Marocc

Christianity is a big deal in Africa. You can't expect everyone there to be Muslim. And then there's all the traditional faiths.

Did you separate the Muslim majority countries from the rest? Madagascar is definitely a Muslim minority country. Malawi also is not a majority country.

You might in this life. It's probably not wise or accurate to say such people never had a life at all. Muslims can live lives of many kinds. Prayer is 5 times a day minimum.

There are quite a few even if you don't personally know any.

That was my first reaction when I got to know about all the incest in the Bible. Apparently it's okay though, because it wasn't considered wrong at the time.

Now that you're all thinking this is outrageous, it the perfect time to talk about yet another point: why it is effective. If someone was threatening you, and he came over and tapped you with the pencil, would you be frightened? No. Would you be hurt? No. would the wife in a hypothetical scenario be hurt physically? No. Then why do it? No robber would do it. It means nothing in that situation. But as it is in the Qur'an and it is in the hadith. It is among the guidelines for a certain situation in a marriage. Any Muslim woman whose husband would do that, can be assumed to know well what it means. How would it make the hypothetical wife feel? Most likely it would make her feel very bad. Not because of any physical aspect, but because of what the action means.

Your boss. Now that you mention it, I need you to define hit for me in this sentence. It could mean anything to you, I know. So I cannot discuss this without you separately explaining the specific definition of the word in this sentence. Mainly just children.

Nice try. We talked about that in the last pages of the locked thread.

I never said it was to correct them in my hypothetical situation. You saying he hit me would be misleading. Such a manner of correcting someone in Islam is only for family members to do. In that situation in that sense it would be unacceptable. But if I was hit with a pencil by a coworker, I'd think nothing of it. I'm not made of glass.

She must own the company. And be a bit of an ass.

If you would call the action in its whole context — including hadith — hitting, then it does permit that. There is no reason to do that as there are so many words to choose from and if none fits one can describe the act. imagine your boss at work hitting you with a pencil on your arm because you made a mistake that caused his company money. Would it be accurate to go home and say, "I made a mistake at work so my boss hit/beat me."? Or would that be likely to give the wrong impression?

I never said that. You must stop putting words in my mouth.

Because there must be a fault in it?

That doesn't need to be done. I don't see that it has anything to do with authority. https://quranx.com/tafsirs/2.282 https://quranx.com/Tafsirs/4.11 Nonsense. This kind of talk is what you never actually explain. What is the reasoning? I'm sure many many explanations can be given, but at the core of it all is that they are commandments from God. And no matter how well it were reasoned for you, if you don't want to accept it you will reject it. If it is at the back of your list of priorities, you don't need to exert yourself. No one almost ever asks me about my views. If you want something, say so. Don't expect me to run around offering you what it available and has been and will continue to be, without me offering it to you. I'm not sure you're doing that. I have little doubt that is your intention. And credible sources from credible Islamic scholars are better than anything an average practising Muslim can say, imo. Your personal opinion to it has no value.

This is a long article, but you can scroll to "the 'controversial' verse" which is about 4:34. https://yaqeeninstitute.org/tesneem-alkiek/islam-and-violence-against-women-a-critical-look-at-domestic-violence-and-honor-killings-in-the-muslim-community/

You didn't answer any of my questions. If China says there is a problem in Japan, but Japan denies it, it should be China who will explain the problem, not Japan who is required to explain why this non-problem is not a problem. You make claims without supporting them against what you don't understand and is it my fault that, after all this time, you still don't understand? Then why have you not searched it? If you really wanted to know you would have searched it. You would know the answer. Whether you would accept it or not, I don't know. But you would know what it is. I think I've taken time. You usually don't return to the topic again. What might make it difficult to understand is that you don't study about Islam. You rely at least partly – apparently – on western media to tell you about Islam and the surrounding politics. I cannot speak in such simplistic terms. Salafi this, Saudi Arabia that, terrorism, apostasy etc. These are complicated topics. I cannot put them into boxes like you do. You really don't know? https://www.islamweb.net/en/fatwa/89480/explanation-of-quranic-verse-434

No, it's not. There were so many more important points in your last post and in my response. Why do you only hold onto my notion that you don't know much about Islam when it is obviously true? Why not explain the strange idea you have of division in religious countries and devision in Western countries? You make it sound like there is no division in western countries. Here's the reason I say you don't know enough. You make claims, but I think you cannot explain them because you haven't thought them through. You can't think them through when they involve Islam and you don't understand exactly how they involve Islam. The claims you make are not small. They are significant. Would you really turn the whole world upside down if you could, without thinking it through? Yes, but also not at all. Definitely not an excuse to not define things you see as a problem before pointing them out. A good example of that you don't know enough about Islam. First I thought you mean individual prophets. Apparently you don't and I'm confused. Why would you think that? Shia? God doesn't harm people. Making laws yourself to replace God's law and saying they are from God is harmful. Can we not assume God could not have commanded anyone to do so? This is not God commanding different things. This is people doing different things. If someone breaks the law in the west do you say the law in the west has commanded that person to break that law? I suggest you search words such as "do Muslims believe they are the chosen people". I've never heard of anyone religious saying their religion cannot be criticized. On the other hand, your criticism doesn't have to be accepted as valid.

As stated in the Qur'an. Asserting means nothing. It's the following of God's commands that is important foremost. Who are you referring to? Christians in the world is an extremely vague term. Western society by no means follows God's law, generally speaking, if the general public does not follow God's law, isn't that so? It isn't entirely clear what you're referring to, but to follow Islam, it doesn't suffice to say one follows it. I am under the impression your knowledge of Islam isn't sufficient enough for you to make that statement. I imagine this is a generalisation. I think I've said it many times already, but not all the laws applied in Muslim majority countries are applied according to Islam. You cannot –and it certainly isn't fair to do so – define Islam by peoples. It is as though you assume God is like a man, thinks like a man, needs what a man needs and feels like a man feels. Islam has strict rules on how an individual is to behave in society, regarding the things mentioned above. In Western society it is a rule that people are divided, that they judge, criticize and condemn others in just about anything and everything. Does it often have to do with religion – or a religious background? You want religious countries to apply the same laws as secular countries so that the division would be slightly different? Surely you don't claim it would do away with division? Surely you don't think there is more division in religious countries than in secular countries? If you do I'd like to hear why. This is not something Islam brings into society. You don't know what Islam commands. I would not say it supports any beliefs. The word support sounds out of place.

That wasn't a personal attack. It was an observation.

Initially, Islam doesn't change. The last message was the final message. There will be no other new message until the Day of Judgment. That is the way the Qur'an and the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (Sallaa lahu alayhi wa sallam) have been understood. I don't think there is such a punishment as drowning in Islam. Correct me if I'm wrong. Hopefully, the Muslims will never change the law given by God like the Jews and the Christians did.

Are you a supporter of the president of Turkey? I haven't seen you say anything about Turkey itself. What is happening is Turkey. I'm wondering where are your interests.

Where does it say that? It's amazing how lying can fulfill some people's lives. It's like spending your life digging your own grave.

I never said anything about that.

I don't know what that is, but I wonder if the police is interested and goes around tearing the Shahada out of them. I very much doubt it.

You really really want them to be.