Harper. Hopefully Canadians can still get behind a boring-but-competent leader Then again PP has a divisive love-him-or-hate-him personality with all his constant insults and snakiness so maybe a boring and level Carney will be attractive in comparison